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North Korea reportedly fires at South

You're still discounting the South Koreans. They have a technological advantage over the North Koreans, and they have almost as many men. Since we only have 28,500 troops in South Korea, we would fight a defensive war, trading time and space to inflict massive casulties on the North Koreans. They won't be able to sustain the losses, and then we push them back. But we still have less than 30,000 troops against over a million. The South Koreans would grind the North Koreans away with attrition, and we'd clean up whatever was left.

I'm not discounting the South Koreans. 28,000 American troops would grow in the event of war. They will not sit on the Korean peninsula without the ability to agress properly. All of our forces in Okinawa are positioned for this encounter (they largely do not deploy to Iraq or Afghanistan). There would also be mass Marine deployments from the West Coast. Our numbers would grow towards 50,000. This is the doctrinal plan and keep in mind that I'm not even talking about Army numbers. And it happens to fit into the schedule, because I MEF (West coast) is being replaced with II MEF (East coast) in Afghanistan as we type.

Everyone's got this idea that the military is "broken" because a few Army generals shot their mouths off and short changed their own branch a few years back. The Pentagon released reports declaring the state of equipment and it implied that we were on the verge of collapse. Well, it never happened, because this was never true. Iraq was years later brought to "victory" and our mission in Afghanistan is being pumped up this coming year to cap off our stay there.
 
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I'm not discounting the South Koreans. 28,000 American troops would grow in the event of war. They will not sit on the Korean peninsula without the ability to agress properly. All of our forces in Okinawa are positioned for this encounter (they largely do not deploy to Iraq or Afghanistan). There would also be mass Marine deployments from the West Coast. Our numbers would grow towards 50,000. This is the doctrinal plan and keep in mind that I'm not even talking about Army numbers. And it happens to fit into the schedule, because I MEF (West coast) is being replaced with II MEF (East coast) in Afghanistan as we type.

Everyone's got this idea that the military is "broken" because a few Army generals shot their mouths off and short changed their own branch a few years back. The Pentagon released reports declaring the state of equipment and it implied that we were on the verge of collapse. Well, it never happened, because this was never true. Iraq was years later brought to "victory" and our mission in Afghanistan is being pumped up this coming year to cap off our stay there.

While I agree the US Forces would be immensely powerful, until we can rally enough forces for a deliberate march north, the South Koreans are going to be fighting most of the battles. And its entirely possible they can beat the North Koreans would our assistance.
 
While I agree the US Forces would be immensely powerful, until we can rally enough forces for a deliberate march north, the South Koreans are going to be fighting most of the battles. And its entirely possible they can beat the North Koreans would our assistance.
To top that off, the NK military with it million plus standing army can only maneuver so many through a couple of narrow passes. I believe the Spartans did this with the Persian army centuries ago.
 
To top that off, the NK military with it million plus standing army can only maneuver so many through a couple of narrow passes. I believe the Spartans did this with the Persian army centuries ago.

Not to mention, their lines of supply would break down in no time.
 
Care to guess what year that photo was taken?


There is no guessing about it, “Operation Frequent Wind” ran from April 29, 1975–April 30, 1975.During Nixon's second term, whom Ford took over for after he resigned before he was impeached.
 
Perhaps this is because Liberals tend to be for wars, and vote for them, until they are soon against them. They will refuse to see any war through to completion by always looking for "withdrawal" dates, and will not support their leaders should the American people dare elect a Republican.

The Left has the image of being quite shallow and indecisive , and its a reputation well earned.

What do you prefer? A war mongering right with no checks?
 
They tell them that any further aggression will result in a declaration of war, and mean it.

More words? Yes that's been very effective so far! :lamo:lamo:lamo
 
I would think its obvious. We could try assassinating their military brass and top politicians like in Iraq...

Do you have any idea how hard it is to penetrate that country let alone get to their military brass?
 
I doubt there would be any hand to hand combat.

There would absolutely be hand to hand combat when you're dealing with brain washed fanatics and human waves.
 
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This isn't the ancient world where the armies meet on the battlefield with equal weapons and have only their numbers to largely determine a victor. I don't know why people resort to this. American technology and training is more than enough to handle North Korea. If it came to a ground war, half their military and virtually all their support systems would be destroyed before the average American troop crossed the border.

No problems going after the remnent gurrellas and special forces in the mountains? I believe most of NK is mountainous isn't it? What if they resort to IED's which I'm sure they will?
 
There is no guessing about it, “Operation Frequent Wind” ran from April 29, 1975–April 30, 1975.During Nixon's second term, whom Ford took over for after he resigned before he was impeached.

So, you're also aware that that was 3 years after the U.S. left Vietnam? And, that it was the Democrat Congress that refused to honor the Paris Accords, by defunding the ARVN and lefft them with no beans and bullets? And, the reason that the ARVN was defeated, was because they had no fuel for their vehicles and no ammo for their weapons?

I mean, let's keep things in historical perspective, here.

What's next? You're going to post this photo,

fall_of_saigon.jpg


and go, "ooh, ooh, ooh, look! The US military evacing Saigon!!"?
 
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If they're fighting a defensive ground war, it's going to come down to attrition. American firepower will bolster the South Korean army which will take all the major htis to slow down the North Koreans. The ROK would act as West Germany would have during the Cold War.

Like I said in a previous post you're forgeting the rough mountainous terrain and the remnant fanactial brainwashed soldiers. Something tells me it wouldn't be easy routing them out.
 
So, you're also aware that that was 3 years after the U.S. left Vietnam? And, that it was the Democrat Congress that refused to honor the Paris Accords, by defunding the ARVN and lefft them with no beans and bullets? And, the reason that the ARVN was defeated, was because they had no fuel for their vehicles and no ammo for their weapons?

I mean, let's keep things in historical perspective, here.
Since when has this "historical perspective" you speak of had ANY bearing on these modern times, let alone any time?

I've never heard of anyone paying much attention to it, so why should we start now?

Edit: And, on a side note, I am 100% sure that a military operation with a name like "Operation Frequent Wind" garnered a HUGE number of jokes about it...
 
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Care to guess what year that photo was taken?

Since you will soon be 42, which means you were only 6 going on 7 at the time I think I'll go with what Donc says as he was there. ;)

A lot of armchair generals out there. Heck my dad has even run into guys that bragged about being a Green Beret during the Vietnam era as he was. Trouble was when he asked them a few questions like where they were deployed, and other specific information they should have easily known they went blank. It turned out they were making it all up.
 
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No problems going after the remnent gurrellas and special forces in the mountains? I believe most of NK is mountainous isn't it? What if they resort to IED's which I'm sure they will?

They're going to resort to booby traps anyway. I'm quite sure the Norks have anti-tank and anti-personel mines.
 
They're going to resort to booby traps anyway. I'm quite sure the Norks have anti-tank and anti-personel mines.
It depends what kind of "boobies" we are talking about here...

On the one hand, perfectly willing to fall into that trap...

But if the other...

Damn, I'm thinking such low and dirty thoughts today... :mrgreen:
 
They're going to resort to booby traps anyway. I'm quite sure the Norks have anti-tank and anti-personel mines.

Well that's a no brainer. I was responding to the statement that seemed to think it would all be over in no time with our air strikes and more modern technology. That didn't even happen in Iraq. The enemy just hid, adapted, and resumed a different tact as they knew they couldn't beat us in conventional means. Then they started blowing the **** out of us with IED's.
 
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So, you're also aware that that was 3 years after the U.S. left Vietnam? And, that it was the Democrat Congress that refused to honor the Paris Accords, by defunding the ARVN and lefft them with no beans and bullets? And, the reason that the ARVN was defeated, was because they had no fuel for their vehicles and no ammo for their weapons?

I mean, let's keep things in historical perspective, here.

What's next? You're going to post this photo,

fall_of_saigon.jpg


and go, "ooh, ooh, ooh, look! The US military evacing Saigon!!"?

Before you post s*** you might at least check what I was responding to. Yes I did consider that photo but settled on the on I posted. The only objection had with the one I posted is that it took up too much space and people have to toggle it out back and forth.enjoy GB. :2wave:
 
Well that's a no brainer. I was responding to the statement that seemed to think it would all be over in no time with our air strikes and more modern technology. That didn't even happen in Iraq. The enemy just hid, adapted, and resumed a different tact as they knew they couldn't beat us in conventional means. Then they started blowing the **** out of us with IED's.
I would think the NK's “peasants” (I use that word because that seems to be how they are treated, sort of) might be more likely to work with an attacking force, rather than against it, depending on how said attacking force acted, what their intentions were…and so forth.

Of course, that assumes my limited understanding of how NK treats it’s “citizens” is at least partially accurate.

And that their propaganda can be overcome.
 
I would think the NK's “peasants” (I use that word because that seems to be how they are treated, sort of) might be more likely to work with an attacking force, rather than against it, depending on how said attacking force acted, what their intentions were…and so forth.

Of course, that assumes my limited understanding of how NK treats it’s “citizens” is at least partially accurate.

And that their propaganda can be overcome.

I have my doubts. These people are the most isolated and brainwashed in history baragged with propoganda about the west for decades. My bet is they would be as fanatic as the Japanese on Okinowa.

Remember when the Bush admin said we could be welcomed by the Iraqi people with open arms?
 
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