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Teen girl arrested for burning Koran

You are telling me that arresting people for burning korans and making cartoons of Mohamed is not akin to jailing someone for blasphemy
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She, presumably, got arrested for lighting something on fire on school grounds.

Who got arrested for "making cartoons of Mohamed"?


I think you might have invented both of the above events.


Threats are not considered hate speech.

Hate speech - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Laws concerning hate speech outside of obscenity, defamation and incitement to riot are illegal in the United States.[33][34][35] The United States federal government and state governments are broadly forbidden by the First Amendment of the Constitution from restricting speech.[36] Even in cases where speech encourages illegal violence, instances of incitement qualify as criminal only if the threat of violence is imminent.[37] This strict standard prevents prosecution of many cases of incitement, including prosecution of those advocating violent opposition to the government, and those exhorting violence against racial, ethnic, or gender minorities
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Don't expect others to read your references if you do not. I mean, c'mon, it references threats explicitly in, like, the third sentence! wth

It's nice that you proved yourself wrong, and all, but let's not furthur pretend it did not happen.

Bizarre.

As I wrote before, US hate speech laws are concerned with the imminent threat of violence against a group (I suppose person too). They have nothing to do with race, ethnicity, gender nor religion.



10 e-bucks says you don't understand hate crime legislation either.
 
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ecofarm said:
She, presumably, got arrested for lighting something on fire on school grounds.

Who got arrested for "making cartoons of Mohamed"?


I think you might have invented both of the above events.
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Liverpool Daily Post - News - Liverpool News - Atheist accused of leaving insulting religious images in Liverpool’s John Lennon airport prayer room

Atheist faces jail for leaving cartoons in prayer room | MediaWatchWatch

Belarus jails Prophet Mohammad cartoon publisher | Reuters

Scotfella: Six UK Men Jailed as Racists for Burning Koran


Don't expect others to read your references if you do not. I mean, c'mon, it references threats explicitly in, like, the third sentence! wth

It's nice that you proved yourself wrong, and all, but let's not furthur pretend it did not happen.

Bizarre.

As I wrote before, US hate speech laws are concerned with the imminent threat of violence against a group (I suppose person too). They have nothing to do with race, ethnicity, gender nor religion.
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If someone makes a threat it is not treated as hate speech but making a threat. This is nowhere near the same page as jailing a priest because he said homosexuality is a sin or because he drew a cartoon of Mohamed or burned a koran.
 
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At the risk of gloating, I'd like to make one more note about this:

It's an idea. And the only way to destroy an idea is to destroy the people who believe in it.
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Even if you could kill everyone who believed (in?) the idea, it could re-appear. In fact, the idea is more a product of the environment than a particular person's individual genius, so the recurrance is all but guaranteed.

The only way to destroy an idea is to fully discredit it.

"That until the philosophy which holds one race superior and another inferior is finally and permanently discredited and abandoned... and we know that we shall win, as we are confident in the victory of good over evil." – Haile Selassie I

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_(Bob_Marley_song)
 
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Gardener said:
"Civilizations die from suicide, not by murder" -- Arnold Toynbee.

The death wish is strong among some, isn't it?
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And Toynbee is right.

Britain was the most advanced nation in the world and now they're following the advice of third world religious fanatics, who at one time would have been dismissed as the backward lot they are. That is cultural suicide but they appear, apart from those who are leaving, determined to follow through with it.
 
jamesrage said:
If she gathered up all the Korans in the world and burned them and deleted every online version and computer document of a koran and deleted them then you might have a point.
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You might have a point somewhere as well, Jamesrage.
 
Grant said:
And Toynbee is right.

Britain was the most advanced nation in the world and now they're following the advice of third world religious fanatics, who at one time would have been dismissed as the backward lot they are. That is cultural suicide but they appear, apart from those who are leaving, determined to follow through with it.
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Emigration soars as Britons desert the UK - Telegraph

And, of course, by leaving they are exacerbating the trend. This is a 2007 article, but it provides some substance to some of the changes in British society.
 
Gardener said:
Emigration soars as Britons desert the UK - Telegraph

And, of course, by leaving they are exacerbating the trend. This is a 2007 article, but it provides some substance to some of the changes in British society.
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That trend has certainly not changed since 2007. I was browsing through some of the 'white flight' articles and the trend might even be accelerating.

Why Britain would change their rich heritage for one that is "multi-cultural" will be debated by historians for decades to come.

There's no need to stick a fork in the old girl. She's done.
 
Catering to sensitive Muslims, who aren't strong enough in their faith that they would seek violent retaliation over such a "threat to God," will not appease the European situation. Islam is a political mess across the region, not just in Britain. And no amount of appeasing nor oppressive prescription will undo the coming storm. Europeans have spent decades ensuring that Muslims weren't welcome, and plenty of Muslims living in ghettos prefernot even care about assimilation anymore. This is why so many terrorist plots are hatched right in Europe. It is the Middle East light.
 
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MSgt said:
And no amount of appeasing nor oppressive prescription will undo the coming storm.
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It's helping propel it, actually.

The philosophy of feeding the aligator hoping it will reward you by eating you last has never been a particuarly wise strategy.
 
Grant said:
You might have a point somewhere as well, Jamesrage.
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Burning one books does not destroy an idea especially when there are billions of hard copies and electronic copies.
 
MSgt said:
Catering to sensitive Muslims, who aren't strong enough in their faith that they would seek violent retaliation over such a "threat to God," will not appease the European situation. Islam is a political mess across the region, not just in Britain. And no amount of appeasing nor oppressive prescription will undo the coming storm.
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I was debating an Islamist one time on the BBC who was quite clear on his intentions about Muslims taking over Britain and I conceded that it was quite likely it might happen. I then pointed out that when it does, if it does, there would only be further chaos and fighting between different Muslim groups. He conceded that point but said it didn't really matter. The strong horse would eventually win and it would be a Muslim.

It's evolution of a sort.
 
Grant said:
I was debating an Islamist one time on the BBC who was quite clear on his intentions about Muslims taking over Britain and I conceded that it was quite likely it might happen. I then pointed out that when it does, if it does, there would only be further chaos and fighting between different Muslim groups. He conceded that point but said it didn't really matter. The strong horse would eventually win and it would be a Muslim.

It's evolution of a sort.
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The European history is rich with ethnic cleansing and genocide. Instead of developing immigration policies that welcome foriegn cultures to enrich their own, they eventually cast them out. America has gone through immigration waves that have allowed the Germans, the Italians, the Irish, Asians, Mexicans, and now Muslims. This is why we continue to "evolve," expand culture, and have a reputation for being the "New Jerusalem." France, Germany, Britain, Spain, Belgium, etc. are the same people they were centuries ago.

After decades of making Muslims feel unwelcome and without opportunity, they have formed ghettos. It is too late. If it came down to it, Europeans will ensure that Europe is for "true" Europeans.
 
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jamesrage said:
Burning one books does not destroy an idea especially when there are billions of hard copies and electronic copies.
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This is why there is truth that most radicals and extremists are merely trying to convince themselves. A religion in crisis will always lash out from insecurities.
 
jamesrage said:
-- Would a student be arrested for wearing a KKK or nazi uniform in school? Maybe in eurotrash countries that do not value free speech, but not here in the US.
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What about trashy countries that send teachers home or ban them from teaching ever again for getting students to come to school in KKK outfits? Never forget to check your own country's record before throwing stones through the glass windows of US free speech laws.

Laila said:
-- Kaffir is a offensive term for Blacks? News to me.
Let me add that to the list then.
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Kafir is the original muslim word that is now "kuffar" - "kaffir" is the deeply offensive insult that you use in Southern Africa at your own risk. Exercise free speech all you want in South Africa - but burn a cross on someone's lawn or call them a "kaffir" (it's pronounced "kefer") and you'll end up wearing a rubber tyre necklace. SgtRock is technically correct using the term "kaffir" but it's not really a common muslim insult anymore - the Boers took that over while they had power in Apartheid South Africa.

apdst said:
For someone who decends from Africa, there sure is a buncha **** you don't know.
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I was born in Africa and have travelled all over it - however there's no way I'd know everything there was to know about it. However - it would help some Americans to know "Africa" is a continent made up of many different countries, like "Europe" is a continent made up of many different countries.
 
Laila said:
Don't be so ridiculous, flogging.
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You acknowledge that flogging is ridiculous, but you have no problem with her being prosecuted for burning a book.
 
Gardener said:
Too bad she wasn't simply advocating the killing and subjugation of people instead of indulging in symbolic protest. She would have been given free television time to promote her politically correct hatred instead of being arrested.

Radical Muslims given Channel 4 slot - Telegraph
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Strange, we get criticised for not having freedom of speech and then when a publicly funded TV channel holds a 90 second free speech slot for all manner of people - it gets critised.

jamesrage said:
Being fired from a job and being arrested are two different things.
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So no consequences to her actions then?
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Strange, we get criticised for not having freedom of speech and then when a publicly funded TV channel holds a 90 second free speech slot for all manner of people - it gets critised.
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I see you lack any basic understanding of the issue.

The issue here has to do with the patent double standards you folks support when it comes to hate speech. Here, this girl only indulged in symbolic action, but those who actually advocate killing people are given free air time -- as long as they are Muslim, anyway.
 
Solace said:
She's an American citizen living in Oregon, not Iran or some bat**** crazy religious country like that.
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I wonder what would have happen had she burned a Bible. :roll:
 
American said:
I wonder what would have happen had she burned a Bible. :roll:
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The Leftists would have slashed their wrists and shed their blood, in support of her courage to make a statement and for her right of freedom of expression.
 
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