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Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

It is immoral and not normal

Well, since morality is relative, what you define as immoral is irrelevant.

And... how about defining normal for us... oh, wait, we know what happened the LAST time you tried that.
 
Your statement is incorrect. First of all, there is no psychiatric or scientific evidence to back up your claim that homosexuality is 'not normal'. Basically, you are operating on nothing but opinion. That's all well and good until you have to make a case for it in the public realm, in which case it must be proven. Since there is no scientific research which unequivocally demonstrates that homosexuals as a group are any more normal or abnormal than their heterosexual counterparts, then we can safely say that your opinion is false.

Regarding your immorality argument, that's bunk - plain and simply. You can arbitrarily choose whatever you think is moral or immoral, but others can certainly disagree with you. I personally think that folks who demonize and belittle homosexuals based on nothing else besides their sexual orientation are immoral.

I don't believe gays meet this definition

normal - Definition of normal at YourDictionary.com

conforming with or constituting an accepted standard, model, or pattern; esp., corresponding to the median or average of a large group in type, appearance, achievement, function, development, etc.; natural; usual; standard; regular
 
I don't believe gays meet this definition

normal - Definition of normal at YourDictionary.com

conforming with or constituting an accepted standard, model, or pattern; esp., corresponding to the median or average of a large group in type, appearance, achievement, function, development, etc.; natural; usual; standard; regular


Neither does Einstein, Mozart, Man Ray, etc...
 
Please quote the passage that demonstrates that homosexuality is being taught in schools.

In his ruling, Wolf said that, “under the Constitution, public schools are entitled to teach anything that is reasonably related to the goals of preparing students to become engaged and productive citizens in our democracy.”

This case was filed because when a parent in Massachusetts found out his son was being taught about homosexuality. When he approached the school about it, they told him to go fly a kite.
 
How is it a mod can call a member worthless

a) I didn't call you worthless... I called your opinion worthless. Please do not distort what is said. Comparatively, everyone's opinion is worthless... to anyone but themselves. If you want to prove something, you have to present something more than opinion.

b) My status as a mod has nothing to do with me debating you as a member right now. There is zero reason to bring it up.
 
In his ruling, Wolf said that, “under the Constitution, public schools are entitled to teach anything that is reasonably related to the goals of preparing students to become engaged and productive citizens in our democracy.”

This case was filed because when a parent in Massachusetts found out his son was being taught about homosexuality. When he approached the school about it, they told him to go fly a kite.

There is a difference between teaching about homosexuality and TEACHING homosexuality. Schools teach about sex education. They don't teach sex. Schools teach about about a lot of things. They don't necessarily teach how to do those things. Your claim is absurd. I've seen it before. It had no merit then, it has no merit now.
 
a) I didn't call you worthless... I called your opinion worthless. Please do not distort what is said. Comparatively, everyone's opinion is worthless... to anyone but themselves. If you want to prove something, you have to present something more than opinion.

b) My status as a mod has nothing to do with me debating you as a member right now. There is zero reason to bring it up.

That is calling me worthless, If i said that about you I would be thread banned
 
merits aside, it is common perception that unless congress acts in THIS lame duck, dadt is doa under the new house delegation

that is, leadership needs to act NOW or NEVER if this matter is to be resolved outside the courts, the president's repeatedly professed preference

fortunately or unfortunately, leadership here, as elsewhere, is lacking



On World AIDS Day, Larry Kramer, who first warned of epidemic, rips 'Do-nothing' Obama

do you disagree?

either way, it's doa, as mitch mcconnell, on behalf of all 42 united, today declared in writing ALL legislation LAME until congress deals with its exigent responsibilities

ie, resolution on the 2011 income tax and continuance of the various appropriations, which expire december 3, required to keep the govt operating, after congressional leadership inexplicably punted, offering NO BUDGET resolution for 2011

NationalJournal.com - GOP Will Filibuster All Bills if Taxes, Budget Not Addressed - Wednesday, December 1, 2010

Dems won

finally, i hope it is not wandering too far afield here to note, today being AIDS day, that george w what's-his-name, say what you will about him, was a model of compassion, concern and caring when it came to this scariest of scourges

Rock star Bono praises Bush for AIDS plans

indeed, george w, if you look at him dispassionately, may be recognized as, perhaps, one of the leaders in all world history when it comes to combatting hiv

and he acted upon his humanity, if i recall correctly, with pretty much universal support from republicans across the country

stay up

None of which has anything to do with what we are talking about. Thank you for sharing that random bit of nonsense.
 
dadt is doa

you're welcome

stay up
 
A repeal of “don’t ask, don’t tell?” Don’t bet on it.

The window for action on reversing the ban on gays in the military is quickly closing, and the path to undoing the 17-year-old law is riddled with roadblocks: a crowded lame-duck calendar, Democratic defectors, and emboldened Republican senators who have no desire to hand a legislative victory to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid.

Is the 'don't ask, don't tell' repeal DOA? - Scott Wong and Gordon Lubold - POLITICO.com

and that's BEFORE mcconnell's letter

stay up
 
I think we should repeal the ban with the stipulation that gives all personnel in every branch, the option to resign from the military if they don't agree with the new policy.
 
That is calling me worthless, If i said that about you I would be thread banned

Moderator's Warning:
Calling an opinion worthless is not an infraction. Calling someone worthless is. Cease with commenting about moderation or someone's status as a mod.
 
Moderator's Warning:
Calling an opinion worthless is not an infraction. Calling someone worthless is. Cease with commenting about moderation or someone's status as a mod.

So explain how a worthy person has a worthless opinion
 
That may not be done yet

it cost em the house, 21 state legislatures, 690 state reps, 10 gubs, 6 senators...

the biggest wave election since 1938!

who brought up health care?

LOL!

back on topic---dadt is doa
 
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You have your opinion I have mine. I believe gays will not rest till they feel their lifestyle is accepted by society as normal.

And I don't have a problem with that. There will always be people that don't accept them. That's fine, as long as those that can't accept them are not violating the rights of homosexuals. It is just like race, religion, or gender. There will always be people who will have their prejudices against people in these groups. As long as they don't try to violate the rights of those they don't like, they are completely entitled to their opinion.
 
You have your opinion I have mine. I believe gays will not rest till they feel their lifestyle is accepted by society as normal.

Yeah, that is kind of the point of life. Everyone is seeking to be recognized and to feel like they belong. It's a large part of why people join religions. Of course, nobody can force anyone to accept them.
 
I think we should repeal the ban with the stipulation that gives all personnel in every branch, the option to resign from the military if they don't agree with the new policy.

This would be a horrible policy. I guarantee that you would have some people getting out just because they could. Many of those would care less about the policy.

If someone is uncomfortable with a change in military policy that allows gays to serve openly that makes them not want to serve anymore, then they can either wait til their time is up and just not reenlist.

No one joined the military with a quarantee that policies would never change. And no one has joined the military in this day and age without knowing DADT was in place, and that they very well may have to serve with a gay person.
 
I think we should repeal the ban with the stipulation that gives all personnel in every branch, the option to resign from the military if they don't agree with the new policy.

No, they should just suck it up and get used to it. There's a certain sense of justice in the idea of making the bigots and homophobes in the military suffer their discomfort in silence while they finish out their service.
 
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