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Republicans block child nutrition bill

ludahai said:
When did you see them make a port of call in Taiwan after 1979??? I can't believe people are so ignorant about the nature of U.S. relations with Taiwan...
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Ah, so you're changing it up a bit? Who needs to make a "port-of-call" when you battle group consists of 2 carriers, and a 58 other crusiers, destroyers, and whatnot..

Please. The 7th Fleet has been observed to be the first strike device for the United States in the south Pacific for over 50 years. It has enough men, and equipment to invade any nation, and hold it long enough for support to arrive! Back in 2005 (I think it was) when China was doing all those navel war games real darn close to Taiwan, what did Bush do? He sent the 7th fleet to "observe". What did China do? They discontinued their exercize. My God man, you're from Taiwan? How can you not know all this?


Tim-
 
Hicup said:
Ah, so you're changing it up a bit? Who needs to make a "port-of-call" when you battle group consists of 2 carriers, and a 58 other crusiers, destroyers, and whatnot..

Please. The 7th Fleet has been observed to be the first strike device for the United States in the south Pacific for over 50 years. It has enough men, and equipment to invade any nation, and hold it long enough for support to arrive! Back in 2005 (I think it was) when China was doing all those navel war games real darn close to Taiwan, what did Bush do? He sent the 7th fleet to "observe". What did China do? They discontinued their exercize. My God man, you're from Taiwan? How can you not know all this?


Tim-
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There are still no American troops stationed in Taiwan, as was the original assertion... Please, read posts before you jump in with irrelevant rants such as this...
 
Boo Radley said:
I'm not deciding for your kids. All that has been said is what the government provides be nutrious. You can give them all the crap you want. You are really misunderstanding here. Seriously.
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What about the story of the kid that brought his own lunch from home, and was told he couldn't eat it because it didn't conform to standards set in the school? I know that may be an isolated incident, however, we do have some liberals that are a little over zealous in their approach.

j-mac
 
j-mac said:
What about the story of the kid that brought his own lunch from home, and was told he couldn't eat it because it didn't conform to standards set in the school? I know that may be an isolated incident, however, we do have some liberals that are a little over zealous in their approach.

j-mac
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how about giving us a cite for that incident, so we can see what you are speaking about
 
justabubba said:
how about giving us a cite for that incident, so we can see what you are speaking about
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The one from the US that I read was deleted, big surprise. But I did find an example from across the pond.

Officials at a nursery school in Pemberton, England, confiscated the cheese sandwich a two-year old brought to school. The sandwich was considered to be inappropirate because it did not include either lettuce or tomato.

Wigan Council has since confirmed that the straight-up combination of cheese and bread contravenes its healthy eating guidelines — and fully supported the cheese-snatchers. “The centre has a list of recommended healthy food, according to national guidelines, which children are encouraged to eat,” said a spokesman. “A cheese sandwich would not feature on the list.”

School Officials Confiscate Toddler's Cheese Sandwich
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Nice eh?

j-mac
 
j-mac said:
The one from the US that I read was deleted, big surprise. But I did find an example from across the pond.



Nice eh?

j-mac
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ok, pray tell us what bearing a two year old's cheese sandwich in england has to do with this bill
 
justabubba said:
ok, pray tell us what bearing a two year old's cheese sandwich in england has to do with this bill
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Well, like I said, the original story I read was about an 8th grader in Washington State I think, and since it has been scrubbed, I guess all you have is my word, but the kindergardener in England is similar. Do you think that scenario is acceptable Bubba?

j-mac
 
j-mac said:
Well, like I said, the original story I read was about an 8th grader in Washington State I think, and since it has been scrubbed, I guess all you have is my word, but the kindergardener in England is similar. Do you think that scenario is acceptable Bubba?

j-mac
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no
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justabubba said:
no
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Thank you. But see my point when governments get involved in over regulation....In the story I provided from England it is at the parental level, an intrusion on personal rights over here that I think we need to head off before it does become a problem.

j-mac
 
j-mac said:
Thank you. But see my point when governments get involved in over regulation....In the story I provided from England it is at the parental level, an intrusion on personal rights over here that I think we need to head off before it does become a problem.

j-mac
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you post a singular event from another country to hold up as opposition to the nutrition bill under consideration
beyond ridiculous
 
j-mac said:
Thank you. But see my point when governments get involved in over regulation....In the story I provided from England it is at the parental level, an intrusion on personal rights over here that I think we need to head off before it does become a problem.

j-mac
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Imagine what some radical vegan, PETA teacher would do with that authority? I wouldn't even be able to send my kids to school with an egg sandwich...
 
OscarB63 said:
I have a cousin who can't afford to send his kids to the doctor, but he can afford to go deer hunting in south alabama every other weekend.
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I had an Uncle who I can never remember having a job, but had plenty of kids. I think he was in his 50's when he didn't have to be embarassed by being on Welfare anymore. (His words)
because he somehow was able to qualify for disability. :-(
Thankfully, I heard a couple of his kids have a better work ethic.
There really should be a work program for able bodied people.
 
Barbbtx said:
I had an Uncle who I can never remember having a job, but had plenty of kids. I think he was in his 50's when he didn't have to be embarassed by being on Welfare anymore. (His words)
because he somehow was able to qualify for disability. :-(
Thankfully, I heard a couple of his kids have a better work ethic.
There really should be a work program for able bodied people.
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Actually, I completely agree with having a work program in place for anyone receiving assistance. I think that the government could really benefit and be able to help even more people, if it would actually make those on welfare programs who aren't actually working or working enough hours a week, do a type of work trade program and/or community service and/or go to school. Those on welfare should still have to work at least 40 hours a week. One good way to work this would be to start a work trade program. Get some of those who are having a hard time finding work qualified to take care of children, then have those people watch the children of others on welfare who are having problems finding/affording childcare, which is hindering their job finding efforts. Have some of those on welfare with cars be rides for those who don't have transportation. Those who have trade skills could use those skills to actually do maintenance for others to count for some of their work hours. By making people actually have to work for their welfare, and making that work beneficial to others on welfare, the government would be getting much more for those dollars it spends on assistance programs.
 
justabubba said:
it would appear this is but another aspect of secretary duncan's intent to make schools community centers:
Secretary Duncan: Schools Must Become Centers of Communities | PBS NewsHour | Dec. 7, 2010 | PBS
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From your link-Arne's visionAnd so I -- my vision is that schools need to be community centers. Schools need to be open 12, 13, 14 hours a day six, seven days a week, 12 months out of the year, with a whole host of activities, particularly in disadvantaged communities.

And when schools truly become centers of the community, where you have extraordinary teachers, the best teachers, the best principals, great nonprofit partners coming in during the non-school hours to support and do enrichment activities, social services, then those students will beat the odds, will beat poverty, will beat violence in the community, will beat sometimes dysfunctional families, and be productive citizens long term. They will go to college.

And people call me crazy when I say they want to raise our kids from cradle to grave.
Parents need to rise up and say enough is enough already.
 
justabubba said:
it would appear this is but another aspect of secretary duncan's intent to make schools community centers:
Secretary Duncan: Schools Must Become Centers of Communities | PBS NewsHour | Dec. 7, 2010 | PBS
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I found this article a while back when researching Obama and his Chicago buds.
I can't verify how much is the truth but it is very interesting Arne Duncan's name is sprinkled through it, among other interesting people.Fred Hampton Jr on Derrion Albert and*Chicago*Politics « PEACECOMRADE.ORG
 
j-mac said:
The one from the US that I read was deleted, big surprise. But I did find an example from across the pond.



Nice eh?

j-mac
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“The centre has a list of recommended healthy food, according to national guidelines, which children are encouraged to eat,” said a spokesman. “A cheese sandwich would not feature on the list.”


When I say slippery slope, liberals laugh and say things like "nobody's making anybody do anything. They are just encouraging people to do the right thing"
Well someone encouraged someone enough to confiscate a sandwich. Not for what was on it, but for what wasn't on it.
Reminds me of of our new Justice Elana Kagan saying it's not unconstitutional for a law to tell you, you must eat your fruits and veggies.
 
j-mac said:
Thank you. But see my point when governments get involved in over regulation....In the story I provided from England it is at the parental level, an intrusion on personal rights over here that I think we need to head off before it does become a problem.

j-mac
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Libs only want to talk globally when it fits their agenda.
Is anyone talking about the riots being something that could happen here, or is it, that could never happen here?
England should be watched closely so we can learn from their mistakes.
I can easily see food being taken away from kids because it doesn't meet the government guidelines.
 
roguenuke said:
Actually, I completely agree with having a work program in place for anyone receiving assistance. I think that the government could really benefit and be able to help even more people, if it would actually make those on welfare programs who aren't actually working or working enough hours a week, do a type of work trade program and/or community service and/or go to school. Those on welfare should still have to work at least 40 hours a week. One good way to work this would be to start a work trade program. Get some of those who are having a hard time finding work qualified to take care of children, then have those people watch the children of others on welfare who are having problems finding/affording childcare, which is hindering their job finding efforts. Have some of those on welfare with cars be rides for those who don't have transportation. Those who have trade skills could use those skills to actually do maintenance for others to count for some of their work hours. By making people actually have to work for their welfare, and making that work beneficial to others on welfare, the government would be getting much more for those dollars it spends on assistance programs.
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I agree completely. I think there is another advantage too. Many people really don't want to take handouts or charity but find themselves in situations where they need to. It tears down their self-esteem etc. This is a way they can earn the money and feel better about themselves, not worse.
 
Barbbtx said:
From your link-Arne's visionAnd so I -- my vision is that schools need to be community centers. Schools need to be open 12, 13, 14 hours a day six, seven days a week, 12 months out of the year, with a whole host of activities, particularly in disadvantaged communities.

And when schools truly become centers of the community, where you have extraordinary teachers, the best teachers, the best principals, great nonprofit partners coming in during the non-school hours to support and do enrichment activities, social services, then those students will beat the odds, will beat poverty, will beat violence in the community, will beat sometimes dysfunctional families, and be productive citizens long term. They will go to college.

And people call me crazy when I say they want to raise our kids from cradle to grave.

Parents need to rise up and say enough is enough already.
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you can't have it both ways
if you want to expose the kids of broken homes to positive, nurturing environments, then they must have an opportunity/time to thrive within those environs

and if you don't want that attempt to reach, and turn kids around in their formative years, then you must accept - tho whining - that the kids raised by lousy parents have an increased risk of becoming lousy parents/irresponsible members of society

pick your poison
 
ludahai said:
Imagine what some radical vegan, PETA teacher would do with that authority? I wouldn't even be able to send my kids to school with an egg sandwich...
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Most schools won't let kids even bring my lunch of choice when I was a kid... a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. I'd love to see an explanation of why peanut allergies suddenly sprang into such a problem suddenly in the past few years.
 
j-mac said:
What about the story of the kid that brought his own lunch from home, and was told he couldn't eat it because it didn't conform to standards set in the school? I know that may be an isolated incident, however, we do have some liberals that are a little over zealous in their approach.

j-mac
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We can all find a story j. And we can agree that one instance is wrong. However, it takes more than one person at one place to make a treand, or to sugegst that the government is doing anything along those lines. You have a bad habit, as do most of the political entertainers and those who listen to them, of taking a single act and projecting it to a whole. That is not only dishonest, but ignorant.
 
justabubba said:
you post a singular event from another country to hold up as opposition to the nutrition bill under consideration
beyond ridiculous
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Wait a minute Bubba. Weren't you the one that asked me for an example? Now you don't like the example I provided so you dismiss it as only one? How many would you need to see to understand that it isn't the examples, it is the regulation that is the problem?

j-mac
 
Barbbtx said:
Libs only want to talk globally when it fits their agenda.
Is anyone talking about the riots being something that could happen here, or is it, that could never happen here?
England should be watched closely so we can learn from their mistakes.
I can easily see food being taken away from kids because it doesn't meet the government guidelines.
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I agree, however, we never seem to learn from the mistakes our European brethren make. Socialism, cradle to grave welfare, health care.... I like to think of Europe as the coming attractions section of global living.


j-mac
 
j-mac said:
Wait a minute Bubba. Weren't you the one that asked me for an example? Now you don't like the example I provided so you dismiss it as only one? How many would you need to see to understand that it isn't the examples, it is the regulation that is the problem?

j-mac
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no, you proffered the example on your own
i asked for a cite
one you were unable to find
which caused you to then offer an "example" which exemplifies nothing
pity i have to explain your won posts to you
 
Gill said:
Most schools won't let kids even bring my lunch of choice when I was a kid... a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. I'd love to see an explanation of why peanut allergies suddenly sprang into such a problem suddenly in the past few years.
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I have never heard of this, but then again, I have been outside the States for more than eight years now... When the schools can do things like this, it really makes me question the sanity of the education profession... and I am a part of that profession...
 
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