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Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

This regime gets the credit when things go well...........the inverse is also true.

I never saw them get credit for dealing with the oil spill the way they did...

When has Obama recieved credit for anything? Give me examples?
 
I'm just not sure that what he's done is, in international terms, illegal. Or, if we have any standing to prosecute him. He's not a U.S. citizen. Just because something is damaging to our national interests does not necessarily make it illegal. It may be, but I'm not sure what our rights are in this scenario. I don't believe that they are nearly as clearcut as you think they are.

If they were, we'd have already issued warrants for his arrest and/or convened a grand jury, even in absentia.

Well first of all you don't have to be a citizen of a country to be prosecuted by its justice system. Foreigners get executed all the time in Thailand for selling drugs in the country and that's completely fine with international law. (That was an extreme example, of course)

Secondly, whether he has or has not achieved those files illegally that's for the judges to call, one cannot simply take to one claim or another. (Even though it's hell more likely that he has acheieved them illegally)

As to why the US state department is not issuing arrest warrants, that might be due to blackmailing by Assange. I've heard he has some super-secret documents that he threatens to release if he is to be arrested by the US.
 
What should Obama have done to prevent/respond to this, in your opinion?

The only answer some conservatives have is to put a bullet through Assanges head.

Doubt that would stop the leaks though, since the issue isn't actually Assange, it's the people leaking the info.
 
Here's another perspective that asks many of the same questions that I've been thinking/asking here:

The Shameful Attacks on Julian Assange - David Samuels - International - The Atlantic

First sentence of your article:

Julian Assange and Pfc Bradley Manning have done a huge public service by making hundreds of thousands of classified U.S. government documents available on Wikileaks

That alone tells me everything I need to know about the article. What has been done here is in no way a "public service". The kindest thing that can be said about them is that they are assholes and in at least one case a criminal and disgrace to his uniform.
 
Yet the difficulties of documenting official murder in Kenya pale next to the task of penetrating the secret world that threatens to swallow up informed public discourse in this country about America's wars. The 250,000 cables that Wikileaks published this month represent only a drop in the bucket that holds the estimated 16 million documents that are classified top secret by the federal government every year. According to a three-part investigative series by Dana Priest and William Arkin published earlier this year in The Washington Post, an estimated 854,000 people now hold top secret clearance - more than 1.5 times the population of Washington, D.C. "The top-secret world the government created in response to the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, has become so large, so unwieldy and so secretive," the Post concluded, "that no one knows how much money it costs, how many people it employs, how many programs exist within it or exactly how many agencies do the same work."

The result of this classification mania is the division of the public into two distinct groups: those who are privy to the actual conduct of American policy, but are forbidden to write or talk about it, and the uninformed public, which becomes easy prey for the official lies exposed in the Wikileaks documents: The failure of American counterinsurgency programs in Afghanistan, the involvement of China and North Korea in the Iranian nuclear program, the likely failure of attempts to separate Syria from Iran, the involvement of Iran in destabilizing Iraq, the anti-Western orientation of Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, and other tenets of American foreign policy under both Bush and Obama.

It is a fact of the current media landscape that the chilling effect of threatened legal action routinely stops reporters and editors from pursuing stories that might serve the public interest - and anyone who says otherwise is either ignorant or lying. Every honest reporter and editor in America knows that the fact that most news organizations are broke, combined with the increasing threat of aggressive legal action by deep-pocketed entities, private and public, has made it much harder for good reporters to do their jobs, and ripped a hole in the delicate fabric that holds our democracy together.

Please stop acting like sheep.
 
I never saw them get credit for dealing with the oil spill the way they did...When has Obama recieved credit for anything? Give me examples?

He shouldn't, that was a disaster. If you approve of him, you toot his horn. I"ll wait until he actually does something right. ;)
 
That alone tells me everything I need to know about the article. What has been done here is in no way a "public service". The kindest thing that can be said about them is that they are assholes and in at least one case a criminal and disgrace to his uniform.

Yeah. God forbid that you expose your already-informed opinion to different perspectives. :roll:
 

Controversial Obama Administration Official Denies Being Part of 9/11 "Truther" Movement, Apologizes for Past Comments* - Political Punch

In a statement issued Thursday evening Jones said of "the petition that was circulated today, I do not agree with this statement and it certainly does not reflect my views now or ever."

Do you?

Now, back to your wild claim that the "left" believes 9/11 was an inside job...
 
Well first of all you don't have to be a citizen of a country to be prosecuted by its justice system. Foreigners get executed all the time in Thailand for selling drugs in the country and that's completely fine with international law. (That was an extreme example, of course)

Those foreigners are caught IN Thailand and are not extradited to Thailand. No country in Europe would ever extradite a person of any nationality to another country if that person risked the death penalty.

Secondly, whether he has or has not achieved those files illegally that's for the judges to call, one cannot simply take to one claim or another. (Even though it's hell more likely that he has acheieved them illegally)

No, first they have to prove there is a crime. As of yet there is no proof.

As to why the US state department is not issuing arrest warrants,that might be due to blackmailing by Assange.

No, because they cant. The US State Department cant "issue" arrest warrants.. you should know better..As for blackmailing HAHAH.. now the right wing conspiracy wackos are out again.

I've heard he has some super-secret documents that he threatens to release if he is to be arrested by the US.

And I have heard that the CIA was behind JFKs assassination.. does not mean it is true.
 
What should Obama have done to prevent/respond to this, in your opinion?

Well, I suppose we could start by limiting the amount of sensitive information made available to privates with political axes to grind. Just a thought. :roll:
 
On the right? LOL you libs have been whining about this guy because he exposed Obama and Hillary for the fools and backstabbers they are. So dont try and throw this on the right as it has only hurt those on the left.

It is the right with your Republican politicians that want to label him an enemy combatant and assassinate him.. so you tell me.
 
You are quoting an opinion piece that tells you what you want to believe and accuse others of acting like "sheep". Oh, the irony!

I'm asking you to think.

Specifically: WHAT INTERNATIONAL LAW HAS JULIAN ASSANGE BROKEN?

Is embarrassing the United States a crime?

Here it is, being asked by an Aussie newspaper:

Whether it is irresponsible or not is a matter of opinion. But what Australian law prohibits its citizens from publishing US diplomatic emails on a European hosted website?

Julian Assange is the Ned Kelly of the digital age

If you can't answer these questions, your opinion here is meaningless.
 
Well, I suppose we could start by limiting the amount of sensitive information made available to privates with political axes to grind. Just a thought. :roll:

Maybe Bush could/should have done that. Did Obama set up this system?
 
Maybe Bush could/should have done that. Did Obama set up this system?

It's all happened on mr obama's watch. You realize there is a limit to just how much you guys can continue to blame bush for things that happen under mr obama's administration..........don't you? :confused:
 
And that's the Daily Mail saying that too. There's two things that strike me - 1) the first accuser "Sarah" held a party for Assange after they allegedly had sex (or she was raped) so is that Stockholm Syndrome or something else? 2) the two women met after the sexual liasons - was there an element of competition?

The case was dismissed by the head prosecutor as being idiotic but after political pressure, the system took up the case yet again and that is where we are now. If anything it shows that the Swedish legal system at the moment is highly influenced by politics and especially the right wing US friendly politics. It is not the first time politics has driven a case forward .. the Piratebay comes to mind. Here the Judge hearing the case was a member of an anti-piracy group that had big links to the people accusing the Piratebay founders of wrong doing.... conflict of interest? The high court after much deliberation and "talks" with the political establishment did not think so... go figure.

This case stinks of a frame job..
 
It's all happened on mr obama's watch. You realize there is a limit to just how much you guys can continue to blame bush for things that happen under mr obama's administration..........don't you? :confused:

Oh. So, what you're saying is that Obama should have been a mind reader and prevented a problem that hadn't occurred previously?
 
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I'm saying that your rhetoric is all opinion and zero facts. What international laws has Julian Assange broken?

I'm completely unconcerned with "international" laws, I am, however, concerned with "american laws." I'm funny that way.
 
It's all happened on mr obama's watch. You realize there is a limit to just how much you guys can continue to blame bush for things that happen under mr obama's administration..........don't you? :confused:

No, they don't realize that and will continue to use that as a tool to divert from the Obama record.
 
It's all happened on mr obama's watch. You realize there is a limit to just how much you guys can continue to blame bush for things that happen under mr obama's administration..........don't you? :confused:

Actually I believe the blame lies with you.

All of you.

After 9/11 you were all too ready to hand over your civil rights in return to security.

And now a monster of a security apparatus with almost a million people have access to Top Secret files, and you wanna blame Obama and Bush? THIS IS WHAT YOU ASKED FOR!

With a million people having that kind of access, both in Government and some in Private security firms, DID YOU NOT THINK THIS MIGHT BE A PROBLEM?!?!?!

But go ahead, score your cheap political points, but if you're looking for the blame, you need only look in the mirror.
 
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