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House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

haymarket said:
try as I might, I just cannot summon up any. Sorry.
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Not surprising, those for bigger govt, less personal responsibility, and those historically and economically challenged are just like you.
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
The reason Bush's cuts are expiring is because they aren't paid for. Why do you want to take on more debt during tough economic times? Spending is a problem, but you can't feasably cut that much in spending to get us in the black.

Principle indeed.
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Then pay for them damn it! It's not your freaking money. Cut the freaking budget, or does that much common sense evade you?
 
Conservative said:
Let's see, Obama was in the Congress and campaigned for the job saying he had the answers. He took office in January 2009, the recession ended in June 2009 and yet today 17 months later we have higher unemployment than we had when he took office and unemployment each month of 2010 is higher on a month to monty basis than it was in 2009 the recession year. He has added 3 trillion to the debt and meager economic growth and 4 million lost jobs. Those are Obama results that you seem so proud of. How about those election results on Nov. 2. It does appear that the American people woke up. Still waiting for you to do the same thing. Results matter, you still buy the rhetoric.
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the recession is over by whose standards? the banks? yours?? the down jones industrial average going up, corporate profits going up, doesnt equal a recovery for those still looking for work. what you consider 'waking up' for the American People is actually frustration , and not a ringing endorsement for republicans or their platform. maybe YOU are the one that needs to wake up.
 
Conservative said:
Since extending unemployment benefits costs the taxpayers money the benefits don't offset the expense of those benefits in terms of deficit, debt service, or economic growth. Most of the spending from unemployment insurance goes to what is needed and nothing else thus there isn't much benefit to economic growth or job creation. Further it destroys incentive to find a new job until those benefits run out.
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From the looks of these links it is also going to hurt employers. That's good news if you're goal is to create even more unemployed Americans.
Say Anything » Surprise: After Mandating Unemployment Benefit Expansions 40 States May Need $90 Billion In Bailouts
Lawmakers: Raise Taxes to Fund Unemployment Benefits - State Journal - STATEJOURNAL.com
State May Raise Taxes & Freeze Unemployment Benefits - WHIO Local News on newstalkradiowhio.com
As jobless funds fall, states look to raise taxes - USATODAY.com
 
randel said:
the recession is over by whose standards? the banks? yours?? the down jones industrial average going up, corporate profits going up, doesnt equal a recovery for those still looking for work. what you consider 'waking up' for the American People is actually frustration , and not a ringing endorsement for republicans or their platform. maybe YOU are the one that needs to wake up.
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NBER, the keeper of the economic data. I do agree however Obama has done nothing to grow the economy and make it better so officially the recession ended but the Obama economy is the worst ever coming out of a recession and it is all due to implementation of a massive expansion of govt. Why don't you just admit who you really are, someone who cannot accept personal responsibility and someone who expects the govt. to provide cradle to grave coverage for you. Free enterprise and capitalism have no place in your world or Obama's and because this country wasn't built on the Obama principles it isn't recovering like it should.
 
randel said:
the recession is over by whose standards? the banks? yours?? the down jones industrial average going up, corporate profits going up, doesnt equal a recovery for those still looking for work. what you consider 'waking up' for the American People is actually frustration , and not a ringing endorsement for republicans or their platform. maybe YOU are the one that needs to wake up.
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Obviously you missed the Ohio election results as you continue to be in that Obama trance. Let me help you

ENR - My Results
 
Conservative said:
Obviously you missed the Ohio election results as you continue to be in that Obama trance. Let me help you

ENR - My Results
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again, you have misread the results...you believe this is an overwhelming mandate for republicans, you couldnt be more wrong.
 
Conservative said:
No, bea.gov and bls.gov report actual data and the past, not the future projections.
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So, you don't have any facts about how extending the unemployment benefits will effect the economy. You just made your own projections.

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How does non-spending on the part of however many thousands of people provide more benefit to the economy than spending by thousands of people--even if only on what is needed?
 
randel said:
again, you have misread the results...you believe this is an overwhelming mandate for republicans, you couldnt be more wrong.
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LOL, in order to interpret the results you first have to read them. Get out of your Obama trance.
 
Conservative said:
NBER, the keeper of the economic data. I do agree however Obama has done nothing to grow the economy and make it better so officially the recession ended but the Obama economy is the worst ever coming out of a recession and it is all due to implementation of a massive expansion of govt. Why don't you just admit who you really are, someone who cannot accept personal responsibility and someone who expects the govt. to provide cradle to grave coverage for you. Free enterprise and capitalism have no place in your world or Obama's and because this country wasn't built on the Obama principles it isn't recovering like it should.
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lol...this post shows exactly how little you know about economics, and how little you know about the real world....so sad....
 
Simon W. Moon said:
So, you don't have any facts about how extending the unemployment benefits will effect the economy. You just made your own projections.

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How does non-spending on the part of however many thousands of people provide more benefit to the economy than spending by thousands of people--even if only on what is needed?
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Projections don't matter, results do.
 
randel said:
lol...this post shows exactly how little you know about economics, and how little you know about the real world....so sad....
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I have waited for months now for you to educate me and all I ever see from you is someone ignoring actual data and promoting a liberal agenda and ideology that is a failure. carry on. 4 million more unemployed since Obama took office and 3 trillion added to the debt are the results that apparently Obama supporters believe are positive.
 
Conservative said:
I have waited for months now for you to educate me and all I ever see from you is someone ignoring actual data and promoting a liberal agenda and ideology that is a failure. carry on. 4 million more unemployed since Obama took office and 3 trillion added to the debt are the results that apparently Obama supporters believe are positive.
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again, you have no understanding of economics, and all you have left are insults and personal attacks....come and see me after you take some economic courses at your local college, as obviously, you are not here to learn anything.
 
Conservative said:
Projections don't matter, results do.
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So, you don't think that anyone can predict what will happen if unemployment benefits are extended?

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How does non-spending on the part of however many thousands of people provide more benefit to the economy than spending by thousands of people--even if only on what is needed?
 
My thoughts on this is, I don't give a ****. I saw something that showed that a great majority of Americans have been jobless for over 32 weeks. What?! McDonalds not hiring? The problem with some of these people is that any work just isn't good enough for them. That some hard honest work is below them. Also democrats were gong to do the same thing people, just can't find it. ALSO this doesn't mean it cuts them off like some people are thinking, this is just the extra contribution the American government puts into it goes away. Why and how in the hell did this subject become 24 pages?
 
randel said:
again, you have no understanding of economics, and all you have left are insults and personal attacks....come and see me after you take some economic courses at your local college, as obviously, you are not here to learn anything.
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You are absolutely correct, I don't understand our economy at all since apparently 4 million lost jobs, 3 trillion added to the debt, bailout of unions is a good thing, I should simply marvel at how brilliant Obama seems to believe he is just like you do. You have yet to address the economic numbers posted yet claim I know nothing about economics. You ought to take your own advice as maybe you would make statements that ignore the 4 million unemployed since Obama took office and the 3 trillion he added to the debt instead of blaming it on someone else. I have seen no evidence that you know what you are talking about on any issue and even others aren't supporting your posts.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
So, you don't think that anyone can predict what will happen if unemployment benefits are extended?

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How does non-spending on the part of however many thousands of people provide more benefit to the economy than spending by thousands of people--even if only on what is needed?
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Predictions are worthless, results matter. I predict that people will stay unemployed as long as there is no incentive to find a job.
 
Conservative said:
You are absolutely correct, I don't understand our economy at all since apparently 4 million lost jobs, 3 trillion added to the debt, bailout of unions is a good thing, I should simply marvel at how brilliant Obama seems to believe he is just like you do. You have yet to address the economic numbers posted yet claim I know nothing about economics. You ought to take your own advice as maybe you would make statements that ignore the 4 million unemployed since Obama took office and the 3 trillion he added to the debt instead of blaming it on someone else. I have seen no evidence that you know what you are talking about on any issue and even others aren't supporting your posts.
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yes you are absolutely correct, you don't understand our economy...that is all you needed to say, glad you were able to admit as much.
 
Far more unemployed workers than job openings
Heidi Shierholz
October 7, 2010
This morning the Bureau of Labor Statistics released the August report from the Job Openings and Labor Turnover Survey (JOLTS), showing that job openings increased by 60,000 in August (and upward revisions to earlier data reveal that there were 99,000 more jobs openings in July than previously reported).

The total number of job openings in August was 3.2 million. From the August Current Population Survey, we know that the total number of unemployed workers was 14.9 million. This means that the ratio of unemployed workers to job openings was 4.6-to-1 in August, unchanged from the revised July ratio. It is important to note that this ratio does not measure the number of applicants for each job. There may be throngs of applicants for every job posting, since job seekers apply for multiple jobs. The 4.6-to-1 ratio means that for every 46 unemployed workers, there are only 10 available job openings.​
 
JohnWOlin said:
What?! McDonalds not hiring? The problem with some of these people is that any work just isn't good enough for them. That some hard honest work is below them.
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Yes, more or less. There are more job seekers than jobs.

Hard to believe ain't it? Hasn't been that way in my recent memory. This isn't about people being lazy. The American populace hasn't suddenly been stricken with laziness en masse. There's a real economic event going on here.
 
Conservative said:
Predictions are worthless, results matter. I predict that people will stay unemployed as long as there is no incentive to find a job.
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So you have no way of knowing that extending unemployment benefits will be detrimental.

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How does non-spending on the part of however many thousands of people provide more benefit to the economy than spending by thousands of people--even if only on what is needed?
 
randel said:
yes you are absolutely correct, you don't understand our economy...that is all you needed to say, glad you were able to admit as much.
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I keep waiting for someone of your superior intelligence and experience to educate me but like with all liberals I am always disappointed. Tell me exactly where my economics education is lacking and what I am missing regarding the Obama economy?
 
Simon W. Moon said:
So you have no way of knowing that extending unemployment benefits will be detrimental.

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How does non-spending on the part of however many thousands of people provide more benefit to the economy than spending by thousands of people--even if only on what is needed?
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Detrimental to whom? It costs tax revenue to fund unemployment benefits and that adds to the deficit which adds to debt service so tell me how that benefits the U.S. economy vs. forcing that unemployed individual to find a job, maybe not THE job but A job? If you truly care about tax revenue why would you support paying it out to people who can but don't work?
 
JohnWOlin said:
My thoughts on this is, I don't give a ****. I saw something that showed that a great majority of Americans have been jobless for over 32 weeks. What?! McDonalds not hiring? The problem with some of these people is that any work just isn't good enough for them. That some hard honest work is below them. Also democrats were gong to do the same thing people, just can't find it. ALSO this doesn't mean it cuts them off like some people are thinking, this is just the extra contribution the American government puts into it goes away. Why and how in the hell did this subject become 24 pages?
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Try 99 wks and wanting another extention. As long as the unemployment checks are coming, many will not take a job they feel is beneath them.
I think those who have been unemployed for close to 2 yrs should have packed up and moved a long time ago. Their job is not coming back and apparantly there is no other work to be found.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
Yes, more or less. There are more job seekers than jobs.

Hard to believe ain't it? Hasn't been that way in my recent memory. This isn't about people being lazy. The American populace hasn't suddenly been stricken with laziness en masse. There's a real economic event going on here.
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Sorry I still call BS. Persistance and will is all you need. I went 2 months without a job I thought that was a lot. I live in a area that currently, the unemployment is 19%--that was before I had the job I have now and damn wouldn'tcha now I found a job! I refuse to believe that it isn't because people are idiots and can't be more resourceful.
 
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