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Contagion hits Portugal as Ireland dithers on rescue

What's funny about the right wing is the volte face they've done on Ireland. Our corporate tax rates were eulogised, most prominently by McCain during the election cycle. Now we can't cover our debts because of left wing policies?

Our hell is caused by combining a low taxation culture that couldn't afford wide and inefficient social safety nets. We had the worst of both worlds people, a mutant Euro-American economic outlook.

I don't know where the Irish Tea Party idea came from either. The most popular political party at the moment is the left wing Labour Party. The closest thing we had to Libertarians were the Progressive Democrats, who died out over the past few years due to its coalition with the ruling party. There is a rising tide of anger against the bloated public sector but I'm not sure how a party like Labour would tackle it.
 
Really?

What cuts have been pushed through in the US


Greece has seen massive cut, France is seeing cuts, the UK, Ireland is engaged in massive cuts so large as to drive the Irish to leave again, the Baltics have made dramatic cuts. Next up will be Spain, Portugal and Italy. Germany and the others will alot of money have made adjustments long before this and have reasonable economies.

So far other then promising cuts, I have yet to see any actual promises on what the US or the tea party will cut. SS I doubt it, medicare certainly not, the military that is sancrosanct. The three biggest spending programs in the US are nearly untouchable to any real cuts. So the cuts wont come untill things are truely dire. The tea party wont cut the military, and no party can touch SS or medicare without having the demographic that votes (the old) turn on them
taxes




the teabagging wing of the republican party will sing the same republican mantra. gotta problem? cutting taxes will be the cure

it's not a legitimate solution but that "answer" resonates with those who drink the koolaid
 
Really?

What cuts have been pushed through in the US

None yet, of course, but the Tea Party movement certainly is having an effect on those in Washington regarding spending. No such movement, apart from some small talk, exists in Europe. The will, and the access, just isn't there.


Greece has seen massive cut, France is seeing cuts, the UK, Ireland is engaged in massive cuts so large as to drive the Irish to leave again, the Baltics have made dramatic cuts. Next up will be Spain, Portugal and Italy. Germany and the others will alot of money have made adjustments long before this and have reasonable economies.

Sure, but these are forced cuts because they can't meet their obligations. In the USA t's the people who are trying t force the government to spend less.

So far other then promising cuts, I have yet to see any actual promises on what the US or the tea party will cut. SS

they haven't even been sworn in yet. What can you expect?

I doubt it, medicare certainly not, the military that is sancrosanct.

No, it's not. They've already said so,

The three biggest spending programs in the US are nearly untouchable to any real cuts. So the cuts wont come untill things are truely dire. The tea party wont cut the military, and no party can touch SS or medicare without having the demographic that votes (the old) turn on them.

In fact they said they're going to look at ALL programs.

The real biggy will be closing Obamacare, or it will become one of those huge sacrosanct programs as well, that no one can ever touch.That's just the way it goes, and I think many Americans are starting to understand that.
 
The fly in the ointment is that Ireland followed the cuts recipe to the letter. They have, as said already, gone through a round of savage cuts, reviews, and wage reductions. Now they face more of the same. What price the USA, who triggered this disaster, escaping the results of their actions?
 
The fly in the ointment is that Ireland followed the cuts recipe to the letter. They have, as said already, gone through a round of savage cuts, reviews, and wage reductions. Now they face more of the same. What price the USA, who triggered this disaster, escaping the results of their actions?

Do European ever take responsibility for their actions? No.
 
Do European ever take responsibility for their actions? No.

Of course we do.. it is American's that dont... especially right wingers.. they cant admit even the slightest fault in anything.
 
Of course we do.. it is American's that dont... especially right wingers.. they cant admit even the slightest fault in anything.

Our president sucks.
 
The fly in the ointment is that Ireland followed the cuts recipe to the letter. They have, as said already, gone through a round of savage cuts, reviews, and wage reductions. Now they face more of the same. What price the USA, who triggered this disaster, escaping the results of their actions?

Why not declare war on the United States? You might get another Marshall Plan when it's over.

Ireland and the rest of the PIGS are the authors of their own misfortune, and still can't take responsibility for their own actions. They're like children. Drunken children.
 
None yet, of course, but the Tea Party movement certainly is having an effect on those in Washington regarding spending. No such movement, apart from some small talk, exists in Europe. The will, and the access, just isn't there.

What the hell are you smoking? Have you even been paying attention the last year? The only place there are cuts are in Europe lol.. Every country in Europe, even those with great economies are cutting in some way or another. The US has not cut anything (as in budget gone down) in 30+ years.

As for the Tea Party.. it is having next to no effect so far as they are being blocked by the GOP regulars. The civil war in the GOP is going on and so far they are loosing. Even the new Paul in congress has folded on key issues and gone the typical big business GOP way. So much for having a spine. Instead the GOP is focusing on cutting a few million from the NPR and ruining future nuclear disarnment for domestic political pork and favours... pathetic attitude. The GOP is only thinking of one thing.. victory in 2 years and so what if the US goes down the tubes in the mean time. ..

Sure, but these are forced cuts because they can't meet their obligations. In the USA t's the people who are trying t force the government to spend less.

Hog wash. All countries but a few can meet their obligations. Greece lied about its economic situation and was punished. Ireland had a right wing government that let the banks run amok and are now forced to bail them out.... much like what the UK and US had to do with some of its banks. Only difference is that in the Irish case, it was ALL major banks that had drunk the funny juice and participated in the building boom in Ireland. Rest of Europe are doing just fine, and in Germany and the Scandinavian countries.. very very well. Most countries have far less deficits than say the US and UK, and much less debt loads than that of the UK and US.

they haven't even been sworn in yet. What can you expect?

Like that will change anything. The GOP has sat on its ass for a decade and that aint gonna change any time soon... a few token Tea Party members who have no power.. yea right. Even Michelle the wacko Backmann is being marginalised big time.. and wasting tax payer money. Funny how she can spend several thousand dollars moving her office 2 doors down.. for the same amount of space. Thats fiscal responsibility for you.. right wing style.

No, it's not. They've already said so,

And they have said the opposite as well.. the GOP cant make up its mind. And as long as it is words and no action or even plans on paper.. then it is just a bunch of more hot air.

In fact they said they're going to look at ALL programs.

The real biggy will be closing Obamacare, or it will become one of those huge sacrosanct programs as well, that no one can ever touch.That's just the way it goes, and I think many Americans are starting to understand that.

Will never ever happen and you are living in a dream world. The Tea Party has no power in the new congress, and like it or not the Dems can block any hair brain (thank god) idea the tea party tries to push through. And the Tea Party and the GOP will never ever ever touch the military budget. Sure cut a program here and there, and save a few bucks.. but really change things.. never. As for going after Obamacare.. good luck on that.. then again making things more expensive and profitable for the GOP backers is the only reason they are there right?

The GOP has no backbone what so ever to be actual fiscal conservatives and it has not had that since Goldwater.... which explains why the US is in the hole they are in now.
 
Our president sucks.

Eh? It is your president that is at fault for bringing up the debt from under 1 trillion to 10 trillion before he even was elected to office? What on earth are you smoking since it must be some good stuff.

No it is your congress that sucks and the corporatist system... a system that is run mostly by the right.
 
Why not declare war on the United States? You might get another Marshall Plan when it's over.

Ireland and the rest of the PIGS are the authors of their own misfortune, and still can't take responsibility for their own actions. They're like children. Drunken children.

What on earth are you babbling about? Greece has taken responsibility for its problems.. Ireland fully admits that its banking system was not regulated well enough and doing a 100% guarantee on it was a bad idea. As for the rest of Europe..pick a country and lets discuss it. The only country not admitting anything is run by a radical right wing fascist.. that is Italy.. but then again Italy has always been a sick country and it still is around.
 
What the hell are you smoking? Have you even been paying attention the last year? The only place there are cuts are in Europe lol.. Every country in Europe, even those with great economies are cutting in some way or another. The US has not cut anything (as in budget gone down) in 30+ years.

Hence the Tea Party movement.
As for the Tea Party.. it is having next to no effect so far as they are being blocked by the GOP regulars.

The Tea Party supporters have not even taken their oath and have already had an effect. Best worry about your PIIGS.

The civil war in the GOP is going on and so far they are loosing. Even the new Paul in congress has folded on key issues and gone the typical big business GOP way. So much for having a spine. Instead the GOP is focusing on cutting a few million from the NPR and ruining future nuclear disarnment for domestic political pork and favours... pathetic attitude. The GOP is only thinking of one thing.. victory in 2 years and so what if the US goes down the tubes in the mean time. ..

It would be smarter to wait until these new members are sworn in before claiming its a failure.
Hog wash. All countries but a few can meet their obligations. Greece lied about its economic situation and was punished. Ireland had a right wing government that let the banks run amok and are now forced to bail them out.... much like what the UK and US had to do with some of its banks. Only difference is that in the Irish case, it was ALL major banks that had drunk the funny juice and participated in the building boom in Ireland. Rest of Europe are doing just fine, and in Germany and the Scandinavian countries.. very very well. Most countries have far less deficits than say the US and UK, and much less debt loads than that of the UK and US.

That's just great news!
Like that will change anything. The GOP has sat on its ass for a decade and that aint gonna change any time soon... a few token Tea Party members who have no power.. yea right. Even Michelle the wacko Backmann is being marginalised big time.. and wasting tax payer money. Funny how she can spend several thousand dollars moving her office 2 doors down.. for the same amount of space. Thats fiscal responsibility for you.. right wing style.

Good to see you have your priorities in order! Americans could use more European advice!

And they have said the opposite as well.. the GOP cant make up its mind. And as long as it is words and no action or even plans on paper.. then it is just a bunch of more hot air.

You're absolutely right, Peu


Will never ever happen and you are living in a dream world. The Tea Party has no power in the new congress, and like it or not the Dems can block any hair brain (thank god) idea the tea party tries to push through. And the Tea Party and the GOP will never ever ever touch the military budget. Sure cut a program here and there, and save a few bucks.. but really change things.. never. As for going after Obamacare.. good luck on that.. then again making things more expensive and profitable for the GOP backers is the only reason they are there right?

You're really on a roll! Wherever do you get these insights??

The GOP has no backbone what so ever to be actual fiscal conservatives and it has not had that since Goldwater.... which explains why the US is in the hole they are in now/

Yeah, but he was one of those darned right wingers.
 
What on earth are you babbling about? Greece has taken responsibility for its problems.. Ireland fully admits that its banking system was not regulated well enough and doing a 100% guarantee on it was a bad idea. As for the rest of Europe..pick a country and lets discuss it. The only country not admitting anything is run by a radical right wing fascist.. that is Italy.. but then again Italy has always been a sick country and it still is around.

So the acronym now should be II rather than PIIGS? What about the P and S? Please let us know of any official acronym changes.
 
to their credit, many if not most of the eu countries have, since the last terrifying public collapse in greece in april, taken draconian steps

EU takes nuclear option to protect European project - The Irish Times - Tue, May 11, 2010

of course, the overweening elements of progressivism over there haven't taken it very well

France braces itself for another week of protests as Sarkozy believes he has turned corner - Telegraph

French strikers, marchers defy Sarkozy on pensions - The West Australian

Sarkozy stands firm as pension protests escalate - Europe, World - The Independent

AFP: France strikes again as pension reform enters crunch week

TUITION FEES PROTEST: Anarchists cause chaos as 50k students take to streets | Mail Online

Student tuition fee protest turns violent as Tory headquarters evacuated - Telegraph

Thousands protest against looming cuts

Greek riots: Up to 60,000 people take to streets to protest against government | Mail Online

it's all so predictable

the word in europe is---austerity

and it's hegelian, ie, physical and natural reaction, on the pavement, is---protest

in other words, there are problems and there are solutions

germany points the way

german unemployment hits 18 year low

but the greeks gripe

Greece, Germany Grapple Over Debt - WSJ.com

as for america, we took a big step in merkel's direction on tsunami tuesday

one would have to be blind and insensitive to currents not to perceive the precipitous redirection of battleship america on november 2

over here, we'll have to look at the same things the euro's are dealing with on the other side of the atlantic, and we'll start with PUBLIC PENSIONS

at the city, county, state and federal level

you couldn't know vallejo, CA, which is 10 miles or so from my home

well, maybe you could if the sindy picked it up---it was pretty famous

City of Vallejo goes bankrupt after property crash hits taxes - Business News, Business - The Independent

in vallejo it's all about police and fire, ie, P-E-N-S-I-O-N-S

of course the valley just beyond the foot of the benicia bridge, home to the fabled mothball fleet, is merely case study

Study: California Public Pensions Underfunded by Over $500B - California Healthline

California public pensions underfunded | Money & Company | Los Angeles Times

i could deliver you links pointing to equal crises facing the overpromised and underfunded mandates self imposed by the commonwealths of florida, new york, illinois

the tea party is so prepubescent it isn't even a party

but it's powerfully taking shape in john boehner's and eric cantor's republican caucus

you are quite wrong about the tea party and its influence on the party of no

the freshmen are focefully forging a path

Newbies among House GOP leaders - Jake Sherman - POLITICO.com

House GOP touts its new team - Jake Sherman and Marin Cogan - POLITICO.com

GOP rookies flex their muscles - Marin Cogan and Jake Sherman - POLITICO.com

John Boehner offers sweeteners to tea party - Marin Cogan and Jake Sherman - POLITICO.com

Meet the House GOP's insta-stars - Kasie Hunt - POLITICO.com
 
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to their credit, many if not most of the eu countries have, since the last terrifying public collapse in greece in april, taken draconian steps

EU takes nuclear option to protect European project - The Irish Times - Tue, May 11, 2010

of course, the overweening elements of progressivism over there haven't taken it very well

France braces itself for another week of protests as Sarkozy believes he has turned corner - Telegraph

French strikers, marchers defy Sarkozy on pensions - The West Australian

Sarkozy stands firm as pension protests escalate - Europe, World - The Independent

AFP: France strikes again as pension reform enters crunch week

TUITION FEES PROTEST: Anarchists cause chaos as 50k students take to streets | Mail Online

Student tuition fee protest turns violent as Tory headquarters evacuated - Telegraph

Thousands protest against looming cuts

Greek riots: Up to 60,000 people take to streets to protest against government | Mail Online

it's all so predictable

the word in europe is---austerity

and it's hegelian, ie, physical and natural reaction, on the pavement, is---protest

in other words, there are problems and there are solutions

germany points the way

german unemployment hits 18 year low

but the greeks gripe

Greece, Germany Grapple Over Debt - WSJ.com

as for america, we took a big step in merkel's direction on tsunami tuesday

one would have to be blind and insensitive to currents not to perceive the precipitous redirection of battleship america on november 2

over here, we'll have to look at the same things the euro's are dealing with on the other side of the atlantic, and we'll start with PUBLIC PENSIONS

at the city, county, state and federal level

you couldn't know vallejo, CA, which is 10 miles or so from my home

well, maybe you could if the sindy picked it up---it was pretty famous

City of Vallejo goes bankrupt after property crash hits taxes - Business News, Business - The Independent

in vallejo it's all about police and fire, ie, P-E-N-S-I-O-N-S

of course the valley just beyond the foot of the benicia bridge, home to the fabled mothball fleet, is merely case study

Study: California Public Pensions Underfunded by Over $500B - California Healthline

California public pensions underfunded | Money & Company | Los Angeles Times

i could deliver you links pointing to equal crises facing the overpromised and underfunded mandates self imposed by the commonwealths of florida, new york, illinois

the tea party is so prepubescent it isn't even a party

but it's powerfully taking shape in john boehner's and eric cantor's republican caucus

you are quite wrong about the tea party and its influence on the party of no

the freshmen are focefully forging a path

Newbies among House GOP leaders - Jake Sherman - POLITICO.com

House GOP touts its new team - Jake Sherman and Marin Cogan - POLITICO.com

GOP rookies flex their muscles - Marin Cogan and Jake Sherman - POLITICO.com

John Boehner offers sweeteners to tea party - Marin Cogan and Jake Sherman - POLITICO.com

Meet the House GOP's insta-stars - Kasie Hunt - POLITICO.com

This is only the beginning, Prof.

What's going to happen when their pensions come due and the cupboard is bare? When medical care is rationed?

Western Europeans of today can't handle any of that.
 
to their credit, many if not most of the eu countries have, since the last terrifying public collapse in greece in april, taken draconian steps

EU takes nuclear option to protect European project - The Irish Times - Tue, May 11, 2010

of course, the overweening elements of progressivism over there haven't taken it very well

France braces itself for another week of protests as Sarkozy believes he has turned corner - Telegraph

French strikers, marchers defy Sarkozy on pensions - The West Australian

Sarkozy stands firm as pension protests escalate - Europe, World - The Independent

AFP: France strikes again as pension reform enters crunch week

TUITION FEES PROTEST: Anarchists cause chaos as 50k students take to streets | Mail Online

Student tuition fee protest turns violent as Tory headquarters evacuated - Telegraph

Thousands protest against looming cuts

Greek riots: Up to 60,000 people take to streets to protest against government | Mail Online

it's all so predictable

the word in europe is---austerity

and it's hegelian, ie, physical and natural reaction, on the pavement, is---protest

in other words, there are problems and there are solutions

germany points the way

german unemployment hits 18 year low

but the greeks gripe

Greece, Germany Grapple Over Debt - WSJ.com

as for america, we took a big step in merkel's direction on tsunami tuesday

one would have to be blind and insensitive to currents not to perceive the precipitous redirection of battleship america on november 2

over here, we'll have to look at the same things the euro's are dealing with on the other side of the atlantic, and we'll start with PUBLIC PENSIONS

at the city, county, state and federal level

you couldn't know vallejo, CA, which is 10 miles or so from my home

well, maybe you could if the sindy picked it up---it was pretty famous

City of Vallejo goes bankrupt after property crash hits taxes - Business News, Business - The Independent

in vallejo it's all about police and fire, ie, P-E-N-S-I-O-N-S

of course the valley just beyond the foot of the benicia bridge, home to the fabled mothball fleet, is merely case study

Study: California Public Pensions Underfunded by Over $500B - California Healthline

California public pensions underfunded | Money & Company | Los Angeles Times

i could deliver you links pointing to equal crises facing the overpromised and underfunded mandates self imposed by the commonwealths of florida, new york, illinois

the tea party is so prepubescent it isn't even a party

but it's powerfully taking shape in john boehner's and eric cantor's republican caucus

you are quite wrong about the tea party and its influence on the party of no

the freshmen are focefully forging a path

Newbies among House GOP leaders - Jake Sherman - POLITICO.com

House GOP touts its new team - Jake Sherman and Marin Cogan - POLITICO.com

GOP rookies flex their muscles - Marin Cogan and Jake Sherman - POLITICO.com

John Boehner offers sweeteners to tea party - Marin Cogan and Jake Sherman - POLITICO.com

Meet the House GOP's insta-stars - Kasie Hunt - POLITICO.com

This is only the beginning, Prof.

What's going to happen when their pensions come due and the cupboard is bare? When medical care is rationed?

Western Europeans of today can't handle any of that.
 
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What's going to happen when their pensions come due and the cupboard is bare?

seiu thugs will emulate their greek comrades and take to the streets, that much is foreseeable
 
seiu thugs will emulate their greek comrades and take to the streets, that much is foreseeable

I saw Allen West interviewed a few days ago and what a bright insightful no-guff guy he is! I was impressed for sure!

Who do you like among the newcomers?
 
let the links i posted speak for me

y'know what i mean?

keep up the good work, keep kicking their butts, hopefully we can survive them

cliff
 
This is only the beginning, Prof.

What's going to happen when their pensions come due and the cupboard is bare? When medical care is rationed?

Western Europeans of today can't handle any of that.

You see, that is why France has made cuts to its pension system already, it already has rationed health care, just like every country including the US has
 
You see, that is why France has made cuts to its pension system already, it already has rationed health care, just like every country including the US has

He and Prof are blinded by their hatred to Europe... it is time to ignore them since they as usual cant provide any proof what so ever of their opinions.
 
He and Prof are blinded by their hatred to Europe... it is time to ignore them since they as usual cant provide any proof what so ever of their opinions.

So you are Left after all, Peu! The evidence is that you choose to censor news you which disturbs your little head.

But facts are facts Peu, and you'll have many, many more riots in the coming years when the goodies aren't there. That's why the "White Flight" from Europe. I even see them arriving here in Central America regularly
 
So you are Left after all, Peu! The evidence is that you choose to censor news you which disturbs your little head.

But facts are facts Peu, and you'll have many, many more riots in the coming years when the goodies aren't there. That's why the "White Flight" from Europe. I even see them arriving here in Central America regularly

How many europeans compared to Canadians and Americans are there in Central America?
 
it is time to ignore them since they as usual cant provide any proof what so ever of their opinions.

LOL!

i decidedly avoiding stating my opinions, even when asked

instead i pasted NINETEEN links, sources as disparate as the guardian, ap, sindy, telegraph, mail, irish times, CA healthline, la times...

here are today's headlines (guardian, wsj, nyt, ap) on the topic, ie, here we go again

Fresh student protests over fees | UK news | guardian.co.uk

Euro-Zone Crisis News: Fears of Domino Effect Spread Across Europe - WSJ.com

http://www.nytimes.com/glogin?URI=h...GQ27Q5Dg@Q259Q27Ss@gbSQ27.Gn@SQ25!-9(6Q2AlQ25

My Way News - Portugal, Spain hit by investor fears over debt

sorry
 
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