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Berkeley Mulls Resolution to Honor Army Private Accused of Leaks

Erod said:
He deserves a proper firing squad, and it's coming.
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Doubtful. The maximum sentence for his current charges would be 52 years in prison. Sorry to disappoint you, there will be zero blood forthcoming.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
I have to agree with you on this one, I see a long prison term in his future, and a justified one, at that.
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There's a part of me, after all of our discussions here on the board, that thinks we ought to thank this guy for exposing what a joke our SPIRNet system is. We're just lucky that's all he took.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
Doubtful. The maximum sentence for his current charges would be 52 years in prison. Sorry to disappoint you, there will be zero blood forthcoming.
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That's if he sees an American courtroom. There are other places to take him. China?
 
MaggieD said:
There's a part of me, after all of our discussions here on the board, that thinks we ought to thank this guy for exposing what a joke our SPIRNet system is. We're just lucky that's all he took.
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But do we know that's all he took yet?
 
MaggieD said:
There's a part of me, after all of our discussions here on the board, that thinks we ought to thank this guy for exposing what a joke our SPIRNet system is. We're just lucky that's all he took.
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That's exactly how I feel. Our exposure could have been so much worse.
 
Erod said:
That's if he sees an American courtroom. There are other places to take him. China?
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Exactly why would we try Private Benning, a U.S. army soldier, in China?

Feel free to explain yourself.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
Exactly why would we try Private Benning, a U.S. army soldier, in China?

Feel free to explain yourself.
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If you go back, I was referring to a post about Assange, not Benning.
 
Erod said:
If you go back, I was referring to a post about Assange, not Benning.
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How exactly do you propose that we try Assange for treason, when HE ISN'T A U.S. CITIZEN?

Your posts here make you look ridiculously unaware of the topic of discussion.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
How exactly do you propose that we try Assange for treason, when HE ISN'T A U.S. CITIZEN?

Your posts here make you look ridiculously unaware of the topic of discussion.
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I never said he should be tried for treason. Benning is the spy in this; Assange is his foreign accomplice and an enemy combatant of the US.

He's Manuel Noriega to us. He should be handled accordingly.
 
Erod said:
Assange is his foreign accomplice and an enemy combatant of the US.

He's Manuel Noriega to us. He should be handled accordingly.
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Assange is an enemy combatant? Do you read what you post? LOL.
 
Erod said:
What would you call a guy who is publishing stolen cables harmful to United States interests?
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A publisher.

Do you want newspapers to stop writing articles critical of decisions made by the Obama administration?
 
Redress said:
Nice straw man. We should not honor spies, I have not said we should honor spies. I have not implied we should honor spies. In point of fact, nothing I posted had anything to do with Manning, only with the kind of people who try and make something which is not partisan into something which is.
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Berkley is considering honoring the man. That makes this pretty damn partisan. :mrgreen:
 
Catz Part Deux said:
A publisher.

Do you want newspapers to stop writing articles critical of decisions made by the Obama administration?
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So publishing a cable where we name our own strategic targets is akin to finding corruption in the banking industry?

And publishing cables where one of our public officials makes a private comment that might insult -or worse - a foreign diplomat or leader is productive as a piece of journalism exactly how?

This is basically a TMZ organization, except it plays with international affairs and relationships, not Hollywood celebrities.
 
Erod said:
FoxNews.com - California Town Mulls Resolution to Honor Army Private Accused of Passing Secret Info to WikiLeaks



Ah yes, the liberals just love a good America hater.

How long until the first Julian Assange statue is erected in front of the town hall at Berkley?

Libs now have their new superheroes. I'm sure it's just killing Obama and Holder to have to prosecute this guy. He is, after all, everything they aspire to be.

And now, the Debate Politics cast of liberals are up next to attack me, too! Grab some popcorn.
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Didn't read the whole thread, but there is NO WAY in hell this low level private is responsible for all these leaks. Why is no one asking that question in the media? Am I missing something?


Tim-
 
Dutch said:
Berkley is considering honoring the man. That makes this pretty damn partisan. :mrgreen:
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No, actually it doesn't. Not in any way in fact.
 
Erod said:
So publishing a cable where we name our own strategic targets is akin to finding corruption in the banking industry?
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Do you know the difference between classified information and top secret information, Erod?

And publishing cables where one of our public officials makes a private comment that might insult -or worse - a foreign diplomat or leader is productive as a piece of journalism exactly how?
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Robert Gates:

Now, I’ve heard the impact of these releases on our foreign policy described as a meltdown, as a game-changer, and so on. I think -- I think those descriptions are fairly significantly overwrought. The fact is, governments deal with the United States because it’s in their interest, not because they like us, not because they trust us, and not because they believe we can keep secrets.

Many governments -- some governments deal with us because they fear us, some because they respect us, most because they need us. We are still essentially, as has been said before, the indispensable nation. So other nations will continue to deal with us. They will continue to work with us. We will continue to share sensitive information with one another. Is this embarrassing? Yes. Is it awkward? Yes. Consequences for U.S. foreign policy? I think fairly modest.
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It's really a question of who I trust more to ascertain the risks of these leaks...

The Secretary of Defense who has worked in the field for 30+ years?

Or, some overwrought anonymous partisan shills on a message board?

I think I'm going to go with Sec Def, and his assessment of the situation. But, thanks for playing.

This is basically a TMZ organization, except it plays with international affairs and relationships, not Hollywood celebrities.
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So, you don't want to know that Dyncorp used tax dollars to purchase little boys for sexual purposes for Afghani officials?

US embassy cables: Afghan government asks US to quash 'dancing boys' scandal | World news | guardian.co.uk
 
Disgusting, only in Berkley. Let's honor a treasonous coward as a hero. Simply atrocious.
 
I certainly hope that the mainstream left is outraged by this.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
Do you know the difference between classified information and top secret information, Erod?
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You can do better than this Catz. You totally fail in this post to counter Erod. I know how they are the same: they both are not allowed to be freely disseminated.



Robert Gates:



It's really a question of who I trust more to ascertain the risks of these leaks...

The Secretary of Defense who has worked in the field for 30+ years?

Or, some overwrought anonymous partisan shills on a message board?

I think I'm going to go with Sec Def, and his assessment of the situation. But, thanks for playing.
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First, you failed entirely to address what Erod said and built another straw man. In point of fact, the quote you post actually helps Erod's case. Erod said it was unproductive to post the info, and Gates admits it does not help the US.


So, you don't want to know that Dyncorp used tax dollars to purchase little boys for sexual purposes for Afghani officials?

US embassy cables: Afghan government asks US to quash 'dancing boys' scandal | World news | guardian.co.uk
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And you once again make Erod's point in pointing out a TMZ type situation. You almost seem as if you intended to fail in this post Catz. You normally do much better.
 
mpg said:
I certainly hope that the mainstream left is outraged by this.
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Nope. Most of them are championing it.

However, I also think it is dividing liberals, too. And that is a good thing, much like the DADT is dividing Republicans. Both are healthy in that regard.
 
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Redress said:
they both are not allowed to be freely disseminated.
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The difference is that sharing classified material is not generally seen as an act of espionage. That's not true for top secret materials. Do you understand that government/elected officials leak classified materials ALL THE DAMN TIME, on an almost daily basis, to further their goals? Do you understand that there are over 1 million Americans (plus foreign contractors and nationals) who have access to classified material on an almost daily basis?

If this classified material were actually as detrimental to our wellbeing as you'd like to claim, it would have been classified as top secret, and PRIVATE BENNING WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO ACCESS IT.

Please stop misrepresenting what was actually leaked as if it truly endangers people's lives.

The information about possible targets is readily accessible utilizing a google search and a little common sense.

In point of fact, the quote you post actually helps Erod's case. Erod said it was unproductive to post the info, and Gates admits it does not help the US.
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Did you actually read the quote from Gates? Is this situation embarrassing? sure. Is it as detrimental as Erod wishes to claim (warranting execution by firing squad)? Hell no. And, that's exactly what Gates said.

And you once again make Erod's point in pointing out a TMZ type situation.
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Really. It's celebrity gossip to address the fact that taxpayer dollars went to pay for child prostitution for Afghani diplomats through Dyncorp?

I'm sorry, but I think you've lost all perspective here. If there is a leak that is on par with the Pentagon Papers, that's it.
 
Erod said:
Nope. Most of them are championing it.

However, I also think it is dividing liberals, too. And that is a good thing, much like the DADT is dividing Republicans. Both are healthy in that regard.
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Really. You mean Nancy Pelosi and Barak Obama are applauding?

Seriously, Erod. Do you even read what you post, or think about it?
 
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