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Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

Apocalypse said:
I believe he's still a suspect, and I believe that he might not have acted alone, and I believe that you should really stop acting like a judge and declare what happened and what didn't happen as it damages the credibility of your claims.
The Wikileaks organization might have ordered or asked the person/s who has/have stolen the files to commit the theft, that needs to be investigated as we do not know that yet.
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Oh, good grief. If we had a shard of evidence that he was involved, we'd already have issued a warrant and snatched him. Did you know that the British police knew his whereabouts the entire time?
 
Redress said:
That is why I said it was not exact. Imagine though that he contacted embassy personal away from the embassy.
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Speaking of wild speculation. There is little sugests that Assange did ANYTHING besides publishing the already leaked reports & cables. Ockham's razor, y'all.
 
Apocalypse said:
Aye, but what's left to check is whether or not the Wikileaks organization was involved in the stealing of the information.
You cannot simply declare that it did and you cannot simply declare that it did not, as you weren't observing the event of stealing and you are not aware of the facts that regard to Wikileaks' involvement.
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Wikileaks simply disseminates info, it states on its website it does not encourage people to share info, while we can't know for certain, it seems a bad idea for Assange to risk what amounts to his lifes work on some crappy diplomatic cables.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
For the forty-seventh time, Assange didn't have the means to steal this information. He published it. Publication of classified information is not a crime in the U.S. It's the release of information by someone with security clearance (Bradley Manning) that is the only crime in the case.
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He may have aided Manning with technical advice on how to do it. He may also have encouraged him to do so. This is just two ways he could in fact be complicit in the crime of stealing the information. Rushing to judgment is always a mistake, whether for or against.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
Speaking of wild speculation. There is little sugests that Assange did ANYTHING besides publishing the already leaked reports & cables. Ockham's razor, y'all.
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There are questions unresolved in the Manning investigation. Read up on it.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
Oh, good grief. If we had a shard of evidence that he was involved, we'd already have issued a warrant and snatched him. Did you know that the British police knew his whereabouts the entire time?
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Not necessarily. If we had some evidence, but not enough to convict yet, "snatching" him would have been a PR disaster.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
Oh, good grief. If we had a shard of evidence that he was involved, we'd already have issued a warrant and snatched him.
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Maybe, maybe not.
I unlike some do not have access to the all-seeing eye and I cannot tell what is the reason for everything.
I've pointed out that Assange has threatened the US that he would start publishing some very serious documents he possesses if he is to be arrested or killed a few pages back.
 
Laila said:
Ofc he won't.
US will ensure he doesn't get a fair trial after the witch hunt they have initiated.
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He is an enemy of the state, when he claimed that he was going to hyperfocus on the US and leak crap that would get our troops killed, he became as bad as a terrorist in my eyes.

Froze his assets, had his site domain removed, stopped his funding in its entirety, his site hacked many times, had his server closed down and issued a warrant by Interpol ... ALL of this based on an alleged sexual assault that isn't even proven?
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:shrug:

I've seen folks treated far worse.



No, I do take that back.
US seems squeaky clean next to countries like Saudi Arabia.
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yeah, and even countries like france. ;)


Which btw, I had a freaking blast reading how it funds terrorism and extremism in the world
US sure knows how to picks it allies I suppose oil can make you over look alot eh? lol
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Or it makes sense to support the regieme that is more reassonable than the one knocking on the saudi's door.
 
Redress said:
Not necessarily. If we had some evidence, but not enough to convict yet, "snatching" him would have been a PR disaster.
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And a witch hunt headed by US hasn't been a PR disaster?

US is coming off like a spoilt child who seems to be directing its tantrum to someone who isn't responsible for the leaks.
If it spent half the time it has on Julian on fixing up its system, I doubt the problem would happen again.
 
Laila said:
And a witch hunt headed by US hasn't been a PR disaster?

US is coming off like a spoilt child who seems to be directing its tantrum to someone who isn't responsible for the leaks.
If it spent half the time it has on Julian on fixing up its system, I doubt the problem would happen again.
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No, it has not been a disaster. There is no real witch hunt. We are investigating the leak of classified documents, which is clearly the proper thing to do. No one has been charged with anything by the US without backing evidence(Manning). In fact, the US has done nothing improper.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
He is an enemy of the state, when he claimed that he was going to hyperfocus on the US and leak crap that would get our troops killed, he became as bad as a terrorist in my eyes.

:shrug:

I've seen folks treated far worse.

yeah, and even countries like france. ;)

Or it makes sense to support the regieme that is more reassonable than the one knocking on the saudi's door.
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Who cares if he is seen as "US enemy". He hasn't broken any European law.
US should fix up its holes.
How about this suggestion ... it may be a bit radical. How about NOT give access to millions its data? Yes I know, revolutionary idea

Do you have any links which shows US Soldiers have died as a direct result of wikileaks?

Yeah, God forbid Saudi Arabia's parasitic royals get overthrown, killed and replaced with what the people want
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Agreed, he presented himself to the police. The courts have now refused bail on him.
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It is an important distinction :) Dont want to start spreading the idea that he is being hunted down in Europe...

The case is for extradition is strong - the only argument he has against the European Extradition order is that he wouldn't get a fair trial in Sweden or that his human rights wouldn't be respected there. It's not like he's being extradited to Iran for example. That's not to say the trial will be fast - there are ways his lawyers can slow down the supposed fast track process.
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Actually it is not strong.. it is weak. The very fact that the matter was dismissed first then taken up again is a key factor. Not saying he wont be extradited, but the UK courts have to take that into consideration according to the agreement. Not to mention point 1 could be used since the case has already been dismissed once.

At first glance, the case against him looks dubious - certainly woman A throwing a party for him after he'd supposedly raped her doesn't look good when she then claims he raped her.
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And that she is a known feminist (not a bad thing) that believes men dominate women and that men who do that should be punished (now that is a bad thing :) )

Those 3 or more million people were probably the ones running and inputting information into the system. We're not talking about publicly available information.
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Come on.. almost 1% of the US population. Those that had access to the system was the whole intelligence and large parts of the military community plus the State department. This information is in no way secret.. restricted and private sure, but secret.. You can not expect 3 million people to keep any secrets lol..

It's one thing Russia having word of certain information - quite another to have confirmation of US and NATO plans regarding the defence and numbers to defend the Baltic nations. Wikileaks went too far in releasing that particular information.
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I disagree fully. You cant tell me that Russia with a massive intelligence agency (some saying bigger than the US) does not have one or more sympathetic persons (politically or economically) among the 3 million people who had access to the information.. Add to that, the fact that the US diplomats told their Baltic counterparts, and you cant tell me either that the Russians are not spying on them or have a mole there.. sorry not buying it. When the US can hire locals to spy on people of interest in various Scandinavian countries without the consent of the local governments, then I would not put it past the Russians doing the same. Hell Anna Chapman or one of the other spies could have access to this information for all we know.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
What I do find odd is how some folks here are all over these two women as liars and what not, given we don't have all the information.
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No you are wrong as usual. We find the case suspicious because the prosecuting forces in Sweden already dismissed that allegations as idiotic and then after political pressure, a female prosecutor took up the case again and brought it as far as we have it today. Now if the Swedish legal system without political pressure dismisses the case off hand .. then what do you expect us to believe?

You do know that he was in Sweden when the first allegations were thrown at him and the Swedes dismissed the case right? It was oddly only after he started releasing the latest batch of leaks that the Swedes suddenly wanted him back to stand for the charges they already dismissed against him.. go figure!

Wikileaks if you actually read through this last leak was actually confirming exactly what we do know. The US is a force for good, and many of these other countries play a two faced game of back room dealing while stating something else publically.
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Yea on planet Right wing maybe.. now in the real world, it shows the US as we all already knew.. an arrogant bully that thinks it can get away with just about anything.. but hey!
 
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Laila said:
Who cares if he is seen as "US enemy". He hasn't broken any European law.
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Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn, about precious european laws.


US should fix up its holes.
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absolutley.

How about this suggestion ... it may be a bit radical. How about NOT give access to millions its data? Yes I know, revolutionary idea
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One of my complaints when I was working on siprnet was the ability to d'l information onto zip and jazz drives.....

Do you have any links which shows US Soldiers have died as a direct result of wikileaks?
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If I throw a puppy on a highway, do I need to prove that it puts the puppy in more peril?

Lulz. Yeah, God forbid Saudi Arabia's pathetic royals get overthrown and replaced with what the people want
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a waahabist extremist regieme?
 
PeteEU said:
And that she is a known feminist (not a bad thing) that believes men dominate women and that men who do that should be punished (now that is a bad thing :) )
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Just a bit of clairification here. From what I understand the woman that threw the party did not want to charge Asaunge with anything. She went to the police station originally with the other gal that Asaunge had sex with for support. The police took it upon themselves to charge him after she told her story after she was asked about it. Also I don't think that she is the one that is the feminist. I think that it was the prosecutor that is the feminist.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn, about precious european laws.
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You shouldn't. You are not European.

Likewise I could give two **** if US is butt hurt over this leak. Julian is not American.
US law means nothing outside its border and it should stay like that.
If not, I want my ballot paper for the Presidential election and Congressional. I deserve as much a say :shrug:

If I throw a puppy on a highway, do I need to prove that it puts the puppy in more peril?
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So no proof.
Gotcha

a waahabist extremist regieme?
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Who are you to judge how people wish to be governed? I'd prefer that regime over the Royals any day.
 
PeteEU said:
Yea on planet Right wing maybe.. now in the real world, it shows the US as we all already knew.. an arrogant bully that thinks it can get away with just about anything.. but hey!
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LOL
It's nice to know US hasn't changed under Obama isn't it. It really does give us the feeling of continuity. Makes me feel all warm inside to know US is still as arrogant under Obama as it was under Bush
 
Get him where you can on whatever you can. If you can't stick him with anything, then you have to let the guy go. But try, try again. I feel no sympathy.
 
Laila said:
You shouldn't. You are not European.
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You are right, I am an American who has seen a piece of eurotrash reveal all sorts of state secrets for his own game. If he achieves room tempurature, I would do a jig.

Likewise I could give two **** if US is butt hurt over this leak. Julian is not American.
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His country of origin is irrellevant, he chose to wage ware with the US.


US law means nothing outside its border and it should stay like that.
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Even when we are attacked by terrorist supporting entities such as wikileaks?

If not, I want my ballot paper for the Presidential election and Congressional. I deserve as much a say :shrug:
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No you dont. :shrug:



So no proof.
Gotcha
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So you want to see dead us service members in order for me to convince you of the dangerous position this dooshbag has put US lives in?


Who are you to judge how people wish to be governed? I'd prefer that regime over the Royals any day.
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The one who would have to deal with an even bigger terrorist sponsored state. that's who.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Guess personal responsbility only matters when it's convenient.

So, demand that the patriot act be struck down, and top secret clearance be mass rescinded? You gonna do that?
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Well, since mr obama didn't, I'm not exactly sure how I can. However, since you seem to feel I have so much power................. next time I"ll vote for someone who is actually qualified for potus. Hell, come to think of it, I did. I'll tell ya' what, why don't you vote for someone who is actually qualified for potus. Maybe we can just avoid this kind of crap in the future. ;)
 
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Dutch said:
--snip-- With allies like these.. --snip--
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Please elaborate. You'll find that the Wikileaks have shown our UK politicians pretending to the UK public that they wouldnn't kowtow to US interests and then going and doing just that for the Iraq inquiry or trying to play up the "Special Relationship."

One thing Assange has done well is expose British leaders as liars and more interested in protecting US interests when there is any conflict with UK interests.
 
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