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TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport for refusing security check

Sounds like the fine would be related to more than just saying no:

TSA officers have even threatened to fine passengers who protest the new pat-downs. The agency can fine passengers up to $10,000 for behaving in a manner that is so uncooperative and disruptive that it physically interferes with the screening process, according to the agency.

By saying "Don't touch my junk"?
 
You don't know that actually.

you're now suggesting that the aclu doesn't know the definition of GROPE?

that mr thompson and ms lee are ignorant of the meaning of PRIVACY and CIVIL LIBERTIES?

you're the only one with a WEBSTERS?

LOL!

no filter equals no self respect

your turn

FASTER!
 
And what do you make of most people being OK with this?

already told you, silly

you need to work on your reading skills

LOL!

it means the white house is getting killed
 
I am going to open an airport kiosk selling 'Don't touch my junk' t-shirts...

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Well the classic boo radley shuffle aside.....



One could shove enough PETN up ones ass to blow a hole in a plane.


That said what are these invasive pat downs going to accomplish?


Will boo be for cavity searches? My guess is it depends on which party controls the white house.
 
Well the classic boo radley shuffle aside.....



One could shove enough PETN up ones ass to blow a hole in a plane.


That said what are these invasive pat downs going to accomplish?


Will boo be for cavity searches? My guess is it depends on which party controls the white house.

No, without ample justification and legal procedure followed, of course not. And there is no shuffle, just a certain laziness on some to actually follow the argument. :coffeepap
 
the argument, despite a hundred 60-second submissions, has not moved an inch beyond the aclu's informed assertion that americans are being GROPED and house homeland security's measured writings about pat downs running afoul of PRIVACY and CIVIL LIBERTIES

so we have on the one hand america's most presitigious and liberal liberty watchdog, the chair and senior member of the congressional committee most interested, and 61% of the american people

and on the other a single twilight-zone warrior with the fastest CLICK and SUBMIT this side of the capitol

LOL!

admittedly, a prodigious difference of opinion

which, bottom line, all adds up to---the white house is getting killed on this

and racial and religious PROFILING peek peskily around the next corner to turn

good job, barry!
 
I'm not about to go over 67 pages and over 650 posts to review the direction of this thread. So, I'll just add my :twocents: worth and be done with it.

I think those who are complaining about the airport security screenings by the TSA need to get over themselves.

On September 11, 2001, 19 men dressed in civilian attire blended in with the rest of the American businessmen and common airline travelers and ultimately did harm to well over 3,000 innocent people using box cutters they likely hid on their person or within their carry-on luggage. The forced four commercial jets into two high rise structures in downtown NYC, our nation's defense headquarters and into a field near a small Pennsylvania town. Nine years later, our national security apporatus has finally developed a system whereby passengers are screened beyond the mere use of metal detectors and X-ray machines to scan over luggage that can still miss small objects that could poss a threat to our national security.

As for passenger screening, metal detectors are a good first line of defense for discovering small, hand carried weapons, but as we've seen with the shoe bomber sometimes that's not enough. Speaking of the shoe bomber, people are throwing "profiling" around (again) as if that in itself will help us properly identify would-be terrorist. Sure, the nineteen 9/11 hijackers were all of middle-easteren decent (Saudi Arabian mostly), but their profiles wouldn't fit that of the Shoe Bomber nor the Christmas Day bomber from a year ago, now would it? My point?

A terrorist has no face! You don't know what he - or she - may look like. And by focusing strictly on one democraphic or nationality, you potentially inadvertantly give the enemy an opening - hide box cutters, small components or even explosives in small amounts on small children or the elderly where such components can be reassembled onboard commercial planes. Yeah, that'll learn us to stay vigilent!! Dont' inconvenience my baby or grandma because they don't fit the profile of a killer. Real smart, people!

Look, if these people who wish to do us harm can find a way around our airport security systems, believe me when I say THEY WILL FIND A WAY! And this petty scabbling about the TSA trying to do their job to keep us safe is bound to give them the exact opening they need to get past the system.

15-20 minutes of having your body generely touched in an non-evasive way is a very small price to pay for your security - and your life! My advice...

STFU and move through the full body scanners if you don't want to be "felt up!" And if you're embarrased about how your body may appear on the full-body scanner, might I suggest you hit the gym?

GET OVER YOURSELVES, AMERICA! Life in a post-9/11 world has changed. And if that means you'll be inconvenienced for a brief while just to keep your butts safe, then so be it! STOP YOUR WHINING, go through the security procedures intended to keep you safe and board the GD planes already.

And I'm out 'cause this entire oreal is so stupid!!!
 
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Look, if these people who wish to do us harm can find a way around our airport security systems, believe me when I say THEY WILL FIND A WAY!

Then the only thing this does is inconvenience and piss off scores of ordinary, law-abiding Americans.
 
Then the only thing this does is inconvenience and piss off scores of ordinary, law-abiding Americans.

Then you're just gonna have to be pissed off. If it means protecting your life -vs- 15-20 mins inconvenience, I say be inconvenienced!

When 9/11 happened we had citizens screaming at the FAA and the Bush Administration asking...demanding to know why our government didn't do enough to protect us. Now that they (the TSA) have these security measures in place, these same people are complaining about being touched or inconvenienced. But the moment another hijacker gets through airport security because they weren't properly searched, yourself and others will be right back complaining to the government again demanding to know why they didn't screen the hijackers.

IT'S RIDICULOUS!!!

If you don't want your junk to be touched, go through the scanner. If you must get manually screened, accept it as a necessary security procedure FOR YOUR SAFETY and the SECURITY OF THE NATION and move on!

It's really just that simple. No call to your freedom being taken away, no intrusion on your person, no civil or human rights violations. ENOUGH OF THE BS! Just go throught the scanner, get frisked if necessary, board your flight and have a nice day.
 
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I'm not about to go over 67 pages and over 650 posts to review the direction of this thread. So, I'll just add my :twocents: worth and be done with it.

I think those who are complaining about the airport security screenings by the TSA need to get over themselves.

On September 11, 2001, 19 men dressed in civilian attire blended in with the rest of the American businessmen and common airline travelers and ultimately did harm to well over 3,000 innocent people using box cutters they likely hid on their person or within their carry-on luggage. The forced four commercial jets into two high rise structures in downtown NYC, our nation's defense headquarters and into a field near a small Pennsylvania town. Nine years later, our national security apporatus has finally developed a system whereby passengers are screened beyond the mere use of metal detectors and X-ray machines to scan over luggage that can still miss small objects that could poss a threat to our national security.

As for passenger screening, metal detectors are a good first line of defense for discovering small, hand carried weapons, but as we've seen with the shoe bomber sometimes that's not enough. Speaking of the shoe bomber, people are throwing "profiling" around (again) as if that in itself will help us properly identify would-be terrorist. Sure, the nineteen 9/11 hijackers were all of middle-easteren decent (Saudi Arabian mostly), but their profiles wouldn't fit that of the Shoe Bomber nor the Christmas Day bomber from a year ago, now would it? My point?

A terrorist has no face! You don't know what he - or she - may look like. And by focusing strictly on one democraphic or nationality, you potentially inadvertantly give the enemy an opening - hide box cutters, small components or even explosives in small amounts on small children or the elderly where such components can be reassembled onboard commercial planes. Yeah, that'll learn us to stay vigilent!! Dont' inconvenience my baby or grandma because they don't fit the profile of a killer. Real smart, people!

Look, if these people who wish to do us harm can find a way around our airport security systems, believe me when I say THEY WILL FIND A WAY! And this petty scabbling about the TSA trying to do their job to keep us safe is bound to give them the exact opening they need to get past the system.

15-20 minutes of haivng your body generely touched in an non-evasive way is a very small price to pay for your security - and your life! My advice...

STFU and move through the full body scanners if you don't want to be "felt up!" And if you're embarrased about how your body may appear on the full-body scanner, might I suggest you hit the gym?

GET OVER YOURSELVES, AMERICA! Life in a post-9/11 world has changed. And if that means you'll be inconvenienced for a brief while just to keep your butts safe, then so be it! STOP YOUR WHINING, go through the security procedures intended to keep you safe and board the GD planes already.

And I'm out 'cause this entire oreal is so stupid!!!

And, if they weren't strip searching 7 y/o little boys, with autism, your point would make perfect sense.

The 9/11 hijackers were all on the no-fly list and bought tickest using their real names.

The under-roo bomber bought a one way ticket, paid with cash and didn't have any luggage; nevermind the fact that he was on the no-fly list and his pop ratted him out to the US Embassy; he certainly should have recieved more scrutiny.

The current procedures are a monument to the stupidity of political correctness. It has nothing to do with stopping terrorists and everything to do with convincing people of how fair we are.

You're not going to catch a terrorist, by making a stewardess, with 32 years of service in the airline industry, remove her prostetic tit for inspection.
 
Then you're just gonna have to be pissed off. If it means protecting your life -vs- 15-20 mins inconvenience, I say be inconvenienced!

But you say they'll find a way around security no matter what, so it's not protecting my life. It's only inconveniencing and invading me.

I'm sure you're all good with the Patriot Act, too.
 
Then you're just gonna have to be pissed off. If it means protecting your life -vs- 15-20 mins inconvenience, I say be inconvenienced!

Yeah, because we gotta keep a sharp eye on those Catholic nuns and three y/o girls. They can do some sneaky ****.
 
Well the classic boo radley shuffle aside.....



One could shove enough PETN up ones ass to blow a hole in a plane.


That said what are these invasive pat downs going to accomplish?


Will boo be for cavity searches? My guess is it depends on which party controls the white house.

My guess would be, it depends on who does the cavity search...


Her...
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or him...
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(I choose her)
 
I'm not about to go over 67 pages and over 650 posts to review the direction of this thread. So, I'll just add my :twocents: worth and be done with it.

I think those who are complaining about the airport security screenings by the TSA need to get over themselves.

On September 11, 2001, 19 men dressed in civilian attire blended in with the rest of the American businessmen and common airline travelers and ultimately did harm to well over 3,000 innocent people using box cutters they likely hid on their person or within their carry-on luggage. The forced four commercial jets into two high rise structures in downtown NYC, our nation's defense headquarters and into a field near a small Pennsylvania town. Nine years later, our national security apporatus has finally developed a system whereby passengers are screened beyond the mere use of metal detectors and X-ray machines to scan over luggage that can still miss small objects that could poss a threat to our national security.

As for passenger screening, metal detectors are a good first line of defense for discovering small, hand carried weapons, but as we've seen with the shoe bomber sometimes that's not enough. Speaking of the shoe bomber, people are throwing "profiling" around (again) as if that in itself will help us properly identify would-be terrorist. Sure, the nineteen 9/11 hijackers were all of middle-easteren decent (Saudi Arabian mostly), but their profiles wouldn't fit that of the Shoe Bomber nor the Christmas Day bomber from a year ago, now would it? My point?

A terrorist has no face! You don't know what he - or she - may look like. And by focusing strictly on one democraphic or nationality, you potentially inadvertantly give the enemy an opening - hide box cutters, small components or even explosives in small amounts on small children or the elderly where such components can be reassembled onboard commercial planes. Yeah, that'll learn us to stay vigilent!! Dont' inconvenience my baby or grandma because they don't fit the profile of a killer. Real smart, people!

Look, if these people who wish to do us harm can find a way around our airport security systems, believe me when I say THEY WILL FIND A WAY! And this petty scabbling about the TSA trying to do their job to keep us safe is bound to give them the exact opening they need to get past the system.

15-20 minutes of having your body generely touched in an non-evasive way is a very small price to pay for your security - and your life! My advice...

STFU and move through the full body scanners if you don't want to be "felt up!" And if you're embarrased about how your body may appear on the full-body scanner, might I suggest you hit the gym?

GET OVER YOURSELVES, AMERICA! Life in a post-9/11 world has changed. And if that means you'll be inconvenienced for a brief while just to keep your butts safe, then so be it! STOP YOUR WHINING, go through the security procedures intended to keep you safe and board the GD planes already.

And I'm out 'cause this entire oreal is so stupid!!!


Why does it matter where a terrorist bomb is detonated? How is it any less terrorizing for terrorists to blow up the hundreds of people waiting in line to go through these security check points then blowing up a plane in mid air? The first time they blow up the crowd at the security gate, air travel will be shut down and government officials will be scrambling to convince us they have taken the necessary precautions to prevent that from happening again.

Hey look, the horse just ran out of the barn, go shut the door!
 
And, if they weren't strip searching 7 y/o little boys, with autism, your point would make perfect sense.

The 9/11 hijackers were all on the no-fly list and bought tickest using their real names.

The under-roo bomber bought a one way ticket, paid with cash and didn't have any luggage; nevermind the fact that he was on the no-fly list and his pop ratted him out to the US Embassy; he certainly should have recieved more scrutiny.

The current procedures are a monument to the stupidity of political correctness. It has nothing to do with stopping terrorists and everything to do with convincing people of how fair we are.

You're not going to catch a terrorist, by making a stewardess, with 32 years of service in the airline industry, remove her prostetic tit for inspection.

Granted, the procedures needed "fine tuning", but here you're talking about a few isolated incidents...people either over-stepping their bounds or not fully understanding what not to do. Those issues will be corrected.

As for one-way travelers, I hear you loud and clear and I agree. But this is just another example of how the right hand isn't talking to the left. I'm referring to some of our security agencies, i.e., FBI, CIA and the like, not coordinating with the FAA/TSA. Granted, these such issues (one-way flights, passengers with prostetics) should be handled differently, but overall we all need to accept the fact that we live in a post-9/11 world and, as such, we're going to be subjected to certain things while traveling on commercial aircraft that will make us uneasy from time to time. If you can't take it, drive or take a bus or the train.

But you say they'll find a way around security no matter what, so it's not protecting my life. It's only inconveniencing and invading me.

I'm sure you're all good with the Patriot Act, too.

I didn't say the terrorist would get through our defenses no matter what. I said they'll keep looking for ways around our security measures until they find a weakness. It's incumbant on us (our government) to do everything they can to stay one step ahead of the terrorist, if they can. Still, I guarentee you that should it be learned that a terrorist under these new airport screening procedures, get past a checkpoint because some TSA screener surcome to the pressures of the day, you and your critics will be screaming FOUL!

Yeah, because we gotta keep a sharp eye on those Catholic nuns and three y/o girls. They can do some sneaky ****.

If that's one way they infiltrate because they recognize we won't screen Catholic nuns or 3-yo girls, then yes. IMO, no one should be exempt from going through the scanners any more than they should be exempt from going through the metal detectors. And as I understand the security procedures in place, the only time you're subjected to the manual body search is if you either refuse going through the scanner or you're pulled from the line (I assume randomly, but it could be for other reasons) or you refuse being scanned.

Either way, I think if you cooperate you'll be on your way...no harm,no foul.

As for the Patriot Act, yes! I was against it until it was revised and updated and made into the USA Patriat Act.
 
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Why does it matter where a terrorist bomb is detonated? How is it any less terrorizing for terrorists to blow up the hundreds of people waiting in line to go through these security check points then blowing up a plane in mid air? The first time they blow up the crowd at the security gate, air travel will be shut down and government officials will be scrambling to convince us they have taken the necessary precautions to prevent that from happening again.

Hey look, the horse just ran out of the barn, go shut the door!

Different security protocal.

One checks passengers before they board commercial planes, the other should screen pedestrians who enter the airport lobby. We're not there yet; the emphasis currently is on preventing commercial planes from being used as missles. Frankly, I, too, see this as a weakness, but you can't provide 100% security for 100% of the potential hazards. Still, I hear you, but the same concerns for large groups at airports could be said for folks gathering at the mall on Black Friday or at a neighborhood football game.

Pick your security poison.
 
Then you're just gonna have to be pissed off. If it means protecting your life -vs- 15-20 mins inconvenience, I say be inconvenienced!

When 9/11 happened we had citizens screaming at the FAA and the Bush Administration asking...demanding to know why our government didn't do enough to protect us. Now that they (the TSA) have these security measures in place, these same people are complaining about being touched or inconvenienced. But the moment another hijacker gets through airport security because they weren't properly searched, yourself and others will be right back complaining to the government again demanding to know why they didn't screen the hijackers.

IT'S RIDICULOUS!!!

If you don't want your junk to be touched, go through the scanner. If you must get manually screened, accept it as a necessary security procedure FOR YOUR SAFETY and the SECURITY OF THE NATION and move on!

It's really just that simple. No call to your freedom being taken away, no intrusion on your person, no civil or human rights violations. ENOUGH OF THE BS! Just go throught the scanner, get frisked if necessary, board your flight and have a nice day.


I am sure this has been the call of many a totalitarian over the centuries.


Watch starting at 2:45....1 Minute




j-mac
 
Different security protocal.

One checks passengers before they board commercial planes, the other should screen pedestrians who enter the airport lobby. We're not there yet; the emphasis currently is on preventing commercial planes from being used as missles. Frankly, I, too, see this as a weakness, but you can't provide 100% security for 100% of the potential hazards. Still, I hear you, but the same concerns for large groups at airports could be said for folks gathering at the mall on Black Friday or at a neighborhood football game.

Pick your security poison.


We don’t need to do anything to prevent planes from being missiles. If you recall 9/11, word spread so fast that appeasing terrorists doesn’t help, that passengers on the third plane refused to allow it to happen again. We also allow armed marshals on planes, so you don’t need this sort of draconian solution.

You are just agreeing to slap a bandaid on after the fact. Once they blow up the entrance to the check point, you move the check point. How does that solve anything? They still have some point prior to the check point where we are all herded together because of the natural bottle neck it creates.
 
I am sure this has been the call of many a totalitarian over the centuries.


Watch starting at 2:45....1 Minute




j-mac


:doh

Here we go...the Gestapo cometh. Better run and hide or start goose stepping and chanting, "Hail Hitler" loud and proud.

:roll:
 
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