Islamic community center developer seeks federal funding

[Redress]

No, I'm not serious. That's why my post said that it constituted a provocation.

But that doesn't mean America will not be fertile soil for the spread of Islam. Google the name Molly Norris if you want a glimpse of the future.

What, assholes might make stupid threats against some one? You are so right, no one but Muslims ever do that...

 

[The Prof]

why is this such a big deal?

with all due respect, i find the question odd

to some it isn't

71% of new yorkers, tho, want the project moved, according to quinnipiac on the last day of august

More than two-thirds of New Yorkers want mosque moved away from Ground Zero: poll

they have their reasons, it goes without saying

to understand em, i guess, you'd have to show a little sensitivity, understanding for one's neighbors and fellow workers who don't think exactly as you do

the same poll, i recall, showed that the same 71% not only wanted the provocation removed from what they see as special ground, they wanted attorney general andrew cuomo to open investigations into its funding

Exclusive: Concerns Mounting Over Ground Zero Mosque Funding « CBS New York – News, Sports, Weather, Traffic and the Best of NY

it's a lot like public dollars going to projects like the piss christ---must one be a christian to feel empathy for their compunctions?

 

[Redress]

So I don't understand because I am not overly emotional enough?

 

[The Prof]

understanding is wise, not emotional

thanks for asking

 

[Redress]

understanding is wise, not emotional

thanks for asking

But you did not present any logic, only appeals to emotion and popularity.

 

[Albert Di Salvo]

What, assholes might make stupid threats against some one? You are so right, no one but Muslims ever do that...

Salman Rushdie, Theo Van Gogh, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Molly Norris. They all have one thing in common. They committed blasphemy that required or requires their death. Threats are one thing. Actions are another. No one on earth doubts that some Muslim will respond to fatwas. It's a religious duty.

Buddhists, Jains, Sikhs, Hindus, Orthodox Christians, Jews, Animists, and Christian conservatives do not have a device analogous to the fatwa. Ayatollah Khomenei's fatwa against Salman Rushie is still in existence thirty years after the Ayatollah's passing.

In modern times, Islam is completely unique in this regard.

 

[Redress]

Salman Rushdie, Theo Van Gogh, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Molly Norris. They all have one thing in common. They committed blasphemy that required or requires their death. Threats are one thing. Actions are another. No one on earth doubts that some Muslim will respond to fatwas. It's a religious duty.

Buddhists, Jains, Sikhs, Hindus, Orthodox Christians, Jews, Animists, and Christian conservatives do not have a device analogous to the fatwa. Ayatollah Khomenei's fatwa against Salman Rushie is still in existence thirty years after the Ayatollah's passing.

In modern times, Islam is completely unique in this regard.

So no one but Muslims do that, right? I mean no abortion doctors where killed by christians, nor abortion clinics bombed. The Christian group in Michigan was not plotting to kill policemen then detonate bombs at the funeral. Didn't happen I guess.

 

[The Prof]

But you did not present any logic

no, i did not present their logic

the arguments of those to whom this is a big deal

the sentiments of those whom you were asking about

do i need to?

 

[Albert Di Salvo]

So no one but Muslims do that, right? I mean no abortion doctors where killed by christians, nor abortion clinics bombed. The Christian group in Michigan was not plotting to kill policemen then detonate bombs at the funeral. Didn't happen I guess.

How many abortions MDs have died since 2001? One maybe?

How many abortion facilities have been bombed since 2001? One maybe?

The Michigan group is one compared to dozens and dozens and dozens of actions by foreign and American Muslims.

The pace of Muslim terrorism is picking up. The way to reduce Muslim terrorism is to accommodate Muslim wishes. Wishes such as a complete American withdrawal from the Middle East, and the imposition of a new chastity on American culture in order to prevent offending Islam.

Americans are too divided to deal effectively with Muslim terrorism. This being the case America must make itself into a very small target so that Muslim terrorists go after other targets, e.g., Western Europe and India. Like Obama says, America will just have to absorb some of the attacks.

Americans aren't interested in fightin Muslim terrorists. Americans are interested in fighting each other.

 

[TacticalEvilDan]

However your link also states , "Lemon's future is somewhat uncertain. Sustained criticism by conservative Justices such as Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas,[2] lack of a clear reaffirmation of the central tenets of Lemon over the years since the 1980s, and inconsistent application in major Establishment Clause cases has led some legal commentators and lower court judges to believe that Lemon's days are numbered, and that the Court has implicitly left the decision of whether to apply the test in a specific case up to lower courts.".

I can't really comment on what the Supreme Court will do in the future -- and I don't think anybody else will, not even the Court itself.

IMO, the center does not pass all three of the lemon test.

I'd be interested to hear why you think that.

 

[TacticalEvilDan]

Perspective is a funny thing isn't it? Only those who suffer from the malady of eurocentrism would fail to realize how the MOSQUE/COMMUNITY CENTRE will be interpreted by those bearded fanatics who are not eurocentric in their mindset.

 

[Albert Di Salvo]

Sorry to bother you.

 

[TacticalEvilDan]

You didn't bother me, but you didn't make a whole lot of sense, either.

 

[American]

The same way they should have known that even trying to build a 'cultural center' with a mosque, in the immediate area of Ground Zero (debris from one plane crashed through this buildings roof, so let's not go with the 'It's not part of Ground Zero' rhetoric), would be devestating for them and end up being highly counter-productive.

I'm beginning to think we should built a mosque into every new tall building.

 

[Gardener]

I see the the appeal for grants as an attempt to hoist us on our own petard.

 

[SgtRock]

I think its fine. The American tax payer should pay for this community center. Are the good folks behind this center not tax paying citizens? This will be a good way for us to build bridges with the muslim American community.

 

[TacticalEvilDan]

Up to this point, the posters in this thread can be sorted into 3 primary categories:

• People who think there's essentially nothing wrong with the project itself, and essentially nothing wrong with this grant request
• People who think there's essentially nothing wrong with the project itself, but that this grant request is a dumb move
• People who have a problem with the project to begin with

Up to this point, nobody had said that the American taxpayer should chip in; the most "liberal" response thus far was (to paraphrase), "What's the big deal if they're asking for grants?"

You know what I think is funny?

Along comes SgtRock, who has a well-established reputation as someone who both hates and fears Muslims in general, and he's the only one to go quite as far as he did in his support for this grant request.

Come on, now, man. Fess up.

How bad did it hurt you to type that? :lol:

 

[Kali]

Seeking federal funding? Are you kidding me? Only in the wonderful U.S.A.:doh

 

[Kali]

I think its fine. The American tax payer should pay for this community center. Are the good folks behind this center not tax paying citizens? This will be a good way for us to build bridges with the muslim American community.

Riggghhttt.. And guess where they would be bragging about it if we did that? Kinda like how they are bragging somewhere else about how much money they have made us spend on security and laughing at the fear.

 

[SgtRock]

Up to this point, the posters in this thread can be sorted into 3 primary categories:

• People who think there's essentially nothing wrong with the project itself, and essentially nothing wrong with this grant request
• People who think there's essentially nothing wrong with the project itself, but that this grant request is a dumb move
• People who have a problem with the project to begin with

Up to this point, nobody had said that the American taxpayer should chip in; the most "liberal" response thus far was (to paraphrase), "What's the big deal if they're asking for grants?"

You know what I think is funny?

Along comes SgtRock, who has a well-established reputation as someone who both hates and fears Muslims in general, and he's the only one to go quite as far as he did in his support for this grant request.

Come on, now, man. Fess up.

How bad did it hurt you to type that? :lol:

I am sincere about this.

 

[Kali]

I am sincere about this.

No disrespect but you done gone and lost your mind or had a fall?:2razz:

 

[SgtRock]

Riggghhttt.. And guess where they would be bragging about it if we did that? Kinda like how they are bragging somewhere else about how much money they have made us spend on security and laughing at the fear.

Maybe we should stop meddling in the ME and South Asia. Maybe we should remove our troops from muslim lands. Maybe then muslim freedom fighters would leave us alone.

 

[TacticalEvilDan]

I am sincere about this.

Okay, whatever you say.


TED,
Who just can't wait for the inevitable reversal.

 

[digsbe]

I think it would be a separation of church and state violation for the government to directly fund a church/mosque. I can understand if a church/mosque had a clinic or charitable section to it, but it would be a violation to fund this mosque just as it would be to fund a church congregation.

 

[Gardener]

Maybe we should stop meddling in the ME and South Asia. Maybe we should remove our troops from muslim lands. Maybe then muslim freedom fighters would leave us alone.

Preparing for a trip to Great Britain and practicing your lines ahead of time, are you?