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DeLay convicted of money laundering charges

randel said:
i'm starting to think you have a serious comprehension problem, as you can't seem to understand that we are not talking about the recent rounds of elections....we are talking about tom delay, as difficult as it is for you, please stay on topic.
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What is this case all about, randel? What was DeLay convicted of doing? It was you talking about "defeating the will of the people" which just goes to show that you don't understand what DeLay was convicted of doing and the recent TX election results prove that. Do you know what redistricting is? Do you understand the difference between voting for a Representative and the total vote in the state? Think redistricting had anything to do with the total vote in the state?
 
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Conservative said:
No one likes to be criticized, no question about it however, it is part of life just like it is a responsibility of all to admit when wrong which I will do if this verdict isn't overturned. Too many here believe it was a miscarriage of justice and will be overturned so I am waiting for the case to play out, not the current verdict as that isn't the end of the issue.

I simply pointed out the rhetoric coming out of Houston from open minded attorneys and not political ideologues on either side. I also pointed out the actual election results which had nothing to do with redistricting as some would have you believe. The total vote IS the will of the people. Tom DeLay had nothing to do with generating the total vote.

I have never been to Logan but I have been to Austin. It is in the Hill Country of TX and is indeed a nice area, just too far left for me and expensive. I just wish the rich liberal billionaires and supporters would put their money where their mouth is and send extra contributions to the govt. instead of trying to spread liberal misery equally to all others.
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one man's liberal misery is another man's spreading the wealth....:2razz:
 
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UtahBill said:
one man's liberal misery is another man's spreading the wealth....:2razz:
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Do you realize that it is the individual's choice to spread the wealth, not the Government's?
 
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Conservative said:
Do you realize that it is the individual's choice to spread the wealth, not the Government's?
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You do understand the role of the individual in a representative democracy don't you?
 
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haymarket said:
You do understand the role of the individual in a representative democracy don't you?
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Absolutely but none of that negates the total vote of the state which is the true will of the majority of people in that state. How did Tom DeLay affect the total will of the people of TX?
 
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haymarket said:
You do understand the role of the individual in a representative democracy don't you?
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you do understand that we have way too much representation for those who do not suffer taxation and that was anathema to those who founded the country.

it works well for your dem masters though
 
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Conservative said:
Absolutely but none of that negates the total vote of the state which is the true will of the majority of people in that state. How did Tom DeLay affect the total will of the people of TX?
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he didn't, this prosecution was a classic case of "gotcha" and I believe that the prosecution will take some serious hits on appeal
 
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Conservative said:
Absolutely but none of that negates the total vote of the state which is the true will of the majority of people in that state. How did Tom DeLay affect the total will of the people of TX?
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Tom Delay was accused of breaking the law and representatives of the People of Texas prosecuted him. Last time I looked, even the great state of Texas had not put criminal prosecutions up for a popular vote. Or have I missed that one?
 
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TurtleDude said:
you do understand that we have way too much representation for those who do not suffer taxation and that was anathema to those who founded the country.

it works well for your dem masters though
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You just can't keep from going to that rope factory and filling up the truck can you? "too much representation" - its really amazing.
 
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TurtleDude said:
he didn't, this prosecution was a classic case of "gotcha" and I believe that the prosecution will take some serious hits on appeal
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That seems to be the belief of most attorneys in Houston. I couldn't believe that DeLay allowed the trial to happen in Austin and didn't fight for a change in venue.
 
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Conservative said:
That seems to be the belief of most attorneys in Houston. I couldn't believe that DeLay allowed the trial to happen in Austin and didn't fight for a change in venue.
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Is Austin not part of Texas?
 
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Conservative said:
That seems to be the belief of most attorneys in Houston. I couldn't believe that DeLay allowed the trial to happen in Austin and didn't fight for a change in venue.
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arrogance appears to be Delay's most obvious flaw so maybe he couldn't believe he would be convicted on what may be an ex post facto application of the law. I have seen lots of criminal appeals-lets wait and see what happens
 
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haymarket said:
Tom Delay was accused of breaking the law and representatives of the People of Texas prosecuted him. Last time I looked, even the great state of Texas had not put criminal prosecutions up for a popular vote. Or have I missed that one?
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That is very true but we have a legal system that allows for appeals and as stated there are many attorneys in this city that believe the verdict will be overturned. Where will you be then?

Since when have liberals believed in the will of the people? Whenever the will of the people is put to a vote and that vote doesn't turn out the way the liberal elite or minority believes they find some activist judge to overturn that majority vote. Apparently the will of the people only matters on certain issues.
 
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TurtleDude said:
arrogance appears to be Delay's most obvious flaw so maybe he couldn't believe he would be convicted on what may be an ex post facto application of the law. I have seen lots of criminal appeals-lets wait and see what happens
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He indeed does display arrogance which probably did play a role here. Amazing that every night on local TV here a couple of attorneys gave their analysis of the day's court proceedings and they kep stating that the DA didn't make their case that day and that the end of the trial they predicted acquital. Tom DeLay didn't testify because the Defense thought they had won the case and didn't need to put him on the stand. The shock was quite evident when the verdict was read, by most attorneys here.
 
apdst said:
You and Redress, both, missed the point. Which is: why are people excited that Delay may be going to jail, for life, yet aren't all that tweaked that Rangel isn't going to jail for even 5 minutes.
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I have no problem with either going to jail. You keep trying to make a big deal out of something that totally isn't. I stated, and think that corruption should be punished, no matter who did it, and have said this repeatedly, no matter who it was, or what party they belong to. I also don't play the finger pointing game to try and hide liberal corruption that you do to hide conservative corruption.

Stop misrepresenting what I think.
 
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Conservative said:
Do you realize that it is the individual's choice to spread the wealth, not the Government's?
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I would prefer that the govt stay out of it, but when the wealth of "individuals" AND corporations is sitting stagnant in low or non-producing savings accounts, the govt feels the need to use taxpayer funds to "stimulate".

Get off your duff and go shopping, America !!!!
 
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Conservative said:
That is very true but we have a legal system that allows for appeals and as stated there are many attorneys in this city that believe the verdict will be overturned. Where will you be then?

Since when have liberals believed in the will of the people? Whenever the will of the people is put to a vote and that vote doesn't turn out the way the liberal elite or minority believes they find some activist judge to overturn that majority vote. Apparently the will of the people only matters on certain issues.
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The will of the people plays well, until it is your ox being gored...then you want the supreme court to override the will of the people.
And rightfully so, else we would be stuck in the past somewhere with Jim Crow laws and women denied the vote....
 
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UtahBill said:
The will of the people plays well, until it is your ox being gored...then you want the supreme court to override the will of the people.
And rightfully so, else we would be stuck in the past somewhere with Jim Crow laws and women denied the vote....
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Thus the Constitution was amended to give women the right to vote and that is exactly what is going to happen with pet projects of liberals like gay marriage. These liberals are going to get the majority in this country to act and liberals aren't going to like the outcome.
 
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Conservative said:
Thus the Constitution was amended to give women the right to vote and that is exactly what is going to happen with pet projects of liberals like gay marriage. These liberals are going to get the majority in this country to act and liberals aren't going to like the outcome.
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Insurrection? Revolution? Death camps for the liberals?
or will we just have a new law that says Republicans only pay less taxes? If that won't increase your membership, nothing will...:2wave:
 
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UtahBill said:
Insurrection? Revolution? Death camps for the liberals?
or will we just have a new law that says Republicans only pay less taxes? If that won't increase your membership, nothing will...:2wave:
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Getting way off topic here but to answer your question, I really don't care what you pay in taxes or how much you make. I am funny like that and promote your right to earn as much as you can and then letting you spend that money the way you see fit.
 
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Conservative said:
Getting way off topic here but to answer your question, I really don't care what you pay in taxes or how much you make. I am funny like that and promote your right to earn as much as you can and then letting you spend that money the way you see fit.
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with no obligation to the government that provided the infrastructure that supports our abilitly to earn money?
When politicians seek to pervert the system to override the legal will of the people, what then?

Delay got caught, as did Rangel, and many more politicians of many professed ideologies that they conveniently forget when they get close to the public purse...it isn't only power that corrupts.
 
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UtahBill said:
with no obligation to the government that provided the infrastructure that supports our abilitly to earn money?
When politicians seek to pervert the system to override the legal will of the people, what then?

Delay got caught, as did Rangel, and many more politicians of many professed ideologies that they conveniently forget when they get close to the public purse...it isn't only power that corrupts.
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We shall see if DeLay broke the law as it now appears but this is being appealed. A lot of legal minds disagree with the jury and I doubt that many here really understood what this case was all about and just see the guilty verdict and rejoice because it is DeLay.

Regarding the need for infrastructure money, this is something that many always use as an argument. There is no question that had the money collected from gasoline taxes been used for the sole purpose of our infrastructure we wouldn't have an infrastructure problem. The problem with this govt. is they are addicted to spending and that is what we have, a spending problem not a revenue problem. As long as we have people here that ignore that and buy what the media and liberal elites claim the problem is never going to be solved. Stop taking use taxes and putting that money into the general fund to be wasted on social programs beyond the scope required of the govt. Use money? Excise taxes collected on gasoline purchases, SS money collected on each paycheck! These funds should be in a "lockbox" but are part of the general fund as per the Treasury financial statement

Income line items,

Current Report: Combined Statement of Receipts, Outlays, and Balances of the United States Government (Combined Statement): Publications & Guidance: Financial Management Service

Individual Income tax

Corporate Taxes

SS/Unemploy/Other

Excise Taxes
 
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Conservative said:
We shall see if DeLay broke the law as it now appears but this is being appealed. A lot of legal minds disagree with the jury and I doubt that many here really understood what this case was all about and just see the guilty verdict and rejoice because it is DeLay.

Regarding the need for infrastructure money, this is something that many always use as an argument. There is no question that had the money collected from gasoline taxes been used for the sole purpose of our infrastructure we wouldn't have an infrastructure problem. The problem with this govt. is they are addicted to spending and that is what we have, a spending problem not a revenue problem. As long as we have people here that ignore that and buy what the media and liberal elites claim the problem is never going to be solved. Stop taking use taxes and putting that money into the general fund to be wasted on social programs beyond the scope required of the govt. Use money? Excise taxes collected on gasoline purchases, SS money collected on each paycheck! These funds should be in a "lockbox" but are part of the general fund as per the Treasury financial statement

Income line items,

Current Report: Combined Statement of Receipts, Outlays, and Balances of the United States Government (Combined Statement): Publications & Guidance: Financial Management Service

Individual Income tax

Corporate Taxes

SS/Unemploy/Other

Excise Taxes
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A jury convicted him, that is the system we have. If they said he is guilty, he no longer has the right to presumption of innocence til proven guilty. No doubt when the next GOP president gets elected, Delay will get a free pass on this.

Anybody who thinks there is a level playing field in govt or Wall Street is living in denial. Both are corrupt, neither care for the average citizen except during campaign season, then they fake sincerity better than any Oscar winner ever has...
 
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