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House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

Any of them that would have implemented a pro growth economic agenda instead of a bailout agenda that saved Democrat constituent groups.
you forgetting that bailouts were on the Bush agenda before Obama entered the WH?
 
Aren't most states required by law to balance their budgets?

you need to read more

nyt, saturday:

The State of Illinois is still paying off billions in bills that it got from schools and social service providers last year. Arizona recently stopped paying for certain organ transplants for people in its Medicaid program. States are releasing prisoners early, more to cut expenses than to reward good behavior. And in Newark, the city laid off 13 percent of its police officers last week.

While next year could be even worse, there are bigger, longer-term risks, financial analysts say. Their fear is that even when the economy recovers, the shortfalls will not disappear, because many state and local governments have so much debt — several trillion dollars’ worth, with much of it off the books and largely hidden from view — that it could overwhelm them in the next few years.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/05/us/politics/05states.html?pagewanted=all

actually you might want to avoid the very long times story, like tolstoy's ivan illyich it might tell more than anyone would want to know

but it's all about accounting and pensions and credit ratings and stimulus running out and how post recessions hit states...

there's a theme thru walsh's and cooper's piece---subprime accounting techniques

stay up
 
you forgetting that bailouts were on the Bush agenda before Obama entered the WH?

Yes, and Bush was wrong. I did not support TARP but it did apparently work and Bush did gave GM a loan that Obama took a step further and took them over, I didn't support either. I was, however, talking about the stimulus plan that he implemented which bailed out unions and supposedly saved teacher's jobs which are state responsibilities.
 
Good. So we agree. The Central Government creates the strong economy and it flows from there. Glad you finally see the light.

Excellent. We agree again.

Didn't say that.

I am very well aware of what the "Great Society" was and I do not need to Google it. It had to do with the types of opportunity and freedom that conservatives hated and was one reason that I started leaning left.


Attempting to put this on Obama is nothing but a red herring. Our status in the world because of our military operations has been going on LONGER than since 2008.

See, again, as I said. Completely shortsightedness. The economy is not the only thing that makes this country great. And conservative economics fostered two of the biggest failures in economics: The Great Depression and trickle down economics. Now, perhaps, because you are only able to see the positives of conservatism, you will place this on your "asset" balance sheet, but that would just further demonstrate your inability to have any objectivity. Further, as with most folks like you, you demonstrate a complete lack of understanding of liberalism.

Thank you. I'm glad that you admitted to my claims of your short-sighted, close-minded, hole-laden arguments. It's always good when two people can agree on something.

I doubt that we agree on much including the purpose and results from the Great Society. Since you believe it worked and has been successful, then you shouldn't have any trouble stating for me the successes of the Great Society programs and your definition of success? Like all liberal programs, it cost more than intended, did less than intended, never solved a problem and never went away. It is the gift of debt that keeps on giving.
 
as for the SEVEN TRILLION DOLLARS of debt our various states and city municipals are facing, you need to know that the adults in the new republican majority, this time led by devin nunes, backed by ryan and issa, are moving to stop states from sellling bonds without first divulging to treasury the status specifically of their pension obligations

it was on fox, there aren't any links yet

and don't expect a bailout from boehner's broads and boys, sacto
 
contrast the level headed professionalism of the boehner brigades with the headless chicken imitation daily displayed by the party STILL in power

House Dems head to W.H. upset over taxes - Jake Sherman and Jonathan Allen - POLITICO.com

Extension deal taxes Dems' patience - Josh Gerstein - POLITICO.com

did you hear about the TWO more investigations of charlie who only a few months ago was STILL sitting chair of ways and means, the most powerful seat in the city?

did you hear the waters investigation just might be reaching out to entangle barney frank?

are you sure these obamites and ex obamites know what they're doing?

either way, party on
 
Don't know how old you are or what your experience is but I have been around a long, long time and have seen the good and the bad. I have seen people generate massive wealth and do good things with it and people create massive wealth and lose it all. Both did it due to their own decision making process and didn't need any help from the govt. Personal responsibility is a lost trait in today's entitlement society and that is promoted by leftwing ideologues all in the name of compassion. There is no compassion in an oversized allegator going into the water with a duck. Barack Obama is the oversized allegator and the American public are the ducks.

We don't live in a perfect world and will make mistakes. People learn by their mistakes and don't do it again. Millions of people have declared bankruptcy and worked their way back to the top. It is the time to enact some tough love in this country and let people fail. Until liberals allow that to happen this country will never get back to the greatness it once had. Barack Obama certainly isn't the one to lead us back to greatness.

I'm all for personal responsibility as a moral ideal, but you can't depend on it when governing society. Furthermore, you can't just "let people fail" in a non-isolationist economy. If other nations are manipulating their economy during a crisis to better weather the tide, then our nation will be at an enormous disadvantage once the recession clears. That's one of the pressures of being a superpower, is that you can never stop being super even for one economic cycle. It's a point of national security.

For example, if GM failed, then all the connections and degree centrality built over the course of generations would go up on smoke. That gives foreign competitors a unique opportunity to step in where no American company can, and dominate the car market (both here and in other countries) indefinitely as a result.

Replacing corporations is relatively easy in a captialisitc market, replacing their connections, reputation, and other resources is not nearly as easy.
 
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I'm all for personal responsibility as a moral ideal, but you can't depend on it when governing society. Furthermore, you can't just "let people fail" in a non-isolationist economy. If other nations are manipulating their economy during a crisis to better weather the tide, then our nation will be at an enormous disadvantage once the recession clears. That's one of the pressures of being a superpower, is that you can never stop being super even for one economic cycle. It's a point of national security.

It is the overbloated, massive bureaucratic govt. that we have now that is creating the problems we have with employment and that affects all people but it is Obama affecting our world standing and security.

Obama isn't helping our national security with his appeasement and "Rodney King, Can't we all just get along" attitude all based upon his belief that he can sit down and talk anyone into liking us. There is a difference between being liked and being respected. I personally like Barack Obama but have zero respect for him as he hasn't earned that respect. Leaders around the world see a very weak leader and that is doing more harm. There is evil in the world and the only thing they understand is strength and power. We are showing neither.
 
It is the overbloated, massive bureaucratic govt. that we have now that is creating the problems we have with employment and that affects all people but it is Obama affecting our world standing and security.

Obama isn't helping our national security with his appeasement and "Rodney King, Can't we all just get along" attitude all based upon his belief that he can sit down and talk anyone into liking us. There is a difference between being liked and being respected. I personally like Barack Obama but have zero respect for him as he hasn't earned that respect. Leaders around the world see a very weak leader and that is doing more harm. There is evil in the world and the only thing they understand is strength and power. We are showing neither.

I'm talking about economic stature, not attitude or cultural expressions. If you have a high economic standing, the other stuff is secondary. Nations are rarely compelled to make changes in their policies because they are fond of another culture, they are fond of another culture because they often have a positive economic and military relationship with the society to which that culture belongs.
 
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I'm talking about economic stature, not attitude or cultural expressions. If you have a high economic standing, the other stuff is secondary. Nations are rarely compelled to make changes in their policies because they are fond of another culture, they are fond of another culture because they often have a positive economic and military relationship with the society to which that culture belongs.

How do you explain the strong economic growth and world standing with a much lower Federal Budget which represents the size of the govt?
 
well, that was fast

Schwarzenegger Proposes $9.9B In Cuts « CBS Los Angeles- News, Sports, Weather, Traffic and the Best of LA

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has declared a fiscal emergency and is asking lawmakers to meet in a special session to save the state $9.9 billion over the next two years.

Schwarzenegger on Monday unveiled a plan that relies largely on cuts to health care and social services for the poor.

About $7.4 billion of his proposal would come from cuts, include reducing cash assistance to needy families by 15.7 percent in April, then eliminating the entire welfare-to-work program in July.

He is proposing to eliminate vision coverage and increasing monthly premiums for Healthy Families, a program that provides health coverage for children of low-income families.

The governor also is asking the state to limit prescriptions and cap physician visits to 10 a year for Medi-Cal recipients.

arnold speaks german

wie sacht mann auf deutsch (how do you say in german?), austerity?

sehr tragisch
 
capping doctor visits for our most in need at 10 per year

that's terrifying

stop spinning

worry
 
This is going to upset a few liberals

Breaking News Alert: Obama, Republicans reach tentative deal on extending Bush-era income tax breaks
December 6, 2010 6:15:02 PM
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President Obama and congressional Republicans have agreed to a tentative deal that would extend all the Bush-era income tax breaks set to expire on Dec. 31, continue unemployment benefits for an additional 13 months, and cut payroll taxes for workers to encourage employers to start hiring.

Wonder now that unemployment benefits go 3 years if that will be enough for some here? Can you imagine being out of the workforce for three years and then applying for a job? "What have you been doing for the past three years?" "Well, I have been unemployed, looking for a job." Now that would be an interesting discussion and follow up. Good luck getting that job.
 
Obama to Speak on Tax Cuts | POLITICO 44

did you see his address to the nation, 6:30 eastern?

he was furious

but he said it---"IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO!"

for the economy, for working families, for the american people...

tax cuts for the rich

THE RIGHT THING TO DO!

progressives, look where he's brought you

you have my sympathy, i've been there...
 
kudos to president obama for including in the deal (which now will go up against a pretty cranky congressional caucus) a 2%, one year reduction in social security payroll taxes

it should go without saying that the surest and fastest way to job growth is to target tithes against labor

by all accounts (start with politico) this temporary payroll reduction is obama's baby, it did not come from boehner/mcconnell

the 35% death tax on estates over 5 mil, however, is all gop

pelosi's not gonna like it

stay up
 
What a bunch of crap! Why do you care what someone else makes or pays in taxes? Sounds like jealousy to me. Only four times in U.S. history have tax rate cuts been implemented. Coolidge, JFK, Reagan, and GW Bush. Every time employment went up as did Govt. revenue. Promoting bigger govt seems to be what you continually want to do.

Thank you for your careful analysis of the information presented in the chart.

Oh wait!!!!

Never mind.
 
What a bunch of crap! Why do you care what someone else makes or pays in taxes? Sounds like jealousy to me. Only four times in U.S. history have tax rate cuts been implemented. Coolidge, JFK, Reagan, and GW Bush. Every time employment went up as did Govt. revenue. Promoting bigger govt seems to be what you continually want to do.

They love being charitable with our money but taking the credit and getting the votes
 
There are various forms of extremism. Far right GOP are extreme, Far left DEM are extreme, and rarely do those people do anything worthwhile. Progress isn't made by clinging to ignorance. Currently, the far right are claiming to be the most ignorant...and are proud of it.

I am interested to hear what a reactionary populist calls "extreme right"

what part of the GOP platform is currently "more extreme" than the platform under Reagan
 
There is going to come a time when you wake up and realize that "extremism" which you claim the Republicans have is actually mainstream and you are out of it.

He is clearly ignorant of the GOP platform under Reagan.
 
I am interested to hear what a reactionary populist calls "extreme right"

what part of the GOP platform is currently "more extreme" than the platform under Reagan

That sounds to me like you are asking how is this bucket of reeking pig manure smelling any worse than that bucket of reeking cow manure.
 
what part of his status as a POW makes him qualified to be president?

or is it that he was very close to being the very bottom of his academy class? or the demerits he accumulated?
or his nasty temper? or his adultery?

what qualified sham wow to be president? winning a senate seat with subterfuge and dirty tricks?> Being a second string state legislator-a job he got by dirty tricks as well? being a community activist?
 
That sounds to me like you are asking how is this bucket of reeking pig manure smelling any worse than that bucket of reeking cow manure.

OMG finally a topic you are clearly an expert on:mrgreen:

I realize if one is a democratic party hack you would see people who don't buy into the creeping crud of welfare socialism that way
 
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