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House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

The GOP sent a real weak candidate against someone who everyone wanted to believe and who spoke nothing but rhetoric. His resume showed an inexperienced candidate who would be in over his head and the results are showing that more should have paid attention to the resume.

Most of the Administration's policies are obligatory and standard responses to repeating historical and economic developments. Health care is the main exception, but even assuming the worst of it, it isn't Obama's fault: Congress should have resolved the issue several administrations ago.
 
It is unfortunate that most people don't understand the foundation upon which our country was built. Never in history has unemployment been this bad after the end of a recession and the fact is the Obama policies do not promote the private sector thus are doing nothing positive thus the results. The recession began in December 2007 and went until June 2009. What did Obama do that caused the recession to end 5 months after the recession ended but has led to a jobless recovery?

I have no use for Obama because of his policies which are anti growth, anti business, anti individual wealth creation, pro govt. growth, and thus creating a bigger nanny state. The people are waking up slowly but Nov. 2 was a sign of things to come.

To be perfectly honest I have no use for RINO Republicans either but I do know what made this country great and it wasn't Obama style policies.
Yeah, that's the ticket, keep labeling those who are to the left of YOU...that will get their votes...

The GOP sent a real weak candidate against someone who everyone wanted to believe and who spoke nothing but rhetoric. His resume showed an inexperienced candidate who would be in over his head and the results are showing that more should have paid attention to the resume.
They did, McCain's resume showed him to be a slacker who felt entitled. He had no ideas that weren't ancient before he was born.
The GOP screwed up, clear as can be...
 
Most of the Administration's policies are obligatory and standard responses to repeating historical and economic developments. Health care is the main exception, but even assuming the worst of it, it isn't Obama's fault: Congress should have resolved the issue several administrations ago.

Actually, Congress created the issue during the Clinton administration, when they chose to dismantle the Glass-Steagal protections that were put in place during the Great Depression. This is the exact reason why we are in such a fix right now.
 
Most of the Administration's policies are obligatory and standard responses to repeating historical and economic developments. Health care is the main exception, but even assuming the worst of it, it isn't Obama's fault: Congress should have resolved the issue several administrations ago.

Obama is in office, ran for the office for two years, said he could solve the problems and the reality is he hasn't. The results speak for themselves. Obama has been the most devisive President in decades and generated these results with his party in charge of Congress. There is no one to blame but Obama for what we have today.
 
Yeah, that's the ticket, keep labeling those who are to the left of YOU...that will get their votes...


They did, McCain's resume showed him to be a slacker who felt entitled. He had no ideas that weren't ancient before he was born.
The GOP screwed up, clear as can be...

You seem to have missed the Nov. 2, 2010 elections. Yes, the GOP screwed up and the country suffered electing Obama who didn't have the experience to handle the job.
 
Actually, Congress created the issue during the Clinton administration, when they chose to dismantle the Glass-Steagal protections that were put in place during the Great Depression. This is the exact reason why we are in such a fix right now.

We all know why we got into the mess, but the problem is Obama hasn't done what was necessary to get us out quicker. Instead he is prolonging the nightmare with his big govt. community agitator programs. Promoting job growth doesn't mean bailing out the unions.
 
It is unfortunate that most people don't understand the foundation upon which our country was built. Never in history has unemployment been this bad after the end of a recession and the fact is the Obama policies do not promote the private sector thus are doing nothing positive thus the results. The recession began in December 2007 and went until June 2009. What did Obama do that caused the recession to end 5 months after the recession ended but has led to a jobless recovery?

I have no use for Obama because of his policies which are anti growth, anti business, anti individual wealth creation, pro govt. growth, and thus creating a bigger nanny state. The people are waking up slowly but Nov. 2 was a sign of things to come.

To be perfectly honest I have no use for RINO Republicans either but I do know what made this country great and it wasn't Obama style policies.

You seem to have missed the Nov. 2, 2010 elections. Yes, the GOP screwed up and the country suffered electing Obama who didn't have the experience to handle the job.

Nov. 2010 was expected, predictable, based on history of midterm elections. What is new about the election is the 3rd party, the tea party, and that may present its ugly head again.
 
Nov. 2010 was expected, predictable, based on history of midterm elections. What is new about the election is the 3rd party, the tea party, and that may present its ugly head again.

Sorry, but losses to this extent haven't happened since the 30's, this was a historic election across the nation. It is the results that matter, not the rhetoric which is all Obama does tells people what many want to hear. The American electorate is tired of the rhetoric.
 
Obama is in office, ran for the office for two years, said he could solve the problems and the reality is he hasn't. The results speak for themselves. Obama has been the most devisive President in decades and generated these results with his party in charge of Congress. There is no one to blame but Obama for what we have today.

Republicans have contributed more than their fair share to our polarized political environment, and most of their criticisms are highly tailored and lack sincerity. For example, they ran on the idea Obama gave too much to Wall-Street (appeal to the populist element) in the bail outs, but now they want to keep giving more with these tax cuts (appeal to the upper-income elements), effectively tailoring their rhetoric so all their bases are covered. Aside from the fact the bail outs were necessary to maintain the economy (Republicans don't even argue against that, just that Obama gave too much), they worked remarkably smoothly for the most part. But while they were a standard protocol to avoid a depression, they were still unpopular, and the GOP capitalized on that unpopularity in spite of the fact that if their positions were reversed they would have performed the same action (indeed, they did during the last months of the Bush Administration).

As far as the hysteria surrounding Obama goes, it only exists because the GOP and grassroots elements among conservatives are pushing it. The former because they like being in office and the latter because they have a disorganized perception of history.

As far as "Obama's solving problems" goes, I'd say that's an ongoing process.
 
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Republicans have contributed more than their fair share to our polarized political environment, and most of their criticisms are highly tailored and lack sincerity. For example, they ran on the idea Obama gave too much to Wall-Street (appeal to the populist element) in the bail outs, but now they want to keep giving more with these tax cuts (appeal to the upper-income elements), effectively tailoring their rhetoric so all their bases are covered. Aside from the fact the bail outs were necessary to maintain the economy (Republicans don't even argue against that, just that Obama gave too much), they worked remarkably smoothly for the most part. But while they were a standard protocol to avoid a depression, they were still unpopular, and the GOP capitalized on that unpopularity in spite of the fact that if their positions were reversed they would have performed the same action (indeed, they did during the last months of the Bush Administration).

As far as the hysteria surrounding Obama goes, it only exists because the GOP and grassroots elements among conservatives are pushing it. The former because they like being in office and the latter because they have a disorganized perception of history.

As far as "Obama's solving problems" goes, I'd say that's an ongoing process.

Figure out the principles upon which this country was built and get back to me. Anyone that continues to demonize profits, individual wealth creation, Wall Street, or business in general has no business commenting on the past.

Results matter, not rhetoric. Some here continue to buy the rhetoric and ignore the results when you are doing when you say

As far as the hysteria surrounding Obama goes, it only exists because the GOP and grassroots elements among conservatives are pushing it.


Obama took an improving economy and prolonged the negativity he promoted. Since Obama took office 4 million more Americans lost their jobs, there is higher unemployment in 2010 than in 2009 on a month to month basis and 3 trillion added to the debt. That is hardly the hope and change promised and the country is fed up with the "ongoing process."
 
Figure out the principles upon which this country was built and get back to me. Anyone that continues to demonize profits, individual wealth creation, Wall Street, or business in general has no business commenting on the past.

Obama didn't demonize those things.

Obama took an improving economy and prolonged the negativity he promoted. Since Obama took office 4 million more Americans lost their jobs, there is higher unemployment in 2010 than in 2009 on a month to month basis and 3 trillion added to the debt. That is hardly the hope and change promised and the country is fed up with the "ongoing process."

Society is a huge and complicated entity and only visibly changes over long periods of time. Peoples' unwillingness to watch carefully leads to their disorganized perceptions of history. They'd better get used to the "ongoing process" and stop substituting it with their own fantasies of how things could be perfect, or things will never get better.
 
cutting food stamps by 26B to pump up professorial pensions is not standard protocol
 
if Obama is half as smart as he gets credit for, he will spring that trap using the very words and actions of the GOP over the last few years

that's all he's been doing, where ya been

republicans killed nancy's middle class tax cut

republicans demand tax cuts for the rich

they're not paid for

unemployment benefits end

the gop hypocritically insists THEY be paid for

it's not working

this comprehensive political deafness is why the obamite platform is today just a splinter

party on
 
Obama didn't demonize those things.



Society is a huge and complicated entity and only visibly changes over long periods of time. Peoples' unwillingness to watch carefully leads to their disorganized perceptions of history. They'd better get used to the "ongoing process" and stop substituting it with their own fantasies of how things could be perfect, or things will never get better.

Don't know how old you are or what your experience is but I have been around a long, long time and have seen the good and the bad. I have seen people generate massive wealth and do good things with it and people create massive wealth and lose it all. Both did it due to their own decision making process and didn't need any help from the govt. Personal responsibility is a lost trait in today's entitlement society and that is promoted by leftwing ideologues all in the name of compassion. There is no compassion in an oversized allegator going into the water with a duck. Barack Obama is the oversized allegator and the American public are the ducks.

We don't live in a perfect world and will make mistakes. People learn by their mistakes and don't do it again. Millions of people have declared bankruptcy and worked their way back to the top. It is the time to enact some tough love in this country and let people fail. Until liberals allow that to happen this country will never get back to the greatness it once had. Barack Obama certainly isn't the one to lead us back to greatness.
 
McCain's resume showed him to be a slacker who felt entitled

how dare you

can't you see what the vc did to his arms, at least

no humanity

i've never been personally offended by anything i ever read on this forum until now

and i'm no admirer of the maverick

either way, to each his own, party on
 
that's all he's been doing, where ya been

republicans killed nancy's middle class tax cut

republicans demand tax cuts for the rich

they're not paid for

unemployment benefits end

the gop hypocritically insists THEY be paid for

it's not working

this comprehensive political deafness is why the obamite platform is today just a splinter

party on

Sure trapped a lot of people in this forum, didn't he? Many still buy the rhetoric and ignore the substance. Any govt. big enough to provide everyone with everything they need is also big enough to take it all away quickly. Beware of false prophets promising to take care of you and that is what Obama did and many are now disappointed in the outcome.
 
how dare you

can't you see what the vc did to his arms, at least

no humanity

i've never been personally offended by anything i ever read on this forum until now

and i'm no admirer of the maverick

either way, to each his own, party on

His arms were messed up from crashing a plane in Vietnam. The only reason the enemy kept him alive was because his dad was an admiral. If it had been anyone else, they would have died.
 
The only reason the enemy kept him alive was because his dad was an admiral. If it had been anyone else, they would have died.

you should be ashamed of yourself

or not

McCain spent six weeks in the hospital while receiving marginal care.[33] By then having lost 50 pounds (23 kg), in a chest cast, and with his hair turned white,[33] McCain was sent to a different camp on the outskirts of Hanoi[39] in December 1967, into a cell with two other Americans who did not expect him to live a week.[40] In March 1968, McCain was put into solitary confinement, where he would remain for two years.[41]

In mid-1968, John S. McCain, Jr. was named commander of all U.S. forces in the Vietnam theater, and the North Vietnamese offered McCain early release[43] because they wanted to appear merciful for propaganda purposes,[44] and also to show other POWs that elite prisoners were willing to be treated preferentially.[43] McCain turned down the offer; he would only accept repatriation if every man taken in before him was released as well. Such early release was prohibited by the POW's interpretation of the military Code of Conduct: To prevent the enemy from using prisoners for propaganda, officers were to agree to be released in the order in which they were captured.[33]

In August 1968, a program of severe torture began on McCain.[45] He was subjected to rope bindings and repeated beatings every two hours, at the same time as he was suffering from dysentery.[33][45] Further injuries led to the beginning of a suicide attempt, stopped by guards.[33] After four days, McCain made an anti-American propaganda "confession".[33] He has always felt that his statement was dishonorable, but as he later wrote, "I had learned what we all learned over there: Every man has his breaking point. I had reached mine."[46][47] Many American POWs were tortured and maltreated in order to extract "confessions" and propaganda statements, with many enduring even longer and worse treatment;[48] virtually all of them eventually yielded something to their captors.[49] McCain subsequently received two to three beatings weekly because of his continued refusal to sign additional statements.[50]

John McCain - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Nov. 2010 was expected, predictable, based on history of midterm elections.

LOL!

most house seats to change hands in 72 years, most state reps in history

obamite's are obstinate in denial

What is new about the election is the 3rd party, the tea party, and that may present its ugly head again.

callling the american electorate ugly is really dumb, losing politics

it's why the apologists are now a fringe

and what's ugly is trashing a tortured pow war hero

in my book, anyway

party on
 
you should be ashamed of yourself

or not



John McCain - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I have nothing to be ashamed of, he admitted it in his own first person account. The only reason he recieved medical treatment after he crashed his plane was because they found out his dad was an admiral. The fact that he didn't accept an early release is a completely separate issue.
 
I have nothing to be ashamed of.

glad to hear it

either way, he's a hero

honor that

or not

meanwhile, tax cuts for the rich are a done deal

thanks to webb, manchin, lieberman, nelson and feingold

don't raise taxes in a recession---econ 101

obama has no clout

msnbc---expect a primary challenge from the left

i can't see that far out, but i fully appreciate the potentials

party on
 
Then you are in conflict with our Founders and the Constitution that put the power in the hands of the states, closer to the people. The Founders knew that power corrupts and that is what has happened with the massive growth in the Federal govt. By having the power in the states the people are closer to their leadership. This would be a great thread topic but contrary to this thread topic.

Both the Constitution and this country have evolved.
 
Both the Constitution and this country have evolved.

Yes, for the worse as evidenced by the 14 trillion dollar debt we have today because of liberal social engineering. That doesn't even count state debt so how much is enough? Why the continued confidence that the Federal Govt. can solve social problems?
 
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