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US embassy cables leak sparks global diplomacy crisis

Haha. I love US's descriptions of world leaders.

French President Nicolas Sarkozy: ‘has a thin-skinned and authoritarian personal style’ and is an ‘emperor with no clothes’

Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi: ‘feckless, vain and ineffective as a modern European leader’. He is a ‘physically and politically weak’ leader whose ‘frequent late nights and penchant for partying hard mean he does not get sufficient rest’

Russian President Dmitry Medvedev: ‘plays Robin to Putin’s Batman’ and is ‘pale and hesitant’

Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin: an ‘alpha dog’

Chancellor Angela Merkel: ‘avoids risks and is rarely creative’

Iranian President Mahmoud Amhadinejad: like ‘Hitler’

Libyan leader Muammar Gadaffi: is ‘strange’ and ‘accompanied by voluptuous blonde Ukranian “nurse”’

Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan: governs with ‘a cabal of incompetent advisors’

North Korean dictator Kim Jong-il: ‘flabby old chap’ who suffers from ‘physical and psychological trauma’

Afghan president, Hamid Karzai: ‘driven by paranoia’ and ‘an extremely weak man who did not listen to facts but was instead easily swayed by anyone who came to report even the most bizarre stories or plots against him’

Zimbabwean tyrant, Robert Mugabe: ‘the crazy old man’
 
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digsbe said:
The owner of wikileaks should either be jailed or assassinated.
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I will never cease to be entertained by the bolded sentiment. Let's break it down:

From what does the government of the United States of America derive its authority? Depending on how pedantic you're feeling, it's either the Constitution or the will of the people as embodied by the Constitution -- but either way, the Constitution figures prominently.

What does the Constitution have to say about assassinations? It says you can't be deprived of your life without due process.

As such, it is illegal to assassinate someone just because you don't like what they're doing.

My favorite counter to this most obvious of arguments: Well, if it happens off of American soil, it's not subject to American law, and therefore that restriction doesn't apply! Absolutely correct, of course. Now, instead of being a sanctioned agent of the US government, you're a thug and a murderer. :lol:
 
Saudi donors remain the chief financiers of Sunni militant groups like Al Qaeda...
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/29/world/29cables.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1&hp
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From the Guardian's story:

At the start of a series of daily extracts from the US embassy cables – many designated "secret" – the Guardian can disclose that Arab leaders are privately urging an air strike on Iran and that US officials have been instructed to spy on the UN leadership. These two revelations alone would be likely to reverberate around the world. But the secret dispatches which were obtained by WikiLeaks, the whistleblowers' website, also reveal Washington's evaluation of many other highly sensitive international issues.

These include a shift in relations between China and North Korea, high level concerns over Pakistan's growing instability and details of clandestine US efforts to combat al-Qaida in Yemen.

Among scores of disclosures that are likely to cause uproar, the cables detail:

• Grave fears in Washington and London over the security of Pakistan's nuclear weapons programme, with officials warning that as the country faces economic collapse, government employees could smuggle out enough nuclear material for terrorists to build a bomb.

• Suspicions of corruption in the Afghan government, with one cable alleging that vice president Zia Massoud was carrying $52m in cash when he was stopped during a visit to the United Arab Emirates. Massoud denies taking money out of Afghanistan.

• The extraordinarily close relationship between Vladimir Putin, the Russian prime minister, and Silvio Berlusconi, the Italian prime minister, which is causing intense US suspicion. Cables detail allegations of "lavish gifts", lucrative energy contracts and the use by Berlusconi of a "shadowy" Russian-speaking Italian go-between.

• Allegations that Russia and its intelligence agencies are using mafia bosses to carry out criminal operations, with one cable reporting that the relationship is so close that the country has become a "virtual mafia state".

•  Devastating criticism of the UK's military operations in Afghanistan by US commanders, the Afghan president and local officials in Helmand. The dispatches reveal particular contempt for the failure to impose security around Sangin – the town which has claimed more British lives than any other in the country.
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I mean seriously.. is anyone actually surprised by any of this? All of these problems are easily identifiable from the public record...there is not much news in what has been released as far as I can tell so far.
 
digsbe said:
The newspapers and websites that publish this should be shut down. They are sharing illegally obtained information that is internationally important to the US. The owner of wikileaks should either be jailed or assassinated.
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Ah yes another example of fascist anti-American conservative rhetoric. Calling for assassinations of anything they deem unacceptable.

May this type of conservatism die out quickly and be sent to the back side of hell.
 
Arcana XV said:
I love some of the comments at the bottom. :lol:

And I totally lol'd at this part:



Yeah, sure, okay. whatever you say dood. :lol:
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There's not a single embassy, representing any country, that doesn't have intel operators.
 
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Sure is alotta information being leaked this year. For decades, no significant leaks and, boom, truckloads of leaked info.

Looks like someone is either doing a piss poor job of protecting this info, or those same people are leaking the info, intentionally.
 
justabubba;1059126703/ said:
tell us how Obama prevents this information from being disseminated on the net
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By preventing the information from being leaked, to begin with. He's the hookin' bull, therefore he's fully responsible for the lack of security that allowed these leaks to take place.

More time spent actually doing his job and less time playing b-ball, maybe? What would you suggest?


what rank would you have doing the grunt work instead of the pfc?
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Depends on the sensitivty of the information that person is dealing with.


you have to be kidding. it was bush's white house that was committing the leaks. or have you forgotten about the intentional disclosure of a covert CIA agent, a leak made purely for partisan politics[/qipte]

I certainly recall the Leftists insisting that heads roll, because a simple analyst at CIA as ID'ed by a reporter. Remember the outrage over that?

This information may have exposed hundreds of agents. But, now, it's all of a sudden, "free speech", and anyone that suggests that our intel and it's sources be kept secure, is now a facist-conservative.


point out what would be found treasonable
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Illegally leaking classified docs is considered treason. The Rosenbergs gave nuke secrets to the Soviets. That's treason. Robert Hanssen sold secret material to the Soviets. That's also treason.


do you have a cite indicating he has actually said that; if so, please post it as i have not seen reference to such a statement until reading your post
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Whatelse could be Assuage's motivations? His high moral tone?

why, because he prints factual information that our government and others would rather be concealed from public view
why are you so opposed to the truth being exposed that you would be willing to kill someone to accomplish that end?
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Because, exposing that information could get innocent Americans killed and their lives are worth far more than the life of someone who would endanger their safety.

then you must consider me your enemy as i appreciate and applaud those who have the courage and means to blow the whistle, exposing wrongdoing
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Why do you hate your country?

you say there is knowledge all of this [whistle blowing, it is presumed] could have been prevented. again, explain how it could have been silenced
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Assuage could have died in a car wreck, months ago, thereby sending a very powerful message to anyone else that would do the same thing.
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justabubba said:
so you want censorship
where only what is published meets with the approval of the government
you are willing to kill to achieve that end

why is this any different than was imposed by the nazis and communists?
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Don't you see you fool?! If anyone knows that the U.S. government bribed an island nation with millions to accept released prisoners from Gitmo then our national security will be in danger! Our government must be free to bribe whoever it wants in order to achieve its policy objectives!
:soap
 
Demon of Light said:
Don't you see you fool?! If anyone knows that the U.S. government bribed an island nation with millions to accept released prisoners from Gitmo then our national security will be in danger! Our government must be free to bribe whoever it wants in order to achieve its policy objectives!
:soap
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Yeah, like the non-Taliban, Taliban leader.

I thought the world would change their view of America when Obama was elected?

They've known this stuff was in the hands of the enemy for almost half a year... and they couldn't find a way to stop this???

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TacticalEvilDan said:
US embassy cables leak sparks global diplomacy crisis | World news | guardian.co.uk

Read the whole article, there's a ****-ton of LOL in it -- especially the part where the State Department said that the reason this kind of a leak could happen was 9/11.

I guess we're supposed to accept that as a valid excuse, despite the fact that the government has had 9+ years to figure this stuff out. :lol:
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Not much here that wasn't already known by those who read Reuters and the Guardian daily.

ricksfolly
 
American said:
Bradley Manning - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I don't think this guy will ever leave prison again. He ought to be charged with treason and executed.
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Agreed.
Only in a pine box. And when he croaks he should be buried in some deep, anonymous hole somewhere in Cuba.
If this isn't deserving of execution for treason, what the hell is?
He's put scores of lives at stake, and has damaged valuable sources. I don't think there would be any shortage of volunteers to man the firing squad.

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