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Republicans block child nutrition bill

ksu_aviator said:
I'll let my signature speak for me on this thread.
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Sorry... but the first quote is NOT attributed to Jefferson. It's attributed to John Sharp Williams, who was a Democrat and Minority Leader of the House of Representatives from 1903-1908. Williams made the quote about Jefferson and this quote from 1807: "History, in general, only informs us what bad government is." But no, Jefferson did not say this.

The second quote ALSO was never made by Jefferson. It was made by John Galt in a book in 1986, false attributing it to Jefferson. The only quote that might come close to this from Jefferson is this: "To take from one, because it is thought that his own industry and that of his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, ‘the guarantee to every one of a free exercise of his industry, & the fruits acquired by it."

Simple search engine search yielded these results. So, letting your signature speak for yourself in this thread doesn't say too much.

Neither quote is Jefferson's so you might want to consider altering your signature to reflect accuracy.
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
Sorry... but the first quote is NOT attributed to Jefferson. It's attributed to John Sharp Williams, who was a Democrat and Minority Leader of the House of Representatives from 1903-1908. Williams made the quote about Jefferson and this quote from 1807: "History, in general, only informs us what bad government is." But no, Jefferson did not say this.

The second quote ALSO was never made by Jefferson. It was made by John Galt in a book in 1986, false attributing it to Jefferson. The only quote that might come close to this from Jefferson is this: "To take from one, because it is thought that his own industry and that of his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, ‘the guarantee to every one of a free exercise of his industry, & the fruits acquired by it."

Simple search engine search yielded these results. So, letting your signature speak for yourself in this thread doesn't say too much.
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My search engine brings up a ton of sites that say otherwise.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Back to my view on this subject: If the conservative and liberal parents ALIKE didn't decide on their own that the health of their children wasn't very important to them then we wouldn't even be HAVING this debate.

Obesity and poor health conditions that are related to it are NOT partisan issues - nor do these issues give a damn whether or not you're in the military or if you're 10 and in elementary school - rich or poor, black or white.

You can't take an issue that's not bound BY politics and turn it into a political-partisan topic. It doesn't work that way.

If it wouldn't affect everyone's taxes, health-expenses and other such interests nationwide, now and in the future, I wouldn't CARE what other people feed their kids.

But it does - so I do.
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Do people make bad choices? Yes. Are we free in this country to do so? So far.


j-mac
 
j-mac said:
Do people make bad choices? Yes. Are we free in this country to do so? So far.


j-mac
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Yes, we are. But we can also decide not to let children suffer for those poor choices where we don't have to. Feeding children when they need it isn't evil. Nor is making sure what we provide, with tax dollars, is nutrious.
 
Barbbtx said:
I don't know what the answer is to so many unwed mothers having several kids with different fathers for example. However, it seems they receive so many entitlements that they have no reason to change or even worry about birth control. I don't want to punish the kids, but doesn't it seem we are doing something wrong?
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People were having kids they shouldn't have long before welfare. They just suffered more. So, no, nothing about helping them seems wrong to me at all. While I'm nto sure how to make people behave properly, I do know I would never punish children for the failures of the parent.
 
Boo Radley said:
People were having kids they shouldn't have long before welfare. They just suffered more. So, no, nothing about helping them seems wrong to me at all. While I'm nto sure how to make people behave properly, I do know I would never punish children for the failures of the parent.
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maybe we should sterilize the parents? give em that option. If you want us to support your kids, you have to get sterilized so you don't have any more. Norplant or something that will keep them from reproducing for 5 years. When you prove to the govt, by getting off welfare, that you can support yourself and kids then you can stop taking the drug.


but, of course ,that will never fly. can't infringe on their rights to be irresponsible.
 
OscarB63 said:
maybe we should sterilize the parents? give em that option. If you want us to support your kids, you have to get sterilized so you don't have any more. Norplant or something that will keep them from reproducing for 5 years. When you prove to the govt, by getting off welfare, that you can support yourself and kids then you can stop taking the drug.


but, of course ,that will never fly. can't infringe on their rights to be irresponsible.
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Nope. I would never suggest any such thing. And that may well be the draw back of a free people. It's one I can live with.
 
Boo Radley said:
Nope. I would never suggest any such thing. And that may well be the draw back of a free people. It's one I can live with.
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so basically you think we should just let them pump out as many damn kids as they like and then tax the hell out of the rest of us to support them????

free people??? they are free to be as irresponsible as they want and we are free to pay for it. nice.....
 
OscarB63 said:
maybe we should sterilize the parents? give em that option. If you want us to support your kids, you have to get sterilized so you don't have any more. Norplant or something that will keep them from reproducing for 5 years. When you prove to the govt, by getting off welfare, that you can support yourself and kids then you can stop taking the drug.


but, of course ,that will never fly. can't infringe on their rights to be irresponsible.
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I wish people spent a few days with a picninc basket outside of their contracted county behavioral health or medicaid providers. The parade of people going in and out of there...well...it would be an eye-opener. The way we facilitate the weakest of the the weak in their reproductive efforts...hell...their lives...is certainly counter-evolutionary.
 
VanceMack said:
I wish people spent a few days with a picninc basket outside of their contracted county behavioral health or medicaid providers. The parade of people going in and out of there...well...it would be an eye-opener. The way we facilitate the weakest of the the weak in their reproductive efforts...hell...their lives...is certainly counter-evolutionary.
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So you are a fan of eugenics?
 
winston53660 said:
So you are a fan of eugenics?
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I'm NOT a fan of creating an ever expanding voting bloc of crippled and dependent pets. Im certainly not a fan of creating that mass of crippled dependent pets, throwing the occasional crumb at them and then pretending you actually give a **** about them. So...go wherever you like with that...
 
VanceMack said:
I'm NOT a fan of creating an ever expanding voting bloc of crippled and dependent pets. Im certainly not a fan of creating that mass of crippled dependent pets, throwing the occasional crumb at them and then pretending you actually give a **** about them. So...go wherever you like with that...
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You've said plenty yourself.
 
winston53660 said:
You've said plenty yourself.
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Indeed.

I think it is disgusting that liberals believe they can take individuals that grow up in deficit situations, slap a sticker on them, throw pills at them, and then be done with them. I can point to quite literally THOUSANDS of able bodied individuals in their 20's who's only problem is that society has said...oh...poor baby...you cant take care of yourself. So lets put you on government assistance. We'll see you once a month for your prescription refills. No help...because after all...they cant be helped...you see...its not their fault...

Mind you...theres a reason why they end in ERs and psych units several times a year from overdose attempts. But...hey...dont worry...you are 'helping' them by keeping them dependent.
 
OscarB63 said:
so basically you think we should just let them pump out as many damn kids as they like and then tax the hell out of the rest of us to support them????

free people??? they are free to be as irresponsible as they want and we are free to pay for it. nice.....
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Would you support the alternative, which would likely lead to an infringment on your right to be stupid and irresponsible sooner or later?

I doubt seriously you would.
 
Boo Radley said:
Would you support the alternative, which would likely lead to an infringment on your right to be stupid and irresponsible sooner or later?

I doubt seriously you would.
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I would and do support it. I have no problem at all with the govt infringing on my right to be stupid. they already do it with speed limits, firearm restrictions, age limits on alcohol and tobacco, bans on narcotics, drunk driving laws, etc. etc. etc.
 
OscarB63 said:
I would and do support it. I have no problem at all with the govt infringing on my right to be stupid. they already do it with speed limits, firearm restrictions, age limits on alcohol and tobacco, bans on narcotics, drunk driving laws, etc. etc. etc.
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So, now we can move to what you eat. What you wear. Reproductive rights are far more personal than speed limits. And being stupid and irresponsible is not limited to the small list you have above.
 
VanceMack said:
Indeed.

I think it is disgusting that liberals believe they can take individuals that grow up in deficit situations, slap a sticker on them, throw pills at them, and then be done with them. I can point to quite literally THOUSANDS of able bodied individuals in their 20's who's only problem is that society has said...oh...poor baby...you cant take care of yourself. So lets put you on government assistance. We'll see you once a month for your prescription refills. No help...because after all...they cant be helped...you see...its not their fault...

Mind you...theres a reason why they end in ERs and psych units several times a year from overdose attempts. But...hey...dont worry...you are 'helping' them by keeping them dependent.
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That's actually more a misreading on your part than anything else. And you misread more than one thing. Throwing people away isn't limited to either liberasl or republicans. Too many people do that, period. And no serious person here suggests that you don't also help people learn and educate and try to change mindsets, something easier said than done. Making things too simplistic is often quite equal to lying.
 
OscarB63 said:
maybe we should sterilize the parents? give em that option. If you want us to support your kids, you have to get sterilized so you don't have any more. Norplant or something that will keep them from reproducing for 5 years. When you prove to the govt, by getting off welfare, that you can support yourself and kids then you can stop taking the drug.


but, of course ,that will never fly. can't infringe on their rights to be irresponsible.
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I'm still thinking on it, but no way can you use blackmail to get them to comply.
However, I can't see a lot wrong if they were offered the option at no cost to them and no pressure. That goes for birth control too.
 
Boo Radley said:
So, now we can move to what you eat. What you wear. Reproductive rights are far more personal than speed limits. And being stupid and irresponsible is not limited to the small list you have above.
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and misuse of reproductive rights are far more dangerous to society than violating a speed limit.

IMHO, your "reproductive rights" should end when they start to affect someone other than yourself and your kids
 
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OscarB63 said:
and misuse of reproductive rights are far more dangerous to society than violating a speed limit.

IMHO, your "reproductive rights" should end when they start to affect someone other than yourself and your kids
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Same can be said about overeating and smoking. The cost in terms of health dollars effect everyone, and even more than the cost of these reproductive rights. You're being very selective here.
 
Barbbtx said:
I'm still thinking on it, but no way can you use blackmail to get them to comply.
However, I can't see a lot wrong if they were offered the option at no cost to them and no pressure. That goes for birth control too.
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Where there is choice, there is less room for objection.
 
If you choose to have kids you can't support, then you have chosen to be hungry.
 
OscarB63 said:
why don't I get a choice on whether or not I get to pay to support them?
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Because you elected representatives to speak for you. That's the way our system works. So, you did have a choice.
 
OscarB63 said:
If you choose to have kids you can't support, then you have chosen to be hungry.
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The chidlren didn't decide. Sorry, but I can't punish children for the parent.
 
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