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Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

j-mac said:
And only a fellow socialist would see that rolling out your anarchist, chaos causing website to fellow traveling socialists as something positive for the world, considering that Socialism, and Communism are responsible for Millions of deaths throughout history.....


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*looks at media reports.* *looks around my town* Nope, no chaos there. So where's the chaos again?
 
Erod said:
Why would they release a secret list of critical military and strategic United States targets?
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None of those sites was not anything that someone else with a brain couldn't figure out. Hell I figured some of them out without even trying long before wikileaks was even founded. (started thinking about it after 9/11 so that I could be prepared for a worse case scenario)
 
Kal'Stang said:
*looks at media reports.* *looks around my town* Nope, no chaos there. So where's the chaos again?
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The kids are out playing at the play ground right now and it sounds pretty chaotic right now.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Well if Assange is the poster boy of the left. This can be your one.

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See how that works?

There's still time to become a reasonable human being with reasonable opinions Erod.
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My reason's in check. I suggest you enjoy your beloved socialism and just ignore me.
 
Erod said:
My reason's in check. I suggest you enjoy your beloved socialism and just ignore me.
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One has to ask...do you know what socialism actually is? Or are you just spouting the normal fearmongering tripe that we often see against someone that isn't liked?
 
SE102 said:
This gets funnier every time i hear a conservative hoping for his rape and execution! Haha! [/s]
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your right, it's funny that we would wish a d00d who released information that puts our troops at greater risk, dead as a traitor... Hahahahaha!!! :roll:
 
Kal'Stang said:
One has to ask...do you know what socialism actually is? Or are you just spouting the normal fearmongering tripe that we often see against someone that isn't liked?
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Ask Jet. He's pretty proud of his country's socialism, and defends it to its core.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
your right, it's funny that we would wish a d00d who released information that puts our troops at greater risk, dead as a traitor... Hahahahaha!!! :roll:
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Funny thing is, there's not a dime's bit of difference between Assaunge and those on the far left in Congress. Wouldn't you agree?

I'm surprised it took so little time for America's left to jump to this guy's defense. They're giddy with his leaks.
 
Erod said:
Ask Jet. He's pretty proud of his country's socialism, and defends it to its core.
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So. You sign up for an insurance company. Everyone pays in, and when you get sick, the company then grants you healthcare = Not socialism.

So. You sign up for government healthcare. Everyone pays in via taxes, and whe you get sick, the government grants you healthcare = Socialism

Something is a bit off here.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
your right, it's funny that we would wish a d00d who released information that puts our troops at greater risk, dead as a traitor... Hahahahaha!!! :roll:
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Greater risk? How can they be at greater risk? They're in a freaking war for gods sakes. How much "greater risk" can they be in? Do you really think that jihadists needed more of a reason to attack our troops?

Also how can he be a traitor if he has no obligation or duty to the US to begin with?

For your viewing pleasure - Merriam Websters defination of traitor

Definition of TRAITOR
1: one who betrays another's trust or is false to an obligation or duty
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Jetboogieman said:
So. You sign up for an insurance company. Everyone pays in, and when you get sick, the company then grants you healthcare = Not socialism.

So. You sign up for government healthcare. Everyone pays in via taxes, and whe you get sick, the government grants you healthcare = Socialism

Something is a bit off here.
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The first one was my choice, and driving a car is a privilege, not a right. And it has a legal purpose to make sure I can be ACCOUNTABLE for damaging another person's private property.

The second one is forced upon me by the state without my consent.

HUGE difference.
 
Erod said:
The first one was my choice, and driving a car is a privilege, not a right. And it has a legal purpose to make sure I can be ACCOUNTABLE for damaging another person's private property.

The second one is forced upon me by the state without my consent.

HUGE difference.
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I don't have to take government healthcare in Canada...
 
Erod said:
The first one was my choice, and driving a car is a privilege, not a right. And it has a legal purpose to make sure I can be ACCOUNTABLE for damaging another person's private property.

The second one is forced upon me by the state without my consent.

HUGE difference.
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Health care is neither a privilege nor a right it is a necessity.
 
Erod said:
Funny thing is, there's not a dime's bit of difference between Assaunge and those on the far left in Congress. Wouldn't you agree?

I'm surprised it took so little time for America's left to jump to this guy's defense. They're giddy with his leaks.
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More partisan bs. Don't you ever get tired of it? The whole arguement for/against Assaunge has nothing to do with either party.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
We call it OPSEC, he's given the enemy plenty of info to which to use to base tactics against us.
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Defense Secretary Robert Gates:

SEC. GATES: First of all, I would say unlike the Pentagon Papers, one of the things that is important, I think, in all of these releases, whether it’s Afghanistan, Iraq or the releases this week, is the lack of any significant difference between what the U.S. government says publicly and what these things show privately, whereas the Pentagon Papers showed that many in the government were not only lying to the American people, they were lying to themselves.

But let me – let me just offer some perspective as somebody who’s been at this a long time. Every other government in the world knows the United States government leaks like a sieve, and it has for a long time. And I dragged this up the other day when I was looking at some of these prospective releases. And this is a quote from John Adams: “How can a government go on, publishing all of their negotiations with foreign nations, I know not. To me, it appears as dangerous and pernicious as it is novel.”

When we went to real congressional oversight of intelligence in the mid-’70s, there was a broad view that no other foreign intelligence service would ever share information with us again if we were going to share it all with the Congress. Those fears all proved unfounded.

Now, I’ve heard the impact of these releases on our foreign policy described as a meltdown, as a game-changer, and so on. I think – I think those descriptions are fairly significantly overwrought. The fact is, governments deal with the United States because it’s in their interest, not because they like us, not because they trust us, and not because they believe we can keep secrets.

Many governments – some governments deal with us because they fear us, some because they respect us, most because they need us. We are still essentially, as has been said before, the indispensable nation. So other nations will continue to deal with us. They will continue to work with us. We will continue to share sensitive information with one another.

Is this embarrassing? Yes. Is it awkward? Yes. Consequences for U.S. foreign policy? I think fairly modest.
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Let's stop with the hyperbole.

Do I agree with all of the information that has been released by Assange? NO. Leaving names on sources in A-stan was irresponsible.

However, having said that, we need to stop overreacting here.

My concern, in all of this, is that there is a fine line between classifying materials and reports to protect our armed forces, and classifying an inordinate amount of information about how our government works, to the point that we are hiding crucial information from the citizens of this country. We are at a point now when so much of what is being done is being classified that it is making it impossible for the average American to make reasonable judgements about the people in positions of power. And, that is NOT GOOD.

We are well over the line into a level of secrecy that has the potential to do our country real damage. Nothing that has been released by Assange is going to make the world fall down around our ears, and we need to stop pretending that he's actually endangered us. He hasn't.

It's far more dangerous to have a government that has lost its accountability to its citizens, and that's far closer to where I think we've found ourselves at this point in history.

Our policies on classified material, frankly, need to be rewritten with the goal of creating greater transparency and accountability in government. This is a gift at a time when it is drastically needed, and we should look at it in that light.

That's my opinion, anyway.
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
Your kidding right?


Defense.gov News Article: Press Secretary Calls WikiLeaks Release Shameful



We call it OPSEC, he's given the enemy plenty of info to which to use to base tactics against us.


He should be shot in the head.
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Right...
The department does not yet know in detail what Wikileaks has published, but officials say they expect the same sort of documents the organization put on the Internet in July about the conflict in Afghan. WikiLeaks posted 77,000 documents from the Afghan database online in that breach of national security.
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So what your article states is there might be something in there that may be used against the troops, but no-one knows for certain, realy convicing arguument you got there. :roll:
 
winston53660 said:
Health care is neither a privilege nor a right it is a necessity.
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And it has never been denied to anyone. Walk into a hospital anywhere, whoever you are, and you will be treated.
 
Kal'Stang said:
I'll take that as a "no idea what socialism is".
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I understand it implicitly, and I've recognized it's subversion into the American way of life more and more throughout my lifetime.

I also understand that you've got you a new superhero, and his name is Captain Julian.

LOL
 
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