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House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

haymarket said:
I happen to like going to Cleveland for a couple of days. Michael Symon has some great restaurants, you can catch a pro game, and there is both the church where THE DEERHUNTER was filmed and the house from A CHRISTMAS STORY. And you have the R&Roll Hall.

Newport KY, right across from Cinci has a great aquarium. Appreciate what it there.

Okay - now back to the savaging.
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As someone that used to go to Newport on the Levee quite a bit, I will say the Newport Aquraium is stupid overpriced. Who in the hell is going to pay $30+ a piece to see some damn stingrays when they could drive up to the Cincinnati Zoo and see some monkeys and bears for less?
 
haymarket said:
for any of the economic conservatives here

if we cuts taxes for the rich and the economy improves creating more wealth for the rich and more for corporations but there is no job growth for the bottom 20% who are now hurting, is that good for American society?

or lets try it this way

If that scenario happens, would you still advocate cutting taxes on the rich knowing that it will not produce the jobs for the lower 20%?
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If the economy improves it takes workers to meet the demand, jobs will be created. The question is how many of the 16 million really want to work? sometimes tough love is required vs. those handouts liberals seem to love.
 
haymarket said:
so he is a traitor to your class... or at least the class you tell us you are a member of.
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the uber rich are often the biggest supporters of massive taxes and socialism-I find it funny that people like you consider someone making 400K a year to be far removed from someone making 45 to 80K a year but find someone making a billion a year to be exactly the same as someone making 400K a year
 
Conservative said:
To each their own, it was a great place to grow up learning midwestern values and work ethic, something that many here today don't understand.
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As someone that lives in the "gateway to the south" and as someone that grew up in the south (SC to be exact) I think that SC teaches values and work ethic much better than Ohio. All Ohio gave me and my family was reasons to feel bad because we weren't doing better than the asshole up the road that decided that having debt up to their eyeballs was the better path.
 
TurtleDude said:
lets see

he can afford massive tax hikes and demand that everyone in the top 2% face tax hikes

he whines that his secretary-whose entire income is salary-pays an overall rate than he does because he Structures his compensation so that his salary is extremely LOW compared to similarly situated executives and his income from Dividends and Capital gains makes up most of his compensation so he structured his compensation so most of it is at the lowest taxed form of income.

he also brays how great the death tax is (mainly because it frees up rare property and other things for people like him to buy) yet he has set up his estate so the government gets nothing when he dies.
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so he uses every legal way that he can to lower his tax burden.....heck, i would have figured that would make him your hero.
 
TurtleDude said:
the uber rich are often the biggest supporters of massive taxes and socialism-I find it funny that people like you consider someone making 400K a year to be far removed from someone making 45 to 80K a year but find someone making a billion a year to be exactly the same as someone making 400K a year
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Quite to the contrary. One of the big problems in this country is that it is the folks who make $90K or more who suddenly see themselves in the class of the rich. They delude themselves into thinking they are closer to the wealthy because it serves some sick inner need to make them feel better about themselves and they do not mind believing the lie.
 
JohnWOlin said:
As someone that used to go to Newport on the Levee quite a bit, I will say the Newport Aquraium is stupid overpriced. Who in the hell is going to pay $30+ a piece to see some damn stingrays when they could drive up to the Cincinnati Zoo and see some monkeys and bears for less?
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My wife and I had a great time there and enjoyed it a whole lot. We had lunch at that Italian restaurant down the street where a scene from RAINMAN was filmed. Enjoy what you have.
 
haymarket said:
My wife and I had a great time there and enjoyed it a whole lot. We had lunch at that Italian restaurant down the street where a scene from RAINMAN was filmed. Enjoy what you have.
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Whhhaaaaat what restuarant? I used to live in Covington for a time in the historical district. The best thing I can think of coming out of NKY is Goetta. Goetta kicks ass. Ever had that?
 
randel said:
so he uses every legal way that he can to lower his tax burden.....heck, i would have figured that would make him your hero.
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and then he whines that what he does is unfair

I guess you missed that part
 
JohnWOlin said:
As someone that lives in the "gateway to the south" and as someone that grew up in the south (SC to be exact) I think that SC teaches values and work ethic much better than Ohio. All Ohio gave me and my family was reasons to feel bad because we weren't doing better than the asshole up the road that decided that having debt up to their eyeballs was the better path.
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people pick and choose where they live, depends on where you live as you can find that anywhere including S.C. Been there, good state, has advantages just like every other. You really need to take responsibility for your own choices in life including where you live. I moved many times in my career and always made the best of it, including Anderson, Indiana
 
haymarket said:
Quite to the contrary. One of the big problems in this country is that it is the folks who make $90K or more who suddenly see themselves in the class of the rich. They delude themselves into thinking they are closer to the wealthy because it serves some sick inner need to make them feel better about themselves and they do not mind believing the lie.
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its you dems that treat the upper middle class the same as someone making 100 million a year
 
TurtleDude said:
its you dems that treat the upper middle class the same as someone making 100 million a year
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Gotta draw the line somewhere.

:plays world's smallest violin for the upper middle class:
 
Conservative said:
people pick and choose where they live, depends on where you live as you can find that anywhere including S.C. Been there, good state, has advantages just like every other. You really need to take responsibility for your own choices in life including where you live. I moved many times in my career and always made the best of it, including Anderson, Indiana
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The last year I lived there I was like 12 man. How can I take responsibilty for it? lol

Anyways, I go up to Ohio for a few reasons still, usually the arts & entertainment, education stuff, as well as Kenwood Town Centre, IKEA, and Jungle Jim's. I suggest that if you have never been to Jungle Jim's you go it is badass.
 
Guy Incognito said:
Gotta draw the line somewhere.

:plays world's smallest violin for the upper middle class:
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and yet some here on this forum claim that the lefties really don't despise the successful

yeah so its smart to treat someone making 200K different than someone making 100K but its ok to treat someone making 275K the same as someone making 400 million

yeah that's brilliant

in reality everyone should pay the same rate than these idiotic distinctions wouldn't exist
 
randel said:
sounds like he is being honest...are you against him using all legal means to lower his tax burden?
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I find it funny that so many liberals lionize hypocrisy

but then again being loved by the masses and getting power from that is about all that is left for him
 
randel said:
if you had your way, the rich would pay no taxes, you seem to labor under the assumption that if they pay little to no taxes, that they will 'magically' reinvest that money in ventures to create jobs.....again, they got a tax cut, where are the jobs? as for your 47%, are they economically able to afford a hike in taxes? seems your goal is to create a permanent upper class, a group that is able to pass on wealth from generation to generation, and to keep the working masses in their places.
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TurtleDude said:
I find it funny that so many liberals lionize hypocrisy

but then again being loved by the masses and getting power from that is about all that is left for him
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are you against him using legal means to lower his tax burden?
 
randel said:
are you against him using legal means to lower his tax burden?
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not at all

I find it amusing that people like you cyber slurp him because he whines that the rich don't pay enough taxes while he uses his immense power to structure his compensation to avoid paying taxes.

I guess you cannot see who that is rather hypocritical
 
JohnWOlin said:
Whhhaaaaat what restuarant? I used to live in Covington for a time in the historical district. The best thing I can think of coming out of NKY is Goetta. Goetta kicks ass. Ever had that?
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Pompilio's in Newport. They did the scene there where they spill the toothpicks.

Sorry, did not do Goetta. I will check it out on the net.
 
TurtleDude said:
not at all

I find it amusing that people like you cyber slurp him because he whines that the rich don't pay enough taxes while he uses his immense power to structure his compensation to avoid paying taxes.

I guess you cannot see who that is rather hypocritical
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cyber slurp...thats funny:lamo i asked because i was curious to see what your response would be, as you appear to be an ardent supporter of the rich...
 
TurtleDude said:
its you dems that treat the upper middle class the same as someone making 100 million a year
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so from that comment can we conclude you would support raining taxes on that particular group of rich folks?
 
TurtleDude said:
its you dems that treat the upper middle class the same as someone making 100 million a year
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Fine... draw the line at $1.0 million income. The latest Senate bill did, yet it was defeated. Proving the Repubs 1) are not really interested in tax cuts for everyone or 2) not all that interested in balancing the budget.

They should lower taxes for everyone under $1.0 million and raise the marginal rate on those earning more than $1.0 to 50%. As to job creation by this particular class of people (which is a joke, as no one has incentive to create jobs when tax rates promote moving money FROM a business to your personal account), they should accomplish this with targeted investment (job creation) credits. Since this is not the discussion on the hill, we know this is ALL about tax cuts for the uber well-to-do and NOTHING else.
 
upsideguy said:
Fine... draw the line at $1.0 million income. The latest Senate bill did, yet it was defeated. Proving the Repubs 1) are not really interested in tax cuts for everyone or 2) not all that interested in balancing the budget.

They should lower taxes for everyone under $1.0 million and raise the marginal rate on those earning more than $1.0 to 50%. As to job creation by this particular class of people (which is a joke, as no one has incentive to create jobs when tax rates promote moving money FROM a business to your personal account), they should accomplish this with targeted investment (job creation) credits. Since this is not the discussion on the hill, we know this is ALL about tax cuts for the uber well-to-do and NOTHING else.
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Noticed you ran from my response to you earlier, not surprising. Still waiting for you to tell us all how the govt. taxing a certain class benefits you or the country in general? You seem to have no problem with the govt. taking more personal income from the rich and spending that how they see fit vs. allowing the individual to spend it the way they want. Guess you wouldn't have a problem with the govt. doing that to you then? When you get your first full time job how about having your check sent to the govt. and letting them send back to you what THEY think you need? Is that what you are learning in school?
 
Politics aside, it sounds like some people on this forum just need to eat a Waaaaaaahmburger with a side order of french cries and they will feel better.
 
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