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South celebrates Civil War, largely without slaves

Don't begrudge Southern Whites of the last shred of their history. To do so provokes alienation and estrangement because every single other group in this country gets to celebrate who they are.

Besides, the Stars and Stripes are just as much a symbol of discrimination and oppression as are the Stars and Bars. Seriously! There is no more reasaon to respect the Stars and Stripes than there is to despise the Stars and Bars.

Today parades are held in America where primarily Mexican flags are waved. Where I live Mexican Independence Day is about as big a deal as is American Independence Day. That being the case, it's hard for me to get worked up about the Stars and Bars and other accouterments of a past long gone.

Well lets look at the accomplishment...

They succeeded to maintain slaves.
They got their asses kicked while trying to keep slavery alive.
The SCOTUS said they could not succeed to begin with.
They instead make racist laws to keep the colored folks under control. They remain intact until 1964.

Yea, they have allot to be proud of.
 
German-Americans don't get to celebrate the Holocaust. German-Americans are part of the old pan-European white majority that survived the Depression and won WWII. They merged their German identity into the White American identity as part of the process of assimilation. Assimilation is no longer the favored model in America. Unity has been replaced by diversity.


I can think of one. That's good.


Yes, and Mexicans were fighting to create a country that was not being oppressed by distant lords in Spain. Southerners were fighting to prolong their use of slavery. The two are not even remotely comparable.
That wasn't the analogy I was making. I am an American living in America who celebrates American Independence. But in my part of American, American Independence is not any more important than Mexican Independence Day. If Mexicans can celebrate their history of human sacrifice on an unimaginable scale, then why can't White Southerners celebrate a heritage that has a dual nature?
 
That wasn't the analogy I was making. I am an American living in America who celebrates American Independence. But in my part of American, American Independence is not any more important than Mexican Independence Day. If Mexicans can celebrate their history of human sacrifice on an unimaginable scale, then why can't White Southerners celebrate a heritage that has a dual nature?

Good lord, have you been reading the thread? The celebration is not Southern Heritage. It's Celebrating the Civil War. It's celebrating a part of their heritage and omitting key facts about it. It would be like Germans celebrating their role WWII without mentioning that whole burning zee jews incident.
 
...They instead make racist laws to keep the colored folks under control. They remain intact until 1964.
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Those laws were made under the authority of the Stars and Stripes. Let's urinate on the American flag together. Everything you said about the White Southerners was and is true about the Union and America.

One difference between the United States of America and the Confederate States of America was that the USA committed genocide, and the CSA didn't. Slavery wasn't genocide. So if we are to spit on flags then let the Stars and Stripes take its rightful place as first in line.
 
Good lord, have you been reading the thread? The celebration is not Southern Heritage. It's Celebrating the Civil War. It's celebrating a part of their heritage and omitting key facts about it. It would be like Germans celebrating their role WWII without mentioning that whole burning zee jews incident.

Should the White Southerners be arrested and sent to a reeducation camp? Should they get a bullet to the head? Should they simply be silenced and forced to wear a scarlett W on their chests?
 
Those laws were made under the authority of the Stars and Stripes. Let's urinate on the American flag together. Everything you said about the White Southerners was and is true about the Union and America.

One difference between the United States of America and the Confederate States of America was that the USA committed genocide, and the CSA didn't. Slavery wasn't genocide. So if we are to spit on flags then let the Stars and Stripes take its rightful place as first in line.

The murder of blacks who wanted to vote was NOT made under authority of the Stars and Stripes, and if I remember correctly, the Stars and Stripes sent troops to Mississippi, after the murders of the three civil rights workers.
 
The murder of blacks who wanted to vote was NOT made under authority of the Stars and Stripes, and if I remember correctly, the Stars and Stripes sent troops to Mississippi, after the murders of the three civil rights workers.

You are making a false distinction between acts of commission and acts of omission. The USA was not a defender of African Americans until the Eisenhower Administration. Prior to that time all administrations watched as African Americans were murdered and oppressed, and they did absolutely nothing. Let's not pretend federal hands were clean. Those administrations ruled under the authority of the United States of America symbolized by the Stars and Stripes.
 
Those laws were made under the authority of the Stars and Stripes. Let's urinate on the American flag together. Everything you said about the White Southerners was and is true about the Union and America.

Jim Crow was Southern Mr. revisionist.

One difference between the United States of America and the Confederate States of America was that the USA committed genocide, and the CSA didn't. Slavery wasn't genocide. So if we are to spit on flags then let the Stars and Stripes take its rightful place as first in line.

Nice shuck and jive. This is about Southerners celebrating succession, not who committed the worst genocide etc.

So far you have pointed to nothing that is worth celebrating about the succession.
 
Jim Crow was Southern Mr. revisionist.



Nice shuck and jive. This is about Southerners celebrating succession, not who committed the worst genocide etc.

So far you have pointed to nothing that is worth celebrating about the succession.

So should they be silenced because they are politically incorrect white people?
 
So should they be silenced because they are politically incorrect white people?

No, even the ignorant have rights, according to the First Amendment. If someone wants to claim that this is a celebration of something honorable, or claim that Bush was a deserter in the Army, or claim that Obama is really a Kenyan citizen, then by all means, they should go for it. They just shouldn't be surprised when educated people hear what they are spewing, and exclaim "WTF bat guano planet is he from?". :mrgreen:
 
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So should they be silenced because they are politically incorrect white people?

Who said anything about silencing anyone? They can do what they want. I would die for their right to celebrate it. Along the same lines, I can call it what it is, Stupid racist garbage.
 
self loathing and guilt is common in the left from what I have seen

Its not self-loathing at all. I just don't see any reason to celebrate being a Southern as opposed to simply being an American.
 
We celebrate the founding of our country, a founding that could not have happened if we had not slaughtered and displaced the native people.

Independence day has very little (if anything) to do with what happened to the Native Americans.

But anyway, a celebratory event for the civil war (especially with the south as it's host) seems odd... but it's the south I suppose.
 
Independence day has very little (if anything) to do with what happened to the Native Americans.

But anyway, a celebratory event for the civil war (especially with the south as it's host) seems odd... but it's the south I suppose.

Yes, it's odd, but celebrating getting your ass kicked happens all the time. Just look how Cortland Finnegan celebrated, after getting his ass completely kicked by Andre Johnson, during the Texans-Titans game last Sunday. :mrgreen:
 
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People don't celebrate defeats. They mourn them. If they're celebrating it's something other than being defeated.
 
Yes, it's odd, but celebrating getting your ass kicked happens all the time. Just look how Cortland Finnegan celebrated, after getting his ass completely kicked by Andre Johnson, during the Texans-Titans game last Sunday. :mrgreen:

my friends and I were self-captioning that since we couldn't hear what he was saying. Mine was "yeah I deserved that! You right, you right!".
 
Who said anything about silencing anyone? They can do what they want. I would die for their right to celebrate it. Along the same lines, I can call it what it is, Stupid racist garbage.

How is it racist? They are celebrating people who had the guts to try and stand on their own. To govern themselves. Even the people who are throwing these bashes have stated that slavery was an "abomination" as one guy said it in the article you posted in your OP. He just wants to honor those that stood up against what was believed to be an over reaching government. That is what the celebrations are about. Has nothing to do with slavery.

Was slavery a part of the civil war? Yes it was. Does it have anything to do with these celebrations? Nope it doesn't.
 
How is it racist? They are celebrating people who had the guts to try and stand on their own. To govern themselves. Even the people who are throwing these bashes have stated that slavery was an "abomination" as one guy said it in the article you posted in your OP. He just wants to honor those that stood up against what was believed to be an over reaching government. That is what the celebrations are about. Has nothing to do with slavery.

Was slavery a part of the civil war? Yes it was. Does it have anything to do with these celebrations? Nope it doesn't.

"He just wants to honor those that stood up against what was believed to be an over reaching government. That is what the celebrations are about."

" He just wants to honor those that stood up against what was believed to be the freeing of the slaves. That is what the celebrations are about."

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Southerners celebrating the time they rebelled so that they could keep slavery going a little longer? Well color me shocked.
No more like color you stupid if you believe the civil war was fought solely because of slavery.
 
I find it peculiar to celebrate a war, period. Very strange.

Let's have a celebration to mark the start of WWII. Makes as much sense.

Honor the fallen? That I can understand. Commemorate the South's attempt at sovereignty? I can understand that. But celebrate the Civil War? How weird.

Really because believe we veterans celebrate D Day every June 6. Wasnt that the start of American role in the fighting to take back Europe?
 
Any other thing I really dislike is the confederate flag being flown with no opposition in many places in the South. I may be "prejudice" against it because I am originally from up north, but when I see that flag flying on poles or on peoples cars it offends me and makes me mad. I've gotten into arguments over it, to which those who express "Dixie pride" claim it's "heritage, not hate." The fact is that the confederate flag stood for the confederacy, which stood for enslavement, secession from the Union, and the killing of American soldiers in the bloodiest war in American history. Many of these people also claim to love America and be patriotic, yet they wave a flag that stood for breaking away from America. I find it to be equal to someone of German dissent (like me, well partially German) waving a nazi flag or banner in order to show support for Germany. The nazi flag stood for racism, war, and the death of soldiers (among these being American). Yet no one would find it acceptable (nor should they) if I were to innocently wave my nazi banner in the name of German pride and simply cast away the racist bloodbath that happened under nazi rule. Would this also be "heritage and not hate"? I do not think the confederacy should be revered or celebrated for any reason. It should be treated just like nazism: a racist nation that is responsible for the deaths of many and an enemy combatant against the United States of America.

The 1st Amendment gets in the way doesn't it?
 
Really because believe we veterans celebrate D Day every June 6. Wasnt that the start of American role in the fighting to take back Europe?

I think it's more about celebrating the bravery and patriotism of our soldiers, than the war itself. I would imagine that veterans hate war more than anyone.
 
Good ole south and their silly anachronisms.
 
"He just wants to honor those that stood up against what was believed to be an over reaching government. That is what the celebrations are about."

" He just wants to honor those that stood up against what was believed to be the freeing of the slaves. That is what the celebrations are about."

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That is of course how you wish to take it. But just because you wish to take it that way does not mean that it actually IS that way. That is in essence one of the biggest problem now adays when it comes to racism. When it comes to racism people don't just read what they want into what people say or do. It seems that they have a NEED to read what what they want into what people say and do. And it is the biggest thing that keeps racism alive and kicking.

Oh sure they will of course deny what I just said. Either because they don't realize the truth of it or they do but just don't want to seem racist themselves. Understandable I suppose. Unfortenate, but understandable.

In anycase the south pulled away from the Union for reasons other than slavery. Their main gripe was taxes IIRC. While slavery might have been a part of the reasons it was not the biggest reason. You seem to think that the north wanted the south to end slavery and that was the main reason for the civil war. It wasn't. Indeed ole' Lincoln had stated before the war and even towards the begining of it that he would do anything to keep the union together, including keeping slavery around.
 
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