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TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

Kandahar said:
These idiotic security procedures serve no purpose. Putting aside the obvious fact that they're a disgusting affront to civil liberties, they don't even prevent terrorism. What's to stop a terrorist from just blowing up a bomb while he stands in line waiting for the security check? As Jeff Goldberg at The Atlantic correctly noted, "The coiled, closely packed lines at TSA screening sites are the most dangerous places in airports, completely unprotected from a terrorist attack -- a terrorist attack that would serve the same purpose (shutting down air travel) as an attack on board an aircraft."
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Hell, you wouldn't even have the benefit of the No-Fly list in that case. All a person would have to do is walk up to the line and detonate his bomb.
 
Well, if TSA thinks that the backlash is bad now, just wait until during and after the holiday season.
 
Seriously, isn't there any technology capable of erasing the need for groping people and stripping them naked for searches? I swear if this garbage ever happens to me I'll do the same damned thing the man in the OP did.
 
A friend reported this:

This actually happened to me two weeks ago. I was flying home from
Pittsburgh and they had just installed the new full body scanners. I did
not know that I was supposed to empty my pants pockets before walking
through them. So, when I went through, they pulled me aside because of the
cash that I had in my front pants pocket and the wallet in my back pocket.
Without saying a word to me, one of the TSA guys came up to me and put his
hand in my back pocket and started to remove my wallet! I had a completely
visceral reaction. Without thinking, I grabbed his hand that was in my
pocket with my right hand and grabbed the front of his shirt with my left.
Then I started to cuss him out (loudly) and push him back at the same time.

Like I said, it was a completely visceral reaction, like if I caught
somebody trying to pickpocket me. I do not know who was more startled, him
or me. They did threaten to arrest me, but eventually let me go.

All in all, it was a REALLY bad experience!
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This kind of thuggery will damage air travel, but I expect there will always be some folks who believe the line "We're here from the government, and we're here to help you" and allow themselves to be treated like animals.
 
Well, if you want to kill the airline industry, here you go.
 
Harshaw said:
Well, if you want to kill the airline industry, here you go.
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Meh, they'll just get a bailout. Government is always great at coming up with ridiculous solutions to government problems.
 
Let me get this straight. We can torutre people and invade countries, but don't search us? :confused:
 
Boo Radley said:
Let me get this straight. We can torutre people and invade countries, but don't search us? :confused:
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How can you even remotely compare the two? Are the people who have to go through these security protocols the ones who are engaging in "torture"? No, they aren't. It's the TSA, which is a part of the government. Yes, the government that is also responsible for this "torture" that you speak of.
 
Dr_Patrick said:
How can you even remotely compare the two? Are the people who have to go through these security protocols the ones who are engaging in "torture"? No, they aren't. It's the TSA, which is a part of the government. Yes, the government that is also responsible for this "torture" that you speak of.
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It is all a response to the same problem. We're afraid of terroist, and in that fear, we've been willing to invade, willing to torture, willing to let the government spy, but not willing to be searched. I find this odd.

Also, i'm not saying we're equal to terroist. Why do some miss the actual arguemnt?
 
Boo Radley said:
It is all a response to the same problem. We're afraid of terroist, and in that fear, we've been willing to invade, willing to torture, willing to let the government spy, but not willing to be searched. I find this odd.
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I don't know who this "we" is to whom you're referring. If you were willing to torture people, I suggest you get some psychological help.
 
Boo Radley said:
It is all a response to the same problem. We're afraid of terroist, and in that fear, we've been willing to invade, willing to torture, willing to let the government spy, but not willing to be searched. I find this odd.

Also, i'm not saying we're equal to terroist. Why do some miss the actual arguemnt?
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I haven't heard anyone object to being searched. It's the groping of genitals and virtually naked pictures plastered everywhere that has everyone up in arms.
 
Boo Radley said:
It is all a response to the same problem. We're afraid of terroist, and in that fear, we've been willing to invade, willing to torture, willing to let the government spy, but not willing to be searched. I find this odd.

Also, i'm not saying we're equal to terroist. Why do some miss the actual arguemnt?
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Because you didn't actually make one.

What's your position on this? State it clearly.
 
Gill said:
I haven't heard anyone object to being searched. It's the groping of genitals and virtually naked pictures plastered everywhere that has everyone up in arms.
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Which is kind of a hyperbolic misrepresentation of what is going on. We're adults and these things are not that extreme.
 
Harshaw said:
Because you didn't actually make one.

What's your position on this? State it clearly.
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I think it is fine. I have no problem with either the scanner or being searched.
 
Boo Radley said:
It is all a response to the same problem. We're afraid of terroist, and in that fear, we've been willing to invade, willing to torture, willing to let the government spy, but not willing to be searched. I find this odd.
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You use the term "we" as if we are all collectively doing this stuff. Perhaps your argument wouldn't be so flawed if you didn't group people together that you shouldn't.

Also, i'm not saying we're equal to terroist. Why do some miss the actual arguemnt?
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Perhaps if your argument were properly framed and you weren't clumping the US government who "tortures" and the US citizens who have to deal with these security protocols, it wouldn't be a problem.
 
Boo Radley said:
I think it is fine. I have no problem with either the scanner or being searched.
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Good for you. Not everyone feels this way. Frankly, I'm not entirely comfortable with a fat sweaty TSA guy feeling me or any of the members of my family up. If you are, that's fine for you.
 
Boo Radley said:
Which is kind of a hyperbolic misrepresentation of what is going on. We're adults and these things are not that extreme.
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You would certainly (I hope) call it extreme if your 4 year old daughter or grandaughter was fondled by a stranger while she screamed her head off begging for them to stop.
 
Gill said:
You would certainly (I hope) call it extreme if your 4 year old daughter or grandaughter was fondled by a stranger while she screamed her head off begging for them to stop.
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I know I sure as hell would do more than call it extreme. :mad:
 
Gill said:
You would certainly (I hope) call it extreme if your 4 year old daughter or grandaughter was fondled by a stranger while she screamed her head off begging for them to stop.
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No one is fondled. Seriously, that's hyperbole on your part.
 
Dr_Patrick said:
Good for you. Not everyone feels this way. Frankly, I'm not entirely comfortable with a fat sweaty TSA guy feeling me or any of the members of my family up. If you are, that's fine for you.
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No one is feeling anyone up.
 
Boo Radley said:
No one is fondled. Seriously, that's hyperbole on your part.
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You really need to read some of the accounts of what they are doing now and watch videos of it.

It is fondling. If anyone else touched that little girl like they did, they would be locked up and the key thrown away.
 
Gill said:
You really need to read some of the accounts of what they are doing now and watch videos of it.

It is fondling. If anyone else touched that little girl like they did, they would be locked up and the key thrown away.
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Actually I have, and I've seen polls were most people have been fine with it. Someone overreacting doesn't mean I have to overreact.
 
Boo Radley said:
No one is fondled. Seriously, that's hyperbole on your part.
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Call it whatever you want, but there is no need for it at all. Damn sure a four year old isn't going to care what it's called.
 
Boo Radley said:
Actually I have, and I've seen polls were most people have been fine with it. Someone overreacting doesn't mean I have to overreact.
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Frisking (fondling) a 4 year old girl is NOT overreacting.... it's idiotic and would be criminal anywhere else.
 
Coronado said:
Call it whatever you want, but there is no need for it at all. Damn sure a four year old isn't going to care what it's called.
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No, and a four year old probably wouldn't react at all if the parent didn't overreact. And let's not forget, you can use the scanner.
 
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