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House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

This is going to make Republicans look pretty bad, but not deservedly so. True, in light of the Bush bailout of the banksters, it looks like the GOP is for Wall Street and against Main Street, but that is all on the surface. Many Republicans were genuinely pissed at Bush's bailout, and this is all I personally ask for. While benefits are being cut for those on the bottom rung, benefits must also be cut for those at the top. That would, IMHO, be fair. We must find a way to reduce the deficit, and some ways to cut it are going to be painful. The only way to make it fair is to spread the pain, making sure that those at the top also suffer. Without that, then the Liberals' accusation of "class warfare" is absolutely true.

I will, at this time, take a wait and see attitude, but at this point, I am not against cutting out unemployment extensions. After all, something is seriously wrong if someone cannot find a job in 6 months. It might not be the job he wants, but damn it, it's a job, and it's a tough economy right now, so just take what is available.

Finally, one more note - In this economy, employers who hire illegal aliens over jobless American citizens need to be thrown in jail. Period.
 
TurtleDude said:
what was the effective tax rate on the top 2% in those eras versus what it will be with the clinton-Obama tax hike (if imposed)?

I think you might be surprised

did you figure out your gaping error about the clinton tax hikes
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Yes, I think a lot of people will be surprised, my question remains why do Obama supporters want to penalize only the rich people? Sounds like they are just parroting ignorance. The projected tax revenue that would come in from those tax increases would be a drop in the bucket in the overall scope of things.

The Tax Foundation - U.S. Federal Individual Income Tax Rates History, 1913-2010
 
Conservative said:
Yes, I think a lot of people will be surprised, my question remains why do Obama supporters want to penalize only the rich people? Sounds like they are just parroting ignorance. The projected tax revenue that would come in from those tax increases would be a drop in the bucket in the overall scope of things.

The Tax Foundation - U.S. Federal Individual Income Tax Rates History, 1913-2010
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class warfare is a main M O of the dem elite. Envy of the wealthy is a main selling point to dem minions
 
TurtleDude said:
what was the effective tax rate on the top 2% in those eras versus what it will be with the clinton-Obama tax hike (if imposed)?

I think you might be surprised

did you figure out your gaping error about the clinton tax hikes
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I already said I was using Conservative's logic. Clinton still wasn't a socialist.

The rates have been posted before.
Ike 91% - Nixon 70%
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
I already said I was using Conservative's logic. Clinton still wasn't a socialist.

The rates have been posted before.
Ike 91% - Nixon 70%
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I asked what the effective rates were

so what was the overall tax rate on the top 1% under Ike, Tricky DIck and next year under Obama (assuming his tax schemes are implemented)
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
I already said I was using Conservative's logic. Clinton still wasn't a socialist.

The rates have been posted before.
Ike 91% - Nixon 70%
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Tell us why you support raising the rates on anyone at this time and under these economic conditions? Why does it matter what the rates were during other times during history? Any idea what the exemptions were during those times thus the actual rates paid?
 
TurtleDude said:
class warfare is a main M O of the dem elite. Envy of the wealthy is a main selling point to dem minions
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Of the few, for the few and by the few is the M O of the Repubican Elite. Neither wants real change because there is to much to gain from dividing the country and making everyone angery at each other.
 
TurtleDude said:
I asked what the effective rates were

so what was the overall tax rate on the top 1% under Ike, Tricky DIck and next year under Obama (assuming his tax schemes are implemented)
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How much will the top 1% get to split after taxes. Bet is more than the bottom 45% get gross.
 
Conservative said:
Tell us why you support raising the rates on anyone at this time and under these economic conditions? Why does it matter what the rates were during other times during history? Any idea what the exemptions were during those times thus the actual rates paid?
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Yes, there were tons of shelters.

But my point is that you are caterwauling about socialism when that obviously isn't the case. That's the only reason I bring up previous tax rates.
 
ender1 said:
Of the few, for the few and by the few is the M O of the Repubican Elite. Neither wants real change because there is to much to gain from dividing the country and making everyone angery at each other.
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why not treat every one equally. ie a flat tax or a sales tax. that would do something a real libertarian would love-cut down on extra-constitutional congressional power
 
TurtleDude said:
I asked what the effective rates were

so what was the overall tax rate on the top 1% under Ike, Tricky DIck and next year under Obama (assuming his tax schemes are implemented)
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I don't have "top 1%" figures. Do you? Please share.
 
TurtleDude said:
why not treat every one equally. ie a flat tax or a sales tax. that would do something a real libertarian would love-cut down on extra-constitutional congressional power
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Because that kills the economy. Look a europes AVT and what that has done.
 
ender1 said:
Because that kills the economy. Look a europes AVT and what that has done.
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uh that is not true-I am talking about getting rid of the idiotic progressive income tax with one that prevents congress from playing groups of tax payers against each other. a progressive income tax is anathema to libertarian philosophy
 
ender1 said:
Of the few, for the few and by the few is the M O of the Repubican Elite. Neither wants real change because there is to much to gain from dividing the country and making everyone angery at each other.
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Why does someone making more money than you make you angry? Seems to me that Conservatives aren't the angry ones as conservatives don't care how much you make. the angry ones are the liberals are full of class envy.
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
I don't have "top 1%" figures. Do you? Please share.
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nor do I but I know the claim that the obama planned tax hikes on the wealthy are going to result most likely in the highest effective rate on the top 2% in history. I will try to find that-I have heard it on several news shows in the last 6 months
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
Yes, there were tons of shelters.

But my point is that you are caterwauling about socialism when that obviously isn't the case. That's the only reason I bring up previous tax rates.
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Progressive tax rates that penalize one group or another redistributes wealth and redistribution of wealth is the hallmark of socialism. Why do you want to let the tax cuts expire on anyone during these times? What positive affect is this going to have on the economy or even govt. revenue?
 
Conservative said:
Why does someone making more money than you make you angry? Seems to me that Conservatives aren't the angry ones as conservatives don't care how much you make. the angry ones are the liberals are full of class envy.
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I make a lot more than most. I have an over active "Play fair" bone. I have a great deal of respect for the top 1%. Its when special rules give a few the benefit is when I get upset.
 
TurtleDude said:
are you unread of the constitution?
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Actually, I'm pretty well read on the Constitution. I suspect that you and I would disagree about what is Constitutional and what isn't. So, I'm asking you to be specific and list some spending things that are not Constitutional rather than make a meaningless, generalization.
 
TurtleDude said:
uh that is not true-I am talking about getting rid of the idiotic progressive income tax with one that prevents congress from playing groups of tax payers against each other. a progressive income tax is anathema to libertarian philosophy
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Im not making my point correctly. I think a consumption tax is bad for business.
 
ender1 said:
I make a lot more than most. I have an over active "Play fair" bone. I have a great deal of respect for the top 1%. Its when special rules give a few the benefit is when I get upset.
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here are the special rules

47% paying no federal income taxes but they can vote for those who want to jack up the rates on the top 2% who pay more and more and more

that is really unfair
 
ender1 said:
Im not making my point correctly. I think a consumption tax is bad for business.
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its sure better for freedom than the progressive income tax
 
zip98053 said:
Actually, I'm pretty well read on the Constitution. I suspect that you and I would disagree about what is Constitutional and what isn't. So, I'm asking you to be specific and list some spending things that are not Constitutional rather than make a meaningless, generalization.
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are we talking about the constitution as it was intended or the constitution as raped and reshaped by the Dem judges under FDR?

obviously the commerce clause does not justify stuff like the ATF. or the war on drugs

and the commerce clause does not justify Title VII

and social security medicare medicaid, AFDC are all or were unconstitutional
 
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