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House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

WeAreReborn said:
Can you demonstrate how it creates opportunities? Because like time I check under Regean, the poor classes income dropped over 9% and the top 5% of the rich rose by 27% on average.
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Then I suggest you check again and this time go to BEA.gov and BLS.gov to see economic growth, job creation, and wages. Re-writing history is what liberals try to do as well as divert from the thread topic. I doubt seriously that you were old enough to even know what went on during the Reagan years or what he inherited but that really doesn't matter now. Obama is a disaster and the results show it.
 
UtahBill said:
you are the dumbest cluck I have seen on here in a long time....
your ignorance is hard to excuse, but it can be ignored...
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Ah instead of sustaining an argument turn to insults. Classy.
 
WeAreReborn said:
Because to be a politician you have to be wealthy. It isn't limited to Democrats or Republicans. It just reflects the society and how it is run by the rich "elite".
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Life's a bitch and then you die
 
The toadies are the libs who live at the government nipple, always wanting other people's money to subsidize the flow of largesse to them.
 
UtahBill said:
Are you for real? NavyPride does that a lot, calling people liberals because they are to the left of him.
Is that how you feel? I put your sock puppets on ignore, looks like you are next.

Trickle down does not create opportunities across the board, what it does do is it creates a cadre of toadies, willing to shill for a few bucks off their taxes while the truly rich get exponentially more tax savings.
You don't want to tax the wages of the living rich or the estates of the dead rich.
And they love you for it...but don't expect to be invited to their homes for BBQ...
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this is an apparent example of what liberals believe is fair, how about you?

There are no Tax cuts here, the discussion is about extending the current RATES or RATE HIKES.

The top 1% of wage earners make 20% of all income and pay 38% of all taxes.
The top 5% of wage earners make 34.7% of all income and pay 58.7% of all taxes.
The top 10% of wage earners make 45.8% of all income and pay 69.9% of all taxes.

The bottom 50% make 12.8% of all income and pay 2.7% of all taxes.

Currently approximately 47% of all Americans pay nothing and actually get money back making their tax rate negative.

Source - IRS published figures.
 
UtahBill said:
Trickle down does not create opportunities across the board, what it does do is it creates a cadre of toadies, willing to shill for a few bucks off their taxes while the truly rich get exponentially more tax savings.
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tell it to obama

and clinton
 
Conservative said:
Then I suggest you check again and this time go to BEA.gov and BLS.gov to see economic growth, job creation, and wages. Re-writing history is what liberals try to do as well as divert from the thread topic. I doubt seriously that you were old enough to even know what went on during the Reagan years or what he inherited but that really doesn't matter now. Obama is a disaster and the results show it.
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I will check those sites after I finish replying to this post. But first off, I love how you instantly assume three things but two sentences. 1. I am a liberal, that is completely false. 2. I like Obama, completely false. 3. I wasn't alive during his regime, guess 1/3 isn't too bad...
 
Eighty Deuce said:
The toadies are the libs who live at the government nipple, always wanting other people's money to subsidize the flow of largesse to them.
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Those are not toadies, they are several negative things I can think of, but not toadies to the rich...

OMG, I got a thanks from TurtleDude. Something is amiss in the universe !!!:2razz:
 
Conservative said:
this is an apparent example of what liberals believe is fair, how about you?

There are no Tax cuts here, the discussion is about extending the current RATES or RATE HIKES.

The top 1% of wage earners make 20% of all income and pay 38% of all taxes.
The top 5% of wage earners make 34.7% of all income and pay 58.7% of all taxes.
The top 10% of wage earners make 45.8% of all income and pay 69.9% of all taxes.

The bottom 50% make 12.8% of all income and pay 2.7% of all taxes.

Currently approximately 47% of all Americans pay nothing and actually get money back making their tax rate negative.

Source - IRS published figures.
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Instead of raising taxes on the poor or middle class why not address the massive income disparity?
 
WeAreReborn said:
Instead of raising taxes on the poor or middle class why not address the massive income disparity?
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Why do you believe that is the role of the Federal govt? Looks to me like you don't understand free enterprise and capitalism. What is preventing the poor from becoming rich? Think about it. How is a rich person keeping you poor?
 
Conservative said:
Why do you believe that is the role of the Federal govt? Looks to me like you don't understand free enterprise and capitalism.
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Free enterprise? Please, the economy today is tightly regulated by the state. They just put the word "free" in front of it to appeal to the masses.
What is preventing the poor from becoming rich? Think about it. How is a rich person keeping you poor?
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Some poor can become rich but most the opportunities do not arise regardless of the person in question. "You" as in me personally or in general? I will speak generally... The rich keep the person poor by giving them a significant portion less then what their labor actually creates. They do so to create profit. That is how Capitalism works, underselling the workers. It is more extreme in some cases, most significant in the Third World, but it is true domestically all the same.
 
WeAreReborn said:
Free enterprise? Please, the economy today is tightly regulated by the state. They just put the word "free" in front of it to appeal to the masses.

Some poor can become rich but most the opportunities do not arise regardless of the person in question. "You" as in me personally or in general? I will speak generally... The rich keep the person poor by giving them a significant portion less then what their labor actually creates. They do so to create profit. That is how Capitalism works, underselling the workers. It is more extreme in some cases, most significant in the Third World, but it is true domestically all the same.
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Right, that is how Bill Gates got rich, or Warren Buffet, or Jon Huntsman along with hundreds of thousands of others. You have a distorted view of the best economy in the world but seem too to have only tunnel vision. If you have a better answer, let's hear it.
 
Conservative said:
Right, that is how Bill Gates got rich, or Warren Buffet, or Jon Huntsman along with hundreds of thousands of others.
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Well, I don't think anyone of them should be living in such extravagance with so much poverty around them.
You have a distorted view of the best economy in the world but seem too to have only tunnel vision. If you have a better answer, let's hear it.
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I disagree. And solution? Gift economy.
 
WeAreReborn said:
Well, I don't think anyone of them should be living in such extravagance with so much poverty around them.

I disagree. And solution? Gift economy.
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Being in California you would understand a gift economy. Doubt that anyone should be taking any comments from a Californian seriously. What is your state now, 158+ billion in debt?
 
Conservative said:
Being in California you would understand a gift economy. Doubt that anyone should be taking any comments from a Californian seriously. What is your state now, 158+ billion in debt?
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Wow I love how you have no idea how gift economy works. California economy is representative of American economy, massive GDP, California is the 8th largest economy in the world, with massive debt.
 
WeAreReborn said:
Wow I love how you have no idea how gift economy works. California economy is representative of American economy, massive GDP, California is the 8th largest economy in the world, with massive debt.
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California is an entitlement state and that has led to the 158+ billion dollar debt you have. TX is representative of how a state should be run as more and more California businesses are finding out and moving here.
 
Conservative said:
California is an entitlement state and that has led to the 158+ billion dollar debt you have. TX is representative of how a state should be run as more and more California businesses are finding out and moving here.
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Ok great... I was never saying California had a good economy. I have no idea why you seemed to have thought so.
 
WeAreReborn said:
Well, I don't think anyone of them should be living in such extravagance with so much poverty around them.

I disagree. And solution? Gift economy.
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I am curious, how old are you and what sort of job-if any-do you have?
 
address the income disparity?

wow, that's a splinter of a splinter

even defazio, miller and weiner aren't going there

and the tantrum tossing malcontents are themselves but a fringe

all that remains of the once proud progressive posse:

1. those that don't know this morning's headlines

2. those that cling to the sather gate imagery of the mario savio days, now effete, trite, hackneyed, passe, as inspirational in our miserable milieu as ennui

congrats, conservatives, we've done very well

persist with professionalism, follow thru, finish

we own the links, keep using em

Unemployment Rate Calls Stimulus Claims Into Question - EconWatch - CBS News

there's a reason obama refuses now (and has for 6 months) to use the suddenly obscene s-word

Just don't call it a 'stimulus' - Alexander Burns - POLITICO.com
 
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The Prof said:
address the income disparity?

wow, that's a splinter of a splinter

even defazio, miller and weiner aren't going there

and the tantrum tossing malcontents are themselves but a fringe

all that remains of the once proud progressive posse:

1. those that don't know this morning's headlines

2. those that cling to the sather gate imagery of the mario savio days, now effete, trite, hackneyed, passe, as inspirational in our miserable milieu as ennui

congrats, conservatives, we've done very well

persist with professionalism, follow thru, finish

we own the links, keep using em

Unemployment Rate Calls Stimulus Claims Into Question - EconWatch - CBS News

there's a reason obama refuses now (and has for 6 months) to use the suddenly obscene s-word

Just don't call it a 'stimulus' - Alexander Burns - POLITICO.com
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I never said the stimulus plan was a good idea at all.
 
WeAreReborn said:
If I may be so bold, why is that at all relevant?
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I like to see if someone has a perspective. people who have not raised a family are enaged in a successful career tend to have different perspectives than those of us who have
 
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