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NRA, Lubbock teen files lawsuit to decreas minimum age for concealed handgun license

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I also think the same should apply to alcohol purchase. Good for this guy though filing the law suit.
 
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I also think the same should apply to alcohol purchase. Good for this guy though filing the law suit.

agreed, I have friends who saw combat in various theaters and couldn't buy a beer when they came home on leave. They could operate a machine that costs 10 million dollars that could kill 10,000 people in a few minutes yet they couldn't get a bud lite
 
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agreed, I have friends who saw combat in various theaters and couldn't buy a beer when they came home on leave. They could operate a machine that costs 10 million dollars that could kill 10,000 people in a few minutes yet they couldn't get a bud lite

That's wrong. Could they also buy a handgun though? I would find it extremely illogical to deny a serviceman/woman the right to own a handgun because of their age despite their training in firearms and combat.
 
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That's wrong. Could they also buy a handgun though? I would find it extremely illogical to deny a serviceman/woman the right to own a handgun because of their age despite their training in firearms and combat.

right now if you are under 21 you cannot

1) buy a handgun under federal law
2) buy handgun ammunition under federal law


in some states you can possess a handgun at 18 but its illegal for someone to sell you one under federal law
 
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right now if you are under 21 you cannot

1) buy a handgun under federal law
2) buy handgun ammunition under federal law


in some states you can possess a handgun at 18 but its illegal for someone to sell you one under federal law

I think that's wrong. What is their reasoning behind keeping the age to own a handgun at 21?
 
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I think that's wrong. What is their reasoning behind keeping the age to own a handgun at 21?

Who knows-some claim (I have been involved in gun issues for over 30 years and have heard the excuses behind every gun law so many times they sort of run together) that so much crime was caused by those between 18-21 (often gangbangers) that was the reason. or that someone was mature enough to be the door gunner on a Cobra attack chopper but not mature enough to merely buy a 22 target pistol

it makes no sense and is clearly going to flunk "strict scrutiny"
 
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I agree with this suit-if someone is old enough to be drafted, executed or able to vote, he or she is old enough to buy a handgun or to carry one concealed (with the proper license)

Hopefully the SC will determine that age restriction laws against the 2nd amendment are illegal and strike them down. "Only applies to 21 and over" is not written in fine print in the second amendment, however "shall not be infringed" is written the same size of text the rest of the 2nd amendment is.
 
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Hopefully the SC will determine that age restriction laws against the 2nd amendment are illegal and strike them down. "Only applies to 21 and over" is not written in fine print in the second amendment, however "shall not be infringed" is written the same size of text the rest of the 2nd amendment is.

I think they might find requirements over 18 to be unconstitutional, possibly, but I doubt they'd rule that all age restrictions are. One could probably make a "compelling government interest" argument against ten-year-olds buying handguns.

edit: Compelling government interest is a lot harder for over-18. You'd have to show evidence that such a restriction would decrease handgun-related deaths and/or crimes, but the evidence across the board does not conclusively prove either way that handgun restrictions do any such thing.

18 seems like the reasonable spot. Officially an adult and all.

Re: booze, I sometimes wonder if we should try the German model where you can buy booze at 16 but can't drive until 18. Gives kids a couple years to learn how alcohol affects them before they start operating motor vehicles. Right now we have them learning to drive and learning to drink around the same time (because seriously, how many people actually wait until 21?)
 
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If this person is an adult by legal standards in his state he should be entitled to all the protections and privileges of being a citizen of that state.

Now having said that, allow me to tell you a little story. Nearly four decades ago my state lowered the drinking age from 21 to 18 largely based on the idea expressed by Turtle in his opening post that if you are old enough to fight for your country etc.
At the time I was working in a hotel with three night clubs and working my way through college. When I worked the clubs, my job was to take cover charges at the door. I can tell you this much - when the drinking age was lowered the number of fights escalated through the roof. Where we used to have maybe one or two fights a week, now we went to three and four times that. A few times it erupted into all out brawls which we had never had before. Inevitably, it was the younger drinkers who were in the middle of these.

This was not just happening at our place but all over the state. After a while the experiment ended and the drinking age was raised back up to 21. And the fights magically stopped or dropped back to the earlier levels.
 
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I think if your 18 you should be a full adult legally, things like buying alcohol, and guns, etc. No reason to call someone an adult, and not give them all the rights, and responsibilities that comes with it.
 
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he drinking age was lowered in about 30 states or so back in the late 60s and only lasted a few years because the number of fatalities from drunk driving went through the roof.

It was lowered because of the voting age change and this failed with awful results, until it was ended and the age went back to 21. The draft was also a factor.

In a military situation an 18 year old in under very tight supervision at all times and has been trained at length in the proper care and use of a weapon, and I agree there are some 18 year olds who have the maturity to qualify for a permit once they pass a test.

However the logic that is being applied I fear will not hold up when one takes into account all the factors that are in need of consideration.

The crime rate for the age in question, that are violent, the numbers of gang members in that age group, what will be the other criteria required.

I don't agree the all citizens over 21 should be allowed to carry concealed weapons without some training and being tested and having a thorough back ground test, prior to being issued a permit.

I have owned guns since I was 12 and know more than most about firearms of all types and I welcomed the class I was required to take before being allowed to carry a concealed weapon.

There are important laws that should be learned in advance of carrying a deadly weapon as to what circumstances permit it's use.

Some people can deal with the awesome responsibility and other can't. It's like being a supervisor on the job, some do a great job and earn the respect of his subordinates while others who were great at being an hourly worker and even a pal can have the responsibility go to their head and they suck as a boss.

We let 16 year olds drive cars and they can be deadly weapons but only a fool would suggest allowing them to drink beer or carry a concealed weapon.

It sounds good and there might be some cases where they might be just fine, but on the whole I appose the idea, because studies show the brain does not reach maturity until age 25, and while you may have been an exception or at least think you were that facts remain.
 
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he drinking age was lowered in about 30 states or so back in the late 60s and only lasted a few years because the number of fatalities from drunk driving went through the roof.

It was lowered because of the voting age change and this failed with awful results, until it was ended and the age went back to 21. The draft was also a factor.

In a military situation an 18 year old in under very tight supervision at all times and has been trained at length in the proper care and use of a weapon, and I agree there are some 18 year olds who have the maturity to qualify for a permit once they pass a test.

However the logic that is being applied I fear will not hold up when one takes into account all the factors that are in need of consideration.

The crime rate for the age in question, that are violent, the numbers of gang members in that age group, what will be the other criteria required.

I don't agree the all citizens over 21 should be allowed to carry concealed weapons without some training and being tested and having a thorough back ground test, prior to being issued a permit.

I have owned guns since I was 12 and know more than most about firearms of all types and I welcomed the class I was required to take before being allowed to carry a concealed weapon.

There are important laws that should be learned in advance of carrying a deadly weapon as to what circumstances permit it's use.

Some people can deal with the awesome responsibility and other can't. It's like being a supervisor on the job, some do a great job and earn the respect of his subordinates while others who were great at being an hourly worker and even a pal can have the responsibility go to their head and they suck as a boss.

We let 16 year olds drive cars and they can be deadly weapons but only a fool would suggest allowing them to drink beer or carry a concealed weapon.

It sounds good and there might be some cases where they might be just fine, but on the whole I appose the idea, because studies show the brain does not reach maturity until age 25, and while you may have been an exception or at least think you were that facts remain.

If someone is old enough to face capital punishment at 18 or to vote, there is no sound reason to treat them differently for buying a pistol. I doubt this law will survive the courts
 
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There should be one age of adulthood. Anything else means that 18-20 year olds are being denied privileges based on their age while having to accept all the responsibilities of adulthood. There is no responsibility of adulthood that starts after 18, so there shouldn't be any privileges/rights of adulthood that are denied either.

If the government doesn't feel that 18 year olds are mature enough to drink or own guns, then they need to change the legal age of adulthood to 21. I don't agree with this change, but at least it would make the laws level and fair.
 
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Who knows-some claim (I have been involved in gun issues for over 30 years and have heard the excuses behind every gun law so many times they sort of run together) that so much crime was caused by those between 18-21 (often gangbangers) that was the reason.

I would love to hear someone try to explain with a straight face how a law limiting legal handgun purchases to people over 21 would keep a gangbanger from:

1) buying a gun on the street, or
2) having an older gangbanger buy a gun.
 
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If someone is old enough to face capital punishment at 18 or to vote, there is no sound reason to treat them differently for buying a pistol. I doubt this law will survive the courts

We'll see but I think it will because the simple logic which sounds good was used on the drinking age and public safety won out in the end, and there is no telling how many lives have been saved because of it.

Can you imagine places like east L.A. if all those punks were allowed to buy and or carry guns.

If 18 year old's are allowed to buy and have guns there will be a lot more killings than there are and it's already so bad that I won't even consider going to parts San Diego, or Los Angeles day or night packing or not, because it is flat out dangerous, and know that almost every major city that has places just as bad for your health.
 
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We'll see but I think it will because the simple logic which sounds good was used on the drinking age and public safety won out in the end, and there is no telling how many lives have been saved because of it.

Can you imagine places like east L.A. if all those punks were allowed to buy and or carry guns.

If 18 year old's are allowed to buy and have guns there will be a lot more killings than there are and it's already so bad that I won't even consider going to parts San Diego, or Los Angeles day or night packing or not, because it is flat out dangerous, and know that almost every major city that has places just as bad for your health.

Read RightingNYC post above. If a gangbanger wants a gun, he's getting a gun.
 
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We'll see but I think it will because the simple logic which sounds good was used on the drinking age and public safety won out in the end, and there is no telling how many lives have been saved because of it.

Can you imagine places like east L.A. if all those punks were allowed to buy and or carry guns.

If 18 year old's are allowed to buy and have guns there will be a lot more killings than there are and it's already so bad that I won't even consider going to parts San Diego, or Los Angeles day or night packing or not, because it is flat out dangerous, and know that almost every major city that has places just as bad for your health.

drinking isn't a fundamental constitutional right

kids who would kill you for no reason or to protect drug turf already have handguns
 
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