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House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

Yeah, that's the ticket, keep labeling those who are to the left of YOU...that will get their votes...


They did, McCain's resume showed him to be a slacker who felt entitled. He had no ideas that weren't ancient before he was born.
The GOP screwed up, clear as can be...

He was the darling of the media before he was nominated, then they ignored him or were negative toward him. I never wanted him from day one and wasn't fooled by the media's pick.
 
My experience is as a taxpayer and as a citizen who hates to see American blood and treasure wasted for nothing.

That's the American spirit. Tell our troops that you think keeping us safe and free is a waste and for nothing.:shrug:
 
you are the one claiming special connection, and inside knowledge, and you exaggerate on both counts. I have been in a war overseas....and have seen their people going about their daily business while we fight for them.
We don't need to bury our heads in the sand, but we also don't need to bury any more of our troops for the lost cause of nation building. There are 2 things we are wasting here, our money, and our children's lives...

gotta go exercise, against my will and better judgement, carry on your self rightous rightist rant without me...:2razz:

On Today, Pearl Harbor Day, I just got off the phone with my 89 year old father who was on the U.S.S. Pennsylvania in dry dock that day and also talk to my Father-in-Law who went in to Normandy 2 days after the invasion then walked through France into Germany in WWII so I have a special connection with the military. I have no special connection other than having a family that served but you call that an exaggeration. You don't know what you are talking about but are entitled to your opinion.

I asked you what your knowledge was regarding Iraq and although I have no special connection I do have three family members that were there. I value their input more than someone who hasn't been there and gets their news from the media. As much as you would like this to be about you, it isn't, just your lack of knowledge on the subject.
 
There were no tax cuts considered, only tax increases. The democrats were twarted in their attempt to raise taxes. Hurrah!

A little stability is needed to get this economy going. Everything the administration has done, almost without exception, has generated an atmosphere of uncertainty around the cost of doing business in this country and reduced the availability of jobs. It started when the Dems gained control of congress, as did the current spike in the deficit. Just check the charts without political blinders on.

Attempting this sort of societal engineering in the middle of a war is unconscionable.

The current spike is Obama's fault, but it in no way excuses previous spikes, republican spikes, subsequent spikes, Wall Street crime spikes, etc. Until we attach serious prison time to actions that can be best described as "breach of trust", the problems will continue with larger numbers..
Lobbyists should be required to pay at least a million dollars toward the national debt before they can get 5 minutes time with an elected official...
 
On Today, Pearl Harbor Day, I just got off the phone with my 89 year old father who was on the U.S.S. Pennsylvania in dry dock that day and also talk to my Father-in-Law who went in to Normandy 2 days after the invasion then walked through France into Germany in WWII so I have a special connection with the military. I have no special connection other than having a family that served but you call that an exaggeration. You don't know what you are talking about but are entitled to your opinion.

I asked you what your knowledge was regarding Iraq and although I have no special connection I do have three family members that were there. I value their input more than someone who hasn't been there and gets their news from the media. As much as you would like this to be about you, it isn't, just your lack of knowledge on the subject.

The only person here who exaggerates is you, and it is as I said, not what you claim it to be.. You place too much importance to what you hear as long as it is what you want to hear. Your relatives being there doesn't give you a special connection. If it does, nearly all of us are special. I have been in a war, and my only claim to fame is noting that the South Vietnamese Civilians didn't care who won. If they did, they would all be wearing military uniforms. Same crap is going on in the current wars. Sorry you can't see that ...
It has been my experience that the more war a person has seen up front and personal, the less they want to talk about it with people who weren't there. My grandfather was there on D-day, and he won't talk about it to anyone who wasn't a part of it.
A coworker was a dog handler, in country Vietnam, for part of his tour, and the rest of his tour was spent climbing in caves with nothing but a .45. That is all I know, since he didn't like talking about it at all. As little action as I have seen, I am practically a non-combatant. I carried ammo for others, and had a rocket explode nearby once, that is as close as I got.
When you hear someone spending a lot of time talking about it, they might just be a phony...
 
The only person here who exaggerates is you, and it is as I said, not what you claim it to be.. You place too much importance to what you hear as long as it is what you want to hear. Your relatives being there doesn't give you a special connection. If it does, nearly all of us are special. I have been in a war, and my only claim to fame is noting that the South Vietnamese Civilians didn't care who won. If they did, they would all be wearing military uniforms. Same crap is going on in the current wars. Sorry you can't see that ...
It has been my experience that the more war a person has seen up front and personal, the less they want to talk about it with people who weren't there. My grandfather was there on D-day, and he won't talk about it to anyone who wasn't a part of it.
A coworker was a dog handler, in country Vietnam, for part of his tour, and the rest of his tour was spent climbing in caves with nothing but a .45. That is all I know, since he didn't like talking about it at all. As little action as I have seen, I am practically a non-combatant. I carried ammo for others, and had a rocket explode nearby once, that is as close as I got.
When you hear someone spending a lot of time talking about it, they might just be a phony...

Seems you have a comprehension problem and ignore how many times I said I didn't have a special connection only A connection which of course you do not, so tell me where you get your information regarding Iraq, spending in general, and to get back on track that so called Middle class tax cut that Congress was debating? What does any of this have to do with the thread topic? I continue to make the same mistake of responding to off topic posts because most of them are way, way out there.
 
Seems you have a comprehension problem and ignore how many times I said I didn't have a special connection only A connection which of course you do not, so tell me where you get your information regarding Iraq, spending in general, and to get back on track that so called Middle class tax cut that Congress was debating? What does any of this have to do with the thread topic? I continue to make the same mistake of responding to off topic posts because most of them are way, way out there.

You keep insisting on this connection like it is indeed special. And so what? What insight does this give you that only you now have?
 
You keep insisting on this connection like it is indeed special. And so what? What insight does this give you that only you now have?

About the same insight as I have about the city of Houston TX as you have. I live here and know the city, people that have been to Iraq/Afghanistan have been there and seen first hand what is going on there. Guess that doesn't make me a liberal because I don't claim to be an expert on subjects I know little about.
 
I was upset when almost 3000 lives were lost on 9/11 and the trillion dollars that one event cost this country. What is your experience regarding the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. As stated I had three family members there at different times and all came back with the same story. What makes your feelings more accurate than their first hand experience?

So you admit that your knowledge is second hand.
 
About the same insight as I have about the city of Houston TX as you have. I live here and know the city, people that have been to Iraq/Afghanistan have been there and seen first hand what is going on there. Guess that doesn't make me a liberal because I don't claim to be an expert on subjects I know little about.

But you have so much to say, for not being an expert, on anything...
 
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So you admit that your knowledge is second hand.

Absolutely, never said it wasn't, the difference is that second hand information comes from a family member that I see and can personally talk to and have. Your second hand information comes from the media and somehow comparable to having a family member to communicate with. That is liberal, not moderate, logic.
 
You do have a problem comprehending what is posted, don't you. Where in my post did I say the rich screw the middle class?

If you were as alert as you claim to be you would have been able to deduce from my post that the Republicans screw the middle class in favoring the rich. It isn't the wealthy who are to blame, of course they will accept tax cuts, even though there are some that are Patriotic and even wrote a letter to Obama begging him to let the tax cuts expire. That many Republicans happen to be wealthy and thus benefit from their own coddling is besides the point, but still, it is the party that screws the middle class.


SO those patriotic dem slurpers are actually sending extra money to the dem run government? Class envy is pathetic
 
Absolutely, never said it wasn't, the difference is that second hand information comes from a family member that I see and can personally talk to and have. Your second hand information comes from the media and somehow comparable to having a family member to communicate with. That is liberal, not moderate, logic.
My opinion comes from personal observations in a previous war, and the media, yes. The media isn't always wrong, except Fox News...
 
My opinion comes from personal observations in a previous war, and the media, yes. The media isn't always wrong, except Fox News...

yeah MSNBC and CNN are known for their unbiased presentations

and ABC is always honest--that's why their NIGHTLINE presentation on BUsh letting the clinton gun ban sunset started out with 4 minutes of footage of LA bankrobbers spraying the city streets with fully automatic illegal AKM machine guns
 
My opinion comes from personal observations in a previous war, and the media, yes. The media isn't always wrong, except Fox News...

LOL, nice act as a liberal instead of being a moderate as you claim. Fox News? My family members weren't on Fox News and I base my observations based upon talking to individuals who were actually there. One in military intelligence stationed in the main Saddam Hussein palace who had access to a quite a bit of confidential information. That of course pales in comparison to your observations so carry on.
 
Don't feel guilty about it...:)
The wife and I stimulated the economy more than our share the last 3 years, closed out almost all of my tax deferred savings to pay for a retirement house in Utah, while still maintaining a house in AZ. No new cars, tho. We still have ample income and more than enough savings in the wife's accounts. BUT, we are done with that for a while, until we NEED a new car.
Smart people take care of themselves, and their personal economies. We can't take pesonal responsibility for the national economy.

Same here - I've paid off a good portion of my credit cards, paid off my truck - and I have no intention of getting back into debt once I'm out unless it's extremely important.
I'm not about to feel bad about beefing up my savings account in the process, either.
 
We all know why we got into the mess, but the problem is Obama hasn't done what was necessary to get us out quicker. Instead he is prolonging the nightmare with his big govt. community agitator programs. Promoting job growth doesn't mean bailing out the unions.

Doesn't mean bailing out Bank of America, AIG, or Goldman-Sachs either. Obama has his constituency, and Senate Republicans have theirs, although I hope the tea party has scared them a little now.
 
Doesn't mean bailing out Bank of America, AIG, or Goldman-Sachs either. Obama has his constituency, and Senate Republicans have theirs, although I hope the tea party has scared them a little now.

I didn't support the BoA, AIG, or Goldman-Sachs bailout either but they happened. The real problem is the Obama economic policy which just prolonged the job losses and economic malaise all by design.
 
Same here - I've paid off a good portion of my credit cards, paid off my truck - and I have no intention of getting back into debt once I'm out unless it's extremely important.
I'm not about to feel bad about beefing up my savings account in the process, either.

Keep at it, I have been nagging our 2 kids about paying down/off their mortgages. The boy can't, not yet, but should be able to make a dent in it if and when he gets promoted to asst. principal. The girl is doing real well, will have hers paid off in a few years if things keep going as they are. She co-owns a website that is part couponing, part affilate marketing, part "how to save money on purchases" forum.
Neither of them carry any other kind of debt. I threaten them that if they start carrying credit card debt, they will be out of the will the next day. It ain't small change that they will get.
 
The girl is doing real well, will have hers paid off in a few years if things keep going as they are. She co-owns a website that is part couponing, part affilate marketing, part "how to save money on purchases" forum.
You can do really well running a website like that? Just curious...
 
You can do really well running a website like that? Just curious...

Last year she made more in one year than I ever did unless there was a lot of overtime involved. This year, she has already surpassed that by quite a bit, and this month is her busy season. It plays well in western mountain states, would be fantastic if she could get more membership in other states. I will PM the name to you...if you want it.
 
Absolutely, never said it wasn't, the difference is that second hand information comes from a family member that I see and can personally talk to and have. Your second hand information comes from the media and somehow comparable to having a family member to communicate with. That is liberal, not moderate, logic.
second hand is second hand, no matter how you cut it....your info is no better than his.
 
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