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Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

Erod said:
And it has never been denied to anyone. Walk into a hospital anywhere, whoever you are, and you will be treated.
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And our system costs a tremendous amount more with not as good of results.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Greater risk? How can they be at greater risk? They're in a freaking war for gods sakes. How much "greater risk" can they be in? Do you really think that jihadists needed more of a reason to attack our troops?
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You don't read do you. My link explains how it works. Give it a read and then let me know if you are still confused.

Also how can he be a traitor if he has no obligation or duty to the US to begin with?

For your viewing pleasure - Merriam Websters defination of traitor
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Your right, my bad. Manning, or whatever his name is needs to hang as a traitor, Assuage, needs a bullet in his head as an enemy of the state, who is providing the enemy with information that puts our troops at greater risk than they already are.
 
winston53660 said:
And our system costs a tremendous amount more with not as good of results.
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LOL, ridiculous.

Other than the six-month-plus waits for badly needed surgeries that send Canadians over the borders to get those procedures done here.
 
winston53660 said:
And our system costs a tremendous amount more with not as good of results.
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SSSSShhhhh the consensus among smart people (talking heads on fox news) is that America has the best healthcare system in the world.

Unfortunately, only if you can afford it. Which all of them can :)

See how it all works lol
 
spud_meister said:
Right...

So what your article states is there might be something in there that may be used against the troops, but no-one knows for certain, realy convicing arguument you got there. :roll:
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How about you keep reading instead of cherry picking. Tell me are you an assuage fan or something?


That ****stain, without regard to my brothers and sisters in harms way, released this information in an attempt to "Get" the US as he so wanted to do.


I hope he's found dead in a back alley somewhere.
 
Erod said:
And it has never been denied to anyone. Walk into a hospital anywhere, whoever you are, and you will be treated.
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Hey I love my country and I hate this latest HCR crap we've got going on. But even I'm not niave enough to say this. While what you say is partially true it is not the full truth. If a person needs a heart transplant that person had better have the coverage/money to get it, otherwise they will not get it...no matter what hospital they enter.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
This thread is not about healthcare. It's about Wikileaks.
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It's become a liberal coronation of the latest action heroes, Captain Julian and his Mighty Mutant Wikileakers.
 
Erod said:
It's become a liberal coronation of the latest action heroes, Captain Julian and his Mighty Mutant Wikileakers.
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worf-facepalm.jpg
 
Erod said:
It's become a liberal coronation of the latest action heroes, Captain Julian and his Mighty Mutant Wikileakers.
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So, Erod, what you're saying is that you don't believe the American public is entitled to know about the work that our government is doing on our behalf? That's interesting, because I thought you were in favor of greater governmental accountability.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
So, Erod, what you're saying is that you don't believe the American public is entitled to know about the work that our government is doing on our behalf? That's interesting, because I thought you were in favor of greater governmental accountability.
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Not if it puts troops lives at risks in ways we can't prove :2razz:
 
Erod said:
I understand it implicitly, and I've recognized it's subversion into the American way of life more and more throughout my lifetime.

I also understand that you've got you a new superhero, and his name is Captain Julian.

LOL
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Apparently you don't understand since you have yet to prove that you do. All you do is keep coming back trying to shove the responsibility of explaining it to someone else or saying crap like who my supposed hero is.

Anyways you have shown that you are just spouting the normal tripe used against someone that isn't liked.

Have a nice day.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Hey I love my country and I hate this latest HCR crap we've got going on. But even I'm not niave enough to say this. While what you say is partially true it is not the full truth. If a person needs a heart transplant that person had better have the coverage/money to get it, otherwise they will not get it...no matter what hospital they enter.
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Actually heart transplants are covered under medicare. First one must go on full disability and be on it for two years then medicare kicks in.

I know this because I happen to be in this position.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
You don't read do you. My link explains how it works. Give it a read and then let me know if you are still confused.
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Ok read it. All that I saw in it is supposition. As already stated they also don't know everything that was released..how can they make any definative statement as they have in that article without knowing the extent of what was released? Sounds to me like grandstanding more than anything else. Oh and trying to cover their backsides if anything were to go horribly wrong.



ReverendHellh0und said:
Your right, my bad. Manning, or whatever his name is needs to hang as a traitor, Assuage, needs a bullet in his head as an enemy of the state, who is providing the enemy with information that puts our troops at greater risk than they already are.
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I'll agree with you on Manning. He did betray the US. As far as Assaunge goes..nope won't agree. IMO it is societies duty to make sure our government is transparent. As lies and hidden truths will inevitably end badly. Yeah it might be a pipe dream of mine. But at least I'm standing up for truth instead of lies.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Ok read it. All that I saw in it is supposition. As already stated they also don't know everything that was released..how can they make any definative statement as they have in that article without knowing the extent of what was released? Sounds to me like grandstanding more than anything else. Oh and trying to cover their backsides if anything were to go horribly wrong.





I'll agree with you on Manning. He did betray the US. As far as Assaunge goes..nope won't agree. IMO it is societies duty to make sure our government is transparent. As lies and hidden truths will inevitably end badly. Yeah it might be a pipe dream of mine. But at least I'm standing up for truth instead of lies.
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wait, so we should be notified of all the locations of our troops, and thier weapons capabilities? really?
 
Kal'Stang said:
Apparently you don't understand since you have yet to prove that you do. All you do is keep coming back trying to shove the responsibility of explaining it to someone else or saying crap like who my supposed hero is.

Anyways you have shown that you are just spouting the normal tripe used against someone that isn't liked.

Have a nice day.
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I do understand it, but I've been having this same argument for 30 years with people who are so in love with verbal masturbation, they can't (or refuse to) understand the simplest, most patently obvious truths about government, economics, etc, that is no longer is worth the effort.

There are a million ways to wrap language around a "definition" of socialism. You can recite Webster, or you can get a politically convenient twist of it from Huffington or Media Matters folks.

But simply put, it's the idea that government knows better than people about what's best for them. There's your fifth-grade definition, and in fact, the most ACCURATE one.
 
winston53660 said:
Actually heart transplants are covered under medicare. First one must go on full disability and be on it for two years then medicare kicks in.

I know this because I happen to be in this position.
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Medicare is a type of coverage. I'm talking about joe blow down the street that has no form of coverage and is not helped by anyone.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Medicare is a type of coverage. I'm talking about joe blow down the street that has no form of coverage and is not helped by anyone.
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And you act like there' a big box of hearts just waiting to be used. That's a far more complicated issue, and in fact, there are many people out there with no coverage that have received a heart, I'm sure.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
wait, so we should be notified of all the locations of our troops, and thier weapons capabilities? really?
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I will admit that as with anything there are limits and this would be one of em. But those limits are very far and few inbetween. But as far as I know Assaunge has not released any of this type of information. The information that has been released is that which is already known (in a general sense), easy to figure out for oneself, or of past incidents which makes the US look bad. I've yet to see any information released that shows our troop locations...at least nothing that wasn't already known.

As far as weapons capabilities? If it's being used and the enemy has felt the effects of it then they already know what the capabilities are.
 
Erod said:
I do understand it, but I've been having this same argument for 30 years with people who are so in love with verbal masturbation, they can't (or refuse to) understand the simplest, most patently obvious truths about government, economics, etc, that is no longer is worth the effort.

There are a million ways to wrap language around a "definition" of socialism. You can recite Webster, or you can get a politically convenient twist of it from Huffington or Media Matters folks.

But simply put, it's the idea that government knows better than people about what's best for them. There's your fifth-grade definition, and in fact, the most ACCURATE one.
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Thank you for showing that you have no idea what socialism is. And obviously it won't matter what I say socialsim actually is since you apparently don't care to educate yourself on the subject matter. As shown in your post..the part which I have bolded.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Medicare is a type of coverage. I'm talking about joe blow down the street that has no form of coverage and is not helped by anyone.
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I am talking about the average Joe. First one goes to the ER. Gets diagnosed with something like isolated left ventricular non-compaction. The situation is then stabilized. As the situation/condition progresses one applies for disability from the government and if the medical conditions warrant one gets full disability. At that point everything is covered under medicaid after two years medicare kicks in.
 
Erod said:
And you act like there' a big box of hearts just waiting to be used. That's a far more complicated issue, and in fact, there are many people out there with no coverage that have received a heart, I'm sure.
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Where have I stated (or acted) that there's a "big box of hearts just waiting to be used"?

Facts are facts. All I have to do is show ONE person that did not recieve a heart due to no coverage and your whole arguement is out the door. Shall we continue?
 
winston53660 said:
I am talking about the average Joe. First one goes to the ER. Gets diagnosed with something like isolated left ventricular non-compaction. The situation is then stabilized. As the situation/condition progresses one applies for disability from the government and if the medical conditions warrant one gets full disability. At that point everything is covered under medicaid after two years medicare kicks in.
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This is a case of having the time to get the coverage. In either case he was covered before he absolutely needed that heart transplant. What would have happened had he not had the time to get that coverage?
 
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