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China's campaign against Nobel seen as backfiring

ludahai

ludahai

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BEIJING – China's relentless criticism of the bestowing of the Nobel Peace Prize on imprisoned Chinese dissident writer Liu Xiaobo showed signs of backfiring Thursday, as criticism of Beijing rose a day ahead of the award ceremony.

Beijing's high-pressure tactics and campaign of vilification have ensured a wave of publicity for Liu, a bookish 54-year-old democracy activist who was formerly all but unknown even inside China.
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How many people would even be interested in this presentation tomorrow but for Chinese pressure. Their government is putting MORE light on the Nobel Prize and Liu Hsiao po than anything be ever did.

Many Western governments are appalled and Serbia's joining of a boycott of the ceremony may well further hurt its EU aspirations. The Philippines, which also sponsors a Human Rights prize, has also come under fire for stating it will not attend the ceremony.

And the "Confucius Prize" is just a cynical creation... I wonder if Lien Chan will be there to accept it... if he does, that will create some backlash here in Taiwan and put the KMT-government here in a difficult position because Lien is the honorary KMT-chairmain, but the government here has been outspoken in its support for Liu.

Interesting happenings over this... stay tuned...
 
ludahai said:
Does it matter? This is about China's barbarism, not Taiwan's partisan politics...
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DPP huh!

Yes, the CCP is barbaric. China has seen much barbarism for a very long time. The game the PRC is playing is quite obvious to any one paying attention. The Chinese are playing a very long game. Since the fall of the Gang of Four the PRC has been blessed with cautious leaders. This will not always be the case.

We in the West had a choice to make about China on whether it should be permitted to rise and prosper or whether it should be undermined. If China was allowed to rise and prosper it might turn out to moderate its behavior as its people grew wealthier and demanded liberty.

But there was a risk that if China was allowed to rise and prosper without restraint it might become a wealthy authoritarian state. America and the West chose to believe that China would grow prosperous, moderate, and become a stakeholder in the international system.

China has risen and it is now obvious that China has become a prosperous authoritarian state. The West chose poorly.

Chinese foreign and defense policies are becoming progressively more aggressive.
 
Albert Di Salvo said:
DPP huh!

Yes, the CCP is barbaric. China has seen much barbarism for a very long time. The game the PRC is playing is quite obvious to any one paying attention. The Chinese are playing a very long game. Since the fall of the Gang of Four the PRC has been blessed with cautious leaders. This will not always be the case.

We in the West had a choice to make about China on whether it should be permitted to rise and prosper or whether it should be undermined. If China was allowed to rise and prosper it might turn out to moderate its behavior as its people grew wealthier and demanded liberty.

But there was a risk that if China was allowed to rise and prosper without restraint it might become a wealthy authoritarian state. America and the West chose to believe that China would grow prosperous, moderate, and become a stakeholder in the international system.

China has risen and it is now obvious that China has become a prosperous authoritarian state. The West chose poorly.

Chinese foreign and defense policies are becoming progressively more aggressive.
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Yes, I am DPP. Still don't see the relevance as it pertains to this thread. Even most KMT people here think this is all a pretty silly comedy on the part of the PRC. Even pro-Lien people think this is comical at best. Loved reading about it in the local Chinese-language dailies this morning... truly comical...

I have been saying this for more than a decade and most have ignored it... I hate to say this to people, but I TOLD YOU SO!!!!
 
Does this award really mean anything anymore anyway?

Al Gore got one over a hoax.

C'mon.
 
ludahai said:
Yes, I am DPP. Still don't see the relevance as it pertains to this thread. Even most KMT people here think this is all a pretty silly comedy on the part of the PRC. Even pro-Lien people think this is comical at best. Loved reading about it in the local Chinese-language dailies this morning... truly comical...

I have been saying this for more than a decade and most have ignored it... I hate to say this to people, but I TOLD YOU SO!!!!
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The KMT betrayed Taiwan imo by delaying arms purchases for so many years. Now it's basically too late to arm up. This was foreseeable.
 
Albert Di Salvo said:
The KMT betrayed Taiwan imo by delaying arms purchases for so many years. Now it's basically too late to arm up. This was foreseeable.
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Don't even get me STARTED on this hypocritical, KMT traitors... just makes my blood boil... Bush was ready to see Taiwan most of what it was asking for six years ago!!! ARGH!!!
 
It seems that the people of Taiwan are as divided in some ways as are Americans. The KMT people seem to think that they will have a role after reunification should that occur. The DPP people want to maintain a unique Taiwanese existence and identity. There really is no middle ground on which to unite the Taiwanese people.

The status quo will not be maintained. Taiwanese-Chinese economic integration will only increase as time passes. Contact will increase. Meanwhile, America will grow weaker and remain divided.
 
Albert Di Salvo said:
It seems that the people of Taiwan are as divided in some ways as are Americans. The KMT people seem to think that they will have a role after reunification should that occur. The DPP people want to maintain a unique Taiwanese existence and identity. There really is no middle ground on which to unite the Taiwanese people.

The status quo will not be maintained. Taiwanese-Chinese economic integration will only increase as time passes. Contact will increase. Meanwhile, America will grow weaker and remain divided.
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You don't know much about Taiwan's body politic. Most moderate Blues do NOT want political integration with China. That is a pipe dream help only by the most radical of Blues, most of whom are elderly and came from China in 1949 as refugees.

What status quo? It has been moving and shifting... the notion that it has been static is a myth. The population in Taiwan takes for granted that Taiwan is NOT part of China. The notion that it is and that it will willingly unify with China is a commonly held myth. It simply will not happen without a fight...
 
ludahai said:
You don't know much about Taiwan's body politic. Most moderate Blues do NOT want political integration with China. That is a pipe dream help only by the most radical of Blues, most of whom are elderly and came from China in 1949 as refugees.

What status quo? It has been moving and shifting... the notion that it has been static is a myth. The population in Taiwan takes for granted that Taiwan is NOT part of China. The notion that it is and that it will willingly unify with China is a commonly held myth. It simply will not happen without a fight...
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The PLA now thinks it has the ability to completely seize Taiwan in three days. America won't be able to act in time because China's new weapons will deny access to American carrier battle groups. Imo if Taiwan wants to be free it must itself be able to deter China. There is only one way in which Taiwan can deter China.
 
Albert Di Salvo said:
The PLA now thinks it has the ability to completely seize Taiwan in three days. America won't be able to act in time because China's new weapons will deny access to American carrier battle groups. Imo if Taiwan wants to be free it must itself be able to deter China. There is only one way in which Taiwan can deter China.
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The PLA does not have the capability to seize Taiwan in three days. They would have to ferry large numbers of troops across the Taiwan Strait for that to happen, and that would not be as easy as they imagine... Taiwan has developed missiles that can act as a deterrant. Taiwan looked at developing a nuclear deterrant in the 70s, but the U.S. squashed it.. just before changing diploamtic relations to Beiping under the Carter administration... Taiwan has a much stronger defensive deterrant than many think, though it would help if Obama would open up the way to the fighter jet purchases Taiwan has requested...
 
ludahai said:
The PLA does not have the capability to seize Taiwan in three days. They would have to ferry large numbers of troops across the Taiwan Strait for that to happen, and that would not be as easy as they imagine... Taiwan has developed missiles that can act as a deterrant. Taiwan looked at developing a nuclear deterrant in the 70s, but the U.S. squashed it.. just before changing diploamtic relations to Beiping under the Carter administration... Taiwan has a much stronger defensive deterrant than many think, though it would help if Obama would open up the way to the fighter jet purchases Taiwan has requested...
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Whether the PLA can seize Taiwan in three days is uncertain, except in the minds of the PLA.

The PLA has expanded its amphibious forces, and has been observed practicing airborne tactics in Tibet.

America should not have prevented Taiwan's acquisition of nuclear weapons because those are the only weapons that can deter Beijing.
 
ludahai said:
The PLA does not have the capability to seize Taiwan in three days. They would have to ferry large numbers of troops across the Taiwan Strait for that to happen, and that would not be as easy as they imagine... Taiwan has developed missiles that can act as a deterrant. Taiwan looked at developing a nuclear deterrant in the 70s, but the U.S. squashed it.. just before changing diploamtic relations to Beiping under the Carter administration... Taiwan has a much stronger defensive deterrant than many think, though it would help if Obama would open up the way to the fighter jet purchases Taiwan has requested...
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Weird, our allies one day, we treat like enemies the next. Our government is ****ing retarded. :/
 
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