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DeLay convicted of money laundering charges

Re: Texas jury convicts Tom DeLay on money laundering charges

sokpupet said:
Steal a little, go to jail; undermine the representative democracy? "Ouch that hurt, don't slap my wrist so hard!"
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How many times has some white collar crook stolen many millions of dollars, and got fined only thousands...it is like the govt is saying, " you have been a bad boy, and got caught, so we have to fine you, but you will get to keep most of it...
 
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UtahBill said:
How many times has some white collar crook stolen many millions of dollars, and got fined only thousands...it is like the govt is saying, " you have been a bad boy, and got caught, so we have to fine you, but you will get to keep most of it...
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here is my view-prison should be used to physically incapacitate those who pose a physical risk to others. not to house non violent criminals who can be punished other ways such as fines or making them work for the public. and civil or criminal forfeitures are rather effective in divesting frauds of their ill gotten gains
 
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TurtleDude said:
here is my view-prison should be used to physically incapacitate those who pose a physical risk to others. s
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Oh you mean those people that own guns and or posses knowledge in the martial arts, grasshopper.
 
To me overturning his conviction would be the miscarriage of justice.

Sometimes when I see a corrupt politician get convicted I have hope that the mess can be cleaned up but then I remember there are so many that are corrupt still there (on both sides) and more lining up to take their place I again lose all hope.
 
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UtahBill said:
Wishful thinking....
even if it happens, he will always be guilty of not having an ounce of respect for law.
Every politician who breaches the public trust should be exiled, to Texas.:2razz:
Clearly GOP Texans love their crooked politicians....

To be honest, tho, I doubt Texans can ever achieve the level of Chicago crookedness...
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I quite frankly don't care one way or the other but would love to see liberals back peddling and simply shutting up. The evidence really doesn't warrant the verdict and that is actual attorneys in Houston say. Had they thought this verdict would be guilty, DeLay would have gone on the stands. It was a total shock.

Sorry, Utah, but my state is better than yours, so there just like my mommie can beat up yours
 
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UtahBill said:
How many times has some white collar crook stolen many millions of dollars, and got fined only thousands...it is like the govt is saying, " you have been a bad boy, and got caught, so we have to fine you, but you will get to keep most of it...
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Yeah. They should send him to prision and hopefully some of his jailmates will make him Dance:3oops:
 
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What is interesting is that where I am temporarily residing, in North Carolina, the last governor, Mike Easley, just worked a plea deal, and was slapped on the hand. Sort of makes one wonder hos one can by with practically nothing happening, while others receive worse. personally I think there should be special accounting for corrupt politicians.

Perhaps having a cinder block tied around the ankle, and dropped off a boat, about one hundred metres from shore, with a promise of freedom once they make it back to land?
 
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Conservative said:
Tell me what affect he had on you based upon this case? Do Maxine Waters, Charles Rangel, and Tim Geithner ring a bell with you? Compare the crimes. I could also add Sheila Jackson Lee along with hundreds of other politicians to the list. You see DeLay with a R after his name and ignore far worse crimes from Democrats.
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Don't bring up the leftwinger #2 idol, Charlie Rangel. I mean he's the guy who made sure for years that there was sufficient funds for leftwinger welfare checks. :lol:
 
Re: Texas jury convicts Tom DeLay on money laundering charges

Conservative said:
I quite frankly don't care one way or the other but would love to see liberals back peddling and simply shutting up. The evidence really doesn't warrant the verdict and that is actual attorneys in Houston say. Had they thought this verdict would be guilty, DeLay would have gone on the stands. It was a total shock.

Sorry, Utah, but my state is better than yours, so there just like my mommie can beat up yours
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the evidence was enough to convince a jury of his peers that he was guilty, and at this moment, those are the only opinions that matter....
 
TurtleDude said:
you do understand that shyster is not the correct term to apply to a major league defense attorney...
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Million dollar lawyer....LOL

Dick DeGuerin introduced into evidence, DeLay's calender, to show that Delay's meetings with Jim Ellis (Director of DeLay's political action committee, Americans for a Republican Majority Political Action Committee -ARMPAC) was before and after the money swap.

Except for one tiny detail. Prosecutor Mathews, using that same calender, showed that Ellis was also in a group of people who had a meeting with DeLay Sept. 11, 2002, right after after Ellis received the TRMPAC check.


“I just missed that one,” DeGuerin said sheepishly afterward, noting he only had obtained the calendar on Sunday. “The (Sept. 11) meeting was with a bunch of other people.”

DeLay calendar evidence turned against him
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randel said:
the evidence was enough to convince a jury of his peers that he was guilty, and at this moment, those are the only opinions that matter....
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Tom DeLay was convicted of violating TX LAW which for some reason creates great joy for people outside of TX. The question has been raised whether that law was even in effect when DeLay was accused of doing what he was convicted of doing. The case is being appealed and I wonder if you will have the same passion when the verdict is overturned as you have right now? My bet is you will ignore your actions today and will be nowhere to be seen when that verdict is overturned.
 
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Conservative
why do feel it so necessary to strongly defend such a felon convicted of violating the public trust?
 
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haymarket said:
Conservative
why do feel it so necessary to strongly defend such a felon convicted of violating the public trust?
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I could ask you the same question, why do you feet it so necessary to strongly defend a conviction made on TX Law that was changed in Sept. 2003 to re-indict Tom DeLay for an action in 2002? Do you think that changing the law is appropriate to go back and prosecute someone for actions taken before the law was in place?
 
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haymarket said:
Conservative
why do feel it so necessary to strongly defend such a felon convicted of violating the public trust?
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The Farce is strong with this one....
With rare exception, our problems in life are usuallly self inflicted. Delay got too arrogant for his own good.
Here is some interesting reading...

Wapedia - Wiki: List of American politicians convicted of crimes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_scandals_of_the_United_States#State_scandals
 
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Re: Texas jury convicts Tom DeLay on money laundering charges

Conservative said:
I could ask you the same question, why do you feet it so necessary to strongly defend a conviction made on TX Law that was changed in Sept. 2003 to re-indict Tom DeLay for an action in 2002? Do you think that changing the law is appropriate to go back and prosecute someone for actions taken before the law was in place?
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The scumbag got what he deserved in a court of law and was found guilty by a jury after presenting his own defense by his own attorney before an impartial judge. I have no complaint about it.
 
Re: Texas jury convicts Tom DeLay on money laundering charges

Conservative said:
I could ask you the same question, why do you feet it so necessary to strongly defend a conviction made on TX Law that was changed in Sept. 2003 to re-indict Tom DeLay for an action in 2002? Do you think that changing the law is appropriate to go back and prosecute someone for actions taken before the law was in place?
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one would think the defense would have raised that argument during the trial to allow the convict to avoid conviction
ooops, they did
notice how ineffective that argument was at trial
it has the same result here
 
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I still remember how it was all just partisan hype and a witch hunt.
 
Re: Texas jury convicts Tom DeLay on money laundering charges

haymarket said:
The scumbag got what he deserved in a court of law and was found guilty by a jury after presenting his own defense by his own attorney before an impartial judge. I have no complaint about it.
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Noticed that you didn't respond to the information I posted but instead let your personal political ideology rule. The basis for appeal will be that the law he was convicted of violating didn't exist when the actions were supposedly done.
 
Re: Texas jury convicts Tom DeLay on money laundering charges

justabubba said:
one would think the defense would have raised that argument during the trial to allow the convict to avoid conviction
ooops, they did
notice how ineffective that argument was at trial
it has the same result here
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Are you going to apologize when the verdict is overturned? The law was changed in 2003 for an action that occurred in 2002. Explain why you care about something that happened in the state of TX, something that goes on in every state in the country but isn't a big deal, especially in NY, Illinois, California, or any other Democrat bastion.
 
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and will you publicly eat crow when it is not? Or will you engage in the weeping and gnashing of teeth because 'justice was denied' to a scumbag who you happened to politically agree with?
 
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haymarket said:
and will you publicly eat crow when it is not? Or will you engage in the weeping and gnashing of teeth because 'justice was denied' to a scumbag who you happened to politically agree with?
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Absolutely, how many times do I have to state that. When I am wrong I apologize, when a liberal is wrong they run and ignore it. Please tell me how Tom DeLay hurt you or anyone else outside of TX? The explain to me how redistricting caused Obama to lose the state by over a million votes? How Cornyn and Perry won in a landslide? This was a political witch hunt and I find it interesting that those outside of TX are posting with great glee activities that didn't affect them and is probably going on in their own state.
 
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Well then don't we all sit back and await the future to unfold before we start celebrating it?
 
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Simon W. Moon said:
I still remember how it was all just partisan hype and a witch hunt.
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It was partisan hype and a witch hunt. How does what DeLay was convicted of doing affect you or anyone in your state? You have such little faith in the American people as you ignore once again that lobbyists don't vote on any issue and in spite of what DeLay is convicted of doing TX remains a strongly conservative state, one that Obama lost by over a million votes. Cornyn and Perry won in landslides so who did DeLay affect those outcomes?
 
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Conservative said:
Tom DeLay was convicted of violating TX LAW which for some reason creates great joy for people outside of TX. The question has been raised whether that law was even in effect when DeLay was accused of doing what he was convicted of doing. The case is being appealed and I wonder if you will have the same passion when the verdict is overturned as you have right now? My bet is you will ignore your actions today and will be nowhere to be seen when that verdict is overturned.
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'Tom Delay was convicted of violating TX LAW'...yes, you are correct, indeed he was....great joy on my part? nah, not at all...great dissapointment in him? to quote Sarah Palin...'YOU BETCHA'....Sounds to me like he just got so full of himself that he didnt belive anything would come of his actions, and now he is just SHOCKED!! SHOCKED I TELL YA SHOCKED! that he was convicted. while i would hope he would serve some time for his actions, i seriously doubt he will get more than a slap on the wrist...the question was asked as to why you feel it necessary to strongly defend him...i'm curious to that myself...and you are correct, i'm not from texas, but i feel the people of the great state of texas deserve better, whether they be conservative, liberal, or anything in between.
 
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How does what DeLay was convicted of doing affect you or anyone in your state?
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For the same reason that they used to hang people in the public square. It sends a message to other scumbags.
 
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