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Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

Dutch said:
Uhhh, that would be me........and all of al qaeda's potential victims. :shock:
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So?
You are American.
Ofc you care about your law.

Why should the rest of the world? Why should it apply to those outside of your borders.
If US is going to start applying its law on those outside of its borders. Well I think we Non Americans deserve an equal say. I await my ballot for the US Presidential Elections :p
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danarhea said:
It is very bogus.

Here is a photo of his accuser:

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Her name is Anna Ardin. She has worked for several groups connected with the CIA. If the US wants Assange destroyed that badly, they have got a crapload of wrongdoing that they are attempting to hide.

And, BTW, Assange is not charged with rape or molestation, as the mediawhores are claiming. He is charged under a strange Swedish law called sex by surprise, because he did not use a condom. LOL.

Can't wait to see what is in that poison pill that is about to get dropped on us by Wikileaks. I bet it's going to be damn good. :mrgreen:
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The Good Reverend would never be charged with such a thing due to the "suprise" being Awesome. :pimpdaddy:
 
Dutch said:
I just havta' wonder if it's any different from living under a inept one...........:confused:
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Yes it is different. We got through Bush's "regime" still fundamentally American, but we would not do so under a fascist regime.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
The U.S. does not have an official secrets act. Bradley Manning is being prosecuted for violating his security clearance requirements and leaking the cables/classified reports. But, Julian Assange never had security clearance, and publishing this classified data on a European server is not a crime.
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Cables.... Whos still uses cables. :lamo
 
Redress said:
The US is going after those who took part in this.

His nationality is irrelevant. To use an example to illustrate(I realize that the comparison is not exact), if a Soviet had gone to Europe and tried to get some one at a US embassy to give him secret information, he would be guilty of spying, even though he has not entered the US, nor was he a US citizen.
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Technically, an embassy would be US soil, but the difference is that Assange is not seeking out info, he is not arranging for it to be stolen, he's simply acting like any media organisation would when given info, he shares it, and the fact that he doesn't seek the info means he can't be tried under the 1917 espionage act, which is the only law he's even close to breaking.
 
Redress said:
So you get to determine what the law is? My statement was factually correct(we don't determine the law) and has nothing to do with fascism. Prosecuting some one for breaking the law is hardly fascist. Emotional rhetoric at it's finest. Op ed pieces and rhetoric does not make for good debate.
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There is no law on the books that he's broken. We are capable of determining that, at least.

Common sense suggests that if he'd broken a law, the U.S. would already have issued a warrant and/or convened a grand jury.
 
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What I do find odd is how some folks here are all over these two women as liars and what not, given we don't have all the information.


Wikileaks if you actually read through this last leak was actually confirming exactly what we do know. The US is a force for good, and many of these other countries play a two faced game of back room dealing while stating something else publically.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Actually I believe the blame lies with you.

All of you.

After 9/11 you were all too ready to hand over your civil rights in return to security.

And now a monster of a security apparatus with almost a million people have access to Top Secret files, and you wanna blame Obama and Bush? THIS IS WHAT YOU ASKED FOR!

With a million people having that kind of access, both in Government and some in Private security firms, DID YOU NOT THINK THIS MIGHT BE A PROBLEM?!?!?!

But go ahead, score your cheap political points, but if you're looking for the blame, you need only look in the mirror.
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Really? So I'm the guy who was never in any way prepared to run a country the size of the us. I'm in charge of one of the world's largest security apparatus's I'm the one who allowed hundreds of thousands of documents onto the hands of one, lone, private with an ax to grind because I didn't give gays eveything I promised them in order to get their votes. Gee, thanks for pointing out all this. This is so much better than blaming mr bush. :roll:
 
PeteEU said:
Some clarification is needed.

1. He turned himself in. He was not "arrested" in the classic form of the term with police hunting him down and throwing him in cuffs.
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Agreed, he presented himself to the police. The courts have now refused bail on him.

PeteEU said:
2. The case for sending him to Sweden is very weak. One of the women in question is a known feminist who believes men dominate women and need to be punished.
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The case is for extradition is strong - the only argument he has against the European Extradition order is that he wouldn't get a fair trial in Sweden or that his human rights wouldn't be respected there. It's not like he's being extradited to Iran for example. That's not to say the trial will be fast - there are ways his lawyers can slow down the supposed fast track process.

PeteEU said:
3. And the rule of law has to be followed. This has nothing (in theory) to do with the Wikileaks situation and even in Sweden the case against him is very weak to say the least. Many are saying it is an overzealous prosecutor that is going after him.
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At first glance, the case against him looks dubious - certainly woman A throwing a party for him after he'd supposedly raped her doesn't look good when she then claims he raped her.

PeteEU said:
What law exactly has he broken to be brutally honest? Over 3 million people had access to this information on a daily basis before it was leaked.. it was hardly hugely secret stuff.
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Those 3 or more million people were probably the ones running and inputting information into the system. We're not talking about publicly available information.

PeteEU said:
As for the latest leaks.. pft, the Russians already knew that lol, so freaking what.
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It's one thing Russia having word of certain information - quite another to have confirmation of US and NATO plans regarding the defence and numbers to defend the Baltic nations. Wikileaks went too far in releasing that particular information.
 
Dutch said:
Really? So I'm the guy who was never in any way prepared to run a country the size of the us. I'm in charge of one of the world's largest security apparatus's I'm the one who allowed hundreds of thousands of documents onto the hands of one, lone, private with an ax to grind because I didn't give gays eveything I promised them in order to get their votes. Gee, thanks for pointing out all this. This is so much better than blaming mr bush. :roll:
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Guess personal responsbility only matters when it's convenient.

So, demand that the patriot act be struck down, and top secret clearance be mass rescinded? You gonna do that?
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Wikileaks if you actually read through this last leak was actually confirming exactly what we do know. The US is a force for good, and many of these other countries play a two faced game of back room dealing while stating something else publically.
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Yeah. I don't get why people are so wound up about it. Is some of this stuff potentially embarrassing to us? Sure. But there is nothing that makes us immune to such things.

All we can really do is change the way that classified data is handled in government systems and move forward.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
What I do find odd is how some folks here are all over these two women as liars and what not, given we don't have all the information.

Wikileaks if you actually read through this last leak was actually confirming exactly what we do know. The US is a force for good, and many of these other countries play a two faced game of back room dealing while stating something else publically.
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It is a Swedish weird law of not pulling out in time that is the issue and she had a merry old party after the alleged rape

And US isn't one of those countries?
US is as dirty as any other country in the world. It is not a force for Good. It is a force for its own interest.
Nothing more or less. There is little doubt in my mind after reading through much of the wikileaks that US would fund wars or evil if it coincided with its countries best interest
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Those 3 or more million people were probably the ones running and inputting information into the system. We're not talking about publicly available information. .
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Just because something is not publicly available does not mean it is a criminal act to possess it.
 
spud_meister said:
Technically, an embassy would be US soil, but the difference is that Assange is not seeking out info, he is not arranging for it to be stolen, he's simply acting like any media organisation would when given info, he shares it, and the fact that he doesn't seek the info means he can't be tried under the 1917 espionage act, which is the only law he's even close to breaking.
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Aye, but what's left to check is whether or not the Wikileaks organization was involved in the stealing of the information.
You cannot simply declare that it did and you cannot simply declare that it did not, as you weren't observing the event of stealing and you are not aware of the facts that regard to Wikileaks' involvement.
 
Laila said:
US is as dirty as any other country in the world. It is not a force for Good. It is a force for its own interest.
Nothing more or less. There is little doubt in my mind after reading through much of the wikileaks that US would fund wars or evil if it coincided with its countries best interest
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We're cleaner than some. For instance, we don't incarcerate people for being gay (Cuba, Iran, etc.). We don't incarcerate people for daring to suggest that tainted milk killed his child (China).

On the relative scale of evil in the world, we're lightweights.
 
Apocalypse said:
Aye, but what's left to check is whether or not the Wikileaks organization was involved in the stealing of the information.
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An individual, Bradley Manning, has already been arrested and charged with stealing the information. NO ONE has suggested that Assange was involved in the theft of classified information.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
Just because something is not publicly available does not mean it is a criminal act to possess it.
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Depends. If it's classified(private), and you've acheieved it illegally, then it's considered theft, and theft is illegal in most countries I guess.
 
Laila said:
It is a Swedish weird law of not pulling out in time that is the issue and she had a merry old party after the alleged rape
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Dunno.... Let the facts fall where they may. My guess is he doesn't survive the trial.


And US isn't one of those countries?
US is as dirty as any other country in the world. It is not a force for Good. It is a force for its own interest.
Nothing more or less. There is little doubt in my mind after reading through much of the wikileaks that US would fund wars or evil if it coincided with its countries best interest
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We are as dirty as Iran? N. Korea? S. Arabia? read the leaks and you see we are a force for good. Others are a force for thier own agenda. Of course so are we, but ours is less nefarious.
 
Apocalypse said:
Depends. If it's classified(private), and you've acheieved it illegally, then it's considered theft, and theft is illegal in most countries I guess.
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For the forty-seventh time, Assange didn't have the means to steal this information. He published it. Publication of classified information is not a crime in the U.S. It's the release of information by someone with security clearance (Bradley Manning) that is the only crime in the case.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
An individual, Bradley Manning, has already been arrested and charged with stealing the information. NO ONE has suggested that Assange was involved in the theft of classified information.
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I believe he's still a suspect, and I believe that he might not have acted alone, and I believe that you should really stop acting like a judge and declare what happened and what didn't happen as it damages the credibility of your claims.
The Wikileaks organization might have ordered or asked the person/s who has/have stolen the files to commit the theft, that needs to be investigated as we do not know that yet.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Dunno.... Let the facts fall where they may. My guess is he doesn't survive the trial.

We are as dirty as Iran? N. Korea? S. Arabia? read the leaks and you see we are a force for good. Others are a force for thier own agenda. Of course so are we, but ours is less nefarious.
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Ofc he won't.
US will ensure he doesn't get a fair trial after the witch hunt they have initiated.
Froze his assets, had his site domain removed, stopped his funding in its entirety, his site hacked many times, had his server closed down and issued a warrant by Interpol ... ALL of this based on an alleged sexual assault that isn't even proven?

No, I do take that back.
US seems squeaky clean next to countries like Saudi Arabia.

Which btw, I had a freaking blast reading how it funds terrorism and extremism in the world
US sure knows how to picks it allies I suppose oil can make you over look alot eh? lol
 
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Catz Part Deux said:
There is no law on the books that he's broken. We are capable of determining that, at least.

Common sense suggests that if he'd broken a law, the U.S. would already have issued a warrant and/or convened a grand jury.
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Until investigation is complete, we do not know even that.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
For the forty-seventh time, Assange didn't have the means to steal this information.
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Says who?

He published it. Publication of classified information is not a crime in the U.S. It's the release of information by someone with security clearance (Bradley Manning) that is the only crime in the case.
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No, but I did say achieve and illegally.
 
spud_meister said:
Technically, an embassy would be US soil, but the difference is that Assange is not seeking out info, he is not arranging for it to be stolen, he's simply acting like any media organisation would when given info, he shares it, and the fact that he doesn't seek the info means he can't be tried under the 1917 espionage act, which is the only law he's even close to breaking.
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That is why I said it was not exact. Imagine though that he contacted embassy personal away from the embassy.
 
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