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DeLay convicted of money laundering charges

Redress said:
I have no problem with either going to jail. You keep trying to make a big deal out of something that totally isn't. I stated, and think that corruption should be punished, no matter who did it, and have said this repeatedly, no matter who it was, or what party they belong to. I also don't play the finger pointing game to try and hide liberal corruption that you do to hide conservative corruption.

Stop misrepresenting what I think.
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Very late to the thread. Don't know what all points have been made.

Does appear Delay broke the law. And for that he should be held to account. May deserve some jail time but from the details I have followed in the case, it certainly won't (and shouldn't be) any long term incarceration. No indication that Delay benefited with any personal enrichment from his crimes. Which does distinguish him notably from Rangel's situation. And there are some questions about just how much direct involvement Delay had with the movement of that campaign money.

As noted, if he (Delay) broke the law he should be held accountable. But details of the case matter. Particularly when sentencing decisions are being made by the judge.....


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Conservative said:
DeLay didn't do anything wrong according to that testimony and he was convicted by a bunch of people just like you, partisan liberals who paid no attention to the testimony.
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Even though DeLay WANTED only liberals on his jury, a few righties snuck in.

Earlier in the trial, DeLay had quipped that he wanted liberals on his jury because they were more empathetic. The six man, six woman jury, drawn from an Austin-area jury pool, a region of the state known for its staunch Democratic leanings, was made up of six Democrats, one Republican, three independent liberals and two independent conservatives, according to the Houston Chronicle. --Time
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Hm. Maybe it was the mean old righties who convinced the empathetic lefties to convict! :lamo
 
Glinda said:
Even though DeLay WANTED only liberals on his jury, a few righties snuck in.



Hm. Maybe it was the mean old righties who convinced the empathetic lefties to convict! :lamo
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Comes a point in the issue that even conservatives are capable of embarrassment...
 
UtahBill said:
Comes a point in the issue that even conservatives are capable of embarrassment...
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I am embarrassed every day for our country with the fact that the "swamp" wasn't drained but in fact became more infected during the last 4 years. Although the focus of this thread is on DeLay, the real problem goes much deeper and rests with career politicians who have spent too much time inside the beltway becoming infected with "entitlement" disease, they can do whatever they want, whenever they want, and the hell with the "will of the people."

Most of the time "personal gain" is the issue in determining punishment but personal gain is ignored when Democrats judge their own. DeLay didn't benefit personally and although it was determined by a jury that he was guilty the belief is the verdict will be overturned on appeal.
 
Conservative said:
I am embarrassed every day for our country with the fact that the "swamp" wasn't drained but in fact became more infected during the last 4 years. Although the focus of this thread is on DeLay, the real problem goes much deeper and rests with career politicians who have spent too much time inside the beltway becoming infected with "entitlement" disease, they can do whatever they want, whenever they want, and the hell with the "will of the people."

Most of the time "personal gain" is the issue in determining punishment but personal gain is ignored when Democrats judge their own. DeLay didn't benefit personally and although it was determined by a jury that he was guilty the belief is the verdict will be overturned on appeal.
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The GOP does the same thing when judging their own...and personal gain now may not be the reward as much as political gain later.
Certainly if Delay had been judged by a jury of his peers, the jury would have had consisted of corrupt politicians.
 
Re: Ex-House Leader DeLay Found Guilty in Texas Case

Assuming this is not reversed on appeal, DeLay should get the maximum sentence prescribed by law. There is no place in politics (well, there SHOULD be no place) for this type of thing.

There... I'm a Republican and Conservative, and I think he should rot in jail.... tell me I'm a partisan hack now.
 
Re: Ex-House Leader DeLay Found Guilty in Texas Case

Whovian said:
Assuming this is not reversed on appeal, DeLay should get the maximum sentence prescribed by law. There is no place in politics (well, there SHOULD be no place) for this type of thing.

There... I'm a Republican and Conservative, and I think he should rot in jail.... tell me I'm a partisan hack now.
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Here is a pretty good recap of the DeLay case. Wonder if anything like this goes on in Democrat bastions like New York, California, Illinois?

Tom DeLay campaign finance investigation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Re: Ex-House Leader DeLay Found Guilty in Texas Case

I always thought Delay represented perhaps the worst of what the GOP had to offer, as they became entrenched in congress. He talked fiscal responsibility, as did Junior, yet practiced an entirely different thing althogether. When pressed on that, he had other excuses.

Also, he had a way of making himself stick out, like a nail needing to be hammered. Obviously this is happening. My guess is that the conviction will be overturned, but regardless he is forever tainted, and the classic example of what Not to do in the future.

Will the GOP learn from their mistakes? Perhaps, but one things is certain: the GOP leadership is totally clueless, and gutless, when it comes to doing the right thing. I despise all of them, starting with Karl Rove, and the other members of the Ruling Class, in the Republican Wing of the Big Government Party. I tend to label them as the "C&Gs" because they really are clueless and gutless.

But I dislike the Jackasses even more, because they're............well, Jackasses. What more can be said?

Anyway, goodbye Tom Delay. Perhaps you can get your cell-mate to teach you better dancing techniques.
 
Re: Texas jury convicts Tom DeLay on money laundering charges

Conservative said:
Love how someone from Minneapolis is such an expert on something that happened in TX. Wouldn't be any bias on your part, would there be? Charles Rangel, Maxine Waters, Bob Livingston, Tim Geithner ring a bell? What they did was far worse than anything DeLay did. I live in TX by the way.
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My father lives in Texas so I am a Texas legal expert now.

I heard lawyers in L.A. said that O.J. was innocent. :lol:
 
Re: Texas jury convicts Tom DeLay on money laundering charges

Mustachio said:
Sorry, not interested in this conversation. Only interested in talking about Tom DeLay in the Tom DeLay thread. Something you haven't done, by the way. You haven't said anything about him, just attacked others. I guess that's proof of how wrong you are.
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He's defending him like it affects his family. ;)
 
Conservative said:
DeLay has been out of office for 8 years now, Waters, Rangel, and Geitner are still holding down their jobs. DeLay resigned doing what was right, Democrats don't believe they did anything wrong and hang on for dear life.
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Why would Delay resign if he isn't guilty?
 
Re: Texas jury convicts Tom DeLay on money laundering charges

Conservative said:
Coming from someone from San Francisco, I don't really have much respect for your opinions on a case you know nothing about.
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I expect you to hold yourself to this strict standard. You are only going to discuss Texas issues, right? There is no possible way you can understand anything that happens outside of Texas.
 
Re: Texas jury convicts Tom DeLay on money laundering charges

Conservative said:
One is innocent until proven guilty, this will be reversed on appeal. You haven't seen or heard the testimony and simply pile on because it is DeLay. Those in TX know that the prosecutors didn't make their case. If it isn't reversed I will do what liberals like you never can do, admit that Iwas wrong and apologize.
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He was proven guilty. :lol:

Why don't you support your case by posting the pertinent testimony?

What? You are taking some lawyers from Houston's word on it? :rofl
 
Re: Texas jury convicts Tom DeLay on money laundering charges

Conservative said:
So why don't you lay out the testimony of the trial for us all since you are such an expert? My bet is you don't have a clue as usual.
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So why don't you lay out the testimony of the trial for us all since you are such an expert? My bet is you don't have a clue as usual.
 
Conservative said:
What is this case all about, randel? What was DeLay convicted of doing? It was you talking about "defeating the will of the people" which just goes to show that you don't understand what DeLay was convicted of doing and the recent TX election results prove that. Do you know what redistricting is? Do you understand the difference between voting for a Representative and the total vote in the state? Think redistricting had anything to do with the total vote in the state?
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delay was convicted of illegally funneling corporate money to elect republican candidates to the legislature in texas...do you know what this was all about? or is your continued defense of him just a kneejerk reaction because he has an R in front of his name? you know, people outside of texas do understand what the case is about, and we are not all just knuckle dragging dolts....
 
randel said:
delay was convicted of illegally funneling corporate money to elect republican candidates to the legislature in texas...do you know what this was all about? or is your continued defense of him just a kneejerk reaction because he has an R in front of his name? you know, people outside of texas do understand what the case is about, and we are not all just knuckle dragging dolts....
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The subject of debate and certainly open for discussion

we are not all just knuckle dragging dolts
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Now let's see how the appeals court rules as you stated what you read in the newspaper. I posted the link for the timeline and will post some of the transcript later that calls into question the charges. The fact is the Defense was prepared to put DeLay on the stand but didn't because they believed like many of the attorneys in Houston that they didn't need to. We shall see but in the meantime have fun with your biased, partisan opinions that have absolutely nothing to do with you or in general the country. This case certainly provides a good diversion for people like you who need a break from the disaster that Democrats have made of the current economy.

This case gives DeLay a black eye as if he didn't have one in the first place especially in the eyes of liberals.
 
Conservative said:
The subject of debate and certainly open for discussion



Now let's see how the appeals court rules as you stated what you read in the newspaper. I posted the link for the timeline and will post some of the transcript later that calls into question the charges. The fact is the Defense was prepared to put DeLay on the stand but didn't because they believed like many of the attorneys in Houston that they didn't need to. We shall see but in the meantime have fun with your biased, partisan opinions that have absolutely nothing to do with you or in general the country. This case certainly provides a good diversion for people like you who need a break from the disaster that Democrats have made of the current economy.

This case gives DeLay a black eye as if he didn't have one in the first place especially in the eyes of liberals.
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the man was convicted by a jury of his peers...i'm sure he will get his due process, and multiple appeals...why the constant push to bring democrats and the obama administration into the debate? they had nothing to do with what delay did, the topic is about delay...
 
randel said:
the man was convicted by a jury of his peers...i'm sure he will get his due process, and multiple appeals...why the constant push to bring democrats and the obama administration into the debate? they had nothing to do with what delay did, the topic is about delay...
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The topic of DeLay brings in the overall corruption in politics and the biased, partisan rhetoric on both sides. Those that jump for joy at the conviction of Tom DeLay do so out of partisanship and ignore that what DeLay was convicted of doing is no different that what happens all over the country in Democrat controlled states. The facts of the case were ignored and what DeLay did will be overturned on appeal because the facts don't justify the conviction. Redistricting had nothing to do with the massive defeat of Obama in TX and the recent Legislative losses by Democrats in Nov. 2010. You have such little faith in people which is probably due to the fact that you judge everyone else by your own actions.
 
Conservative said:
The topic of DeLay brings in the overall corruption in politics and the biased, partisan rhetoric on both sides. Those that jump for joy at the conviction of Tom DeLay do so out of partisanship and ignore that what DeLay was convicted of doing is no different that what happens all over the country in Democrat controlled states. The facts of the case were ignored and what DeLay did will be overturned on appeal because the facts don't justify the conviction. Redistricting had nothing to do with the massive defeat of Obama in TX and the recent Legislative losses by Democrats in Nov. 2010. You have such little faith in people which is probably due to the fact that you judge everyone else by your own actions.
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I hope he gets paroled.;)
 
Conservative said:
The topic of DeLay brings in the overall corruption in politics and the biased, partisan rhetoric on both sides. Those that jump for joy at the conviction of Tom DeLay do so out of partisanship and ignore that what DeLay was convicted of doing is no different that what happens all over the country in Democrat controlled states. The facts of the case were ignored and what DeLay did will be overturned on appeal because the facts don't justify the conviction. Redistricting had nothing to do with the massive defeat of Obama in TX and the recent Legislative losses by Democrats in Nov. 2010. You have such little faith in people which is probably due to the fact that you judge everyone else by your own actions.
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there are threads about democrats, rangel being one...discuss it there...this thread is about delay.
 
Conservative said:
The topic of DeLay brings in the overall corruption in politics and the biased, partisan rhetoric on both sides. Those that jump for joy at the conviction of Tom DeLay do so out of partisanship and ignore that what DeLay was convicted of doing is no different that what happens all over the country in Democrat controlled states.
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And those who claim that people should be viewed "innocent until proven guilty" and will win their appeal shouldn't judge people who haven't stood trial.

You don't understand what happens in Democrat controlled states because you don't live there. :2razz:
 
Conservative said:
The topic of DeLay brings in the overall corruption in politics and the biased, partisan rhetoric on both sides. Those that jump for joy at the conviction of Tom DeLay do so out of partisanship and ignore that what DeLay was convicted of doing is no different that what happens all over the country in Democrat controlled states. The facts of the case were ignored and what DeLay did will be overturned on appeal because the facts don't justify the conviction. Redistricting had nothing to do with the massive defeat of Obama in TX and the recent Legislative losses by Democrats in Nov. 2010. You have such little faith in people which is probably due to the fact that you judge everyone else by your own actions.
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again, recent election results have nothing to do with what delay was convicted of, and i'm at a loss as to why you keep bringing them up.
 
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