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Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

As in the permanent pyschological damage suffered by those left behind when their loved ones were incinerated on 9/11?

Oh, so torture is ok if we're really upset.
You know this is basically how the enemy justifies torturing Americans, right?
 
Incorrect. Waterboarding has been defined as torture under US law since at least WWII, when the US prosecuted the Japanese soldiers who water boarded American POWs.

The irony of that argument, is that it was Stalin, that wanted the hold war crimes trials. Roosevelt and Churchill wanted to just execute everyone and move on.

The war crimes trials after WW2 were for nothing but show. I doubt that anyone ever intended for them to be used a actual legal precedence.
 
all I hear is Bush, Bush, Bush, Bush, Bush, Bush, Bush, Bush, Bush, Bush, Bush, Bush, Bush, Bush. I wonder how that could've given me the idea that you were giving Pelosi and Kerry a pass.

Yup. It's like when Bush first got into office and all we heard was "Clinton, Clinton, Clinton, Clinton, Clinton, Clinton, Clinton, Clinton". Same ****, different party.
 
Yup. It's like when Bush first got into office and all we heard was "Clinton, Clinton, Clinton, Clinton, Clinton, Clinton, Clinton, Clinton". Same ****, different party.

Well, when you got a rapist for a president, it's to be expected.
 
Oh, so torture is ok if we're really upset.
You know this is basically how the enemy justifies torturing Americans, right?


Please do not add words to my post. I did not state, nor imply, that torture is OK for any reason.
 
Please do not add words to my post. I did not state, nor imply, that torture is OK for any reason.

Then why pull the emotional string in invoking 9/11? What purpose did that serve?
 
If it's torture, why isn't Obama making damn sure we aren't torturing our own guys. Wouldn't that be more of a crime than torturing the enemy?




Obama Bans Waterboarding Terrorists, But Pentagon Won't Say If It Still Waterboards Military Trainees | CNSnews.com

President Obama has banned the use of the interrogation techniques described in the memos. The White House did not respond to inquiries Monday and Tuesday on whether the president would ban the use of waterboarding during military training as well.
 
Then why pull the emotional string in invoking 9/11? What purpose did that serve?

Emotional string? The psychological damage done to any human being deserves to be recognized; the psychological damage done to a terrorist who has been waterboarded is no less or no more worthy of reflection than the same pd done on 9/11.

A human being is a human being.
 
During SERE school I was boarded along with being bound, put in a 48 in tall bamboo cage in 42 inches of water. Every time I was asked a question and I gave my name rank and SN a boot would push me under and hold me there for as long as 30 seconds only to have it done again in another 10 seconds. Was it torture? Hell no. It sucked but at no time did I feel like my life was in danger. But while in Iraq we were warned that if you felt you were about to be captured, it was better to eat a bullet than fall into the hands of AQ. And these are the people whom you guys want to protect over your fellow countrymen. Talk about hanging your head in shame.

Thank you for your service, but I respectfully disagree. As Jesus said, "What you do to the least of mine, you do to me."
 
I feel like we're going round and round. A war crime is indeed a war crime, and torture is indeed torture. I agree with you on both points. But water-boarding isn't torture if there is consent. Thus when water-boarding is performed on soldiers with their consent it is not the war crime of torture. Your argument is incoherent, zimmmer.

You had it right... right up to this point...

I feel like we're going round and round. A war crime is indeed a war crime, and torture is indeed torture. I agree with you on both points. But water-boarding isn't torture.

Tell me... what other war crimes do we commit on our troops?

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Roethlisberger's president!?

No... he's a quarterback playing professional football. William Jefferson Clinton's the rapist.

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I ddint realise the troops were our own enemy.

Well, if you listened to Kerry post-Vietnam, or during Gulf War II, or Durbin, that dead dude from PA, and Obama... just to name a few... you would be hard pressed to come to a different conclusion. They were al Jazeera darlings.

Sad but true.

Obama is sitting back clapping in support of Amnesia International's move... for he desperately wanted to prosecute Bush and anyone involved using this enhanced interrogation technique. Now he's got them attempting to do the dirty work.

[url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/5196551/Barack-Obama-Bush-officials-could-be-prosecuted-over-torture-documents.html[/URL]

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During SERE school I was boarded along with being bound, put in a 48 in tall bamboo cage in 42 inches of water. Every time I was asked a question and I gave my name rank and SN a boot would push me under and hold me there for as long as 30 seconds only to have it done again in another 10 seconds. Was it torture? Hell no. It sucked but at no time did I feel like my life was in danger. But while in Iraq we were warned that if you felt you were about to be captured, it was better to eat a bullet than fall into the hands of AQ. And these are the people whom you guys want to protect over your fellow countrymen. Talk about hanging your head in shame.

I say torture the hell out of them. They are animals and enemies.
Now as far as Bush invading Iraq..... horrible HORRIBLE move. Trillion+ wasted..... 4000+ GOOD men dead....... many with disabilities. The whole area destablized. And all because of Iraq. I like Bush as a man, but he did a HORRIBLE thing to this country.
 
really? How is he a rapist? This something you get from Fox "news" ?

It's interesting NBC News took this clip offline, but I have it somewhere. Juanita Broaddrick made a pretty much bullet proof case. It's why NBC didn't air her interview until after the vote to remove Clinton had been taken.

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It's interesting NBC News took this clip offline, but I have it somewhere. Juanita Broaddrick made a pretty much bullet proof case. It's why NBC didn't air her interview until after the vote to remove Clinton had been taken.

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If it were really bulletproof, and not just something that some want to be true, there would have been a court case and Clinton convicted.
 
If it were really bulletproof, and not just something that some want to be true, there would have been a court case and Clinton convicted.

There was a court case. Clinton paid Paula Jones $850,000 to drop the charges . I guess he paid her all that phat cash because he did absolutely nothing to her. :shrug:
 
Emotional string? The psychological damage done to any human being deserves to be recognized; the psychological damage done to a terrorist who has been waterboarded is no less or no more worthy of reflection than the same pd done on 9/11.

A human being is a human being.
In other words, it's irrelevant.
 
There was a court case. Clinton paid Paula Jones $850,000 to drop the charges . I guess he paid her all that phat cash because he did absolutely nothing to her. :shrug:

Or it was about money and not any actual guilt. You can't make these judgements without a solid case. A settlement alone does not speak to guilt.
 
really? How is he a rapist? This something you get from Fox "news" ?

"Bimbo Eruptions." That's what Republication strategist Mary Matalin, during the 1992 presidential campaign, called allegations of extramarital affairs against candidate Bill Clinton. But, unfortunately for the president, Juanita Broaddrick is nobody's bimbo.

In an NBC "Dateline" interview taped before but aired after the Senate impeachment vote, Broaddrick says that in 1978 then-Arkansas attorney general Bill Clinton raped her.

Paula Jones, who alleged sexual assault, became instant fodder for late-night talk-show hosts, comedians and Clinton attack dogs. We all heard the cracks. Horse-face, big nose, trailer-park trash. Later, the president settles her dismissed case for $850,000. A lot of money from someone who claims he did nothing wrong.

Kathleen Willey, on "60 Minutes," described an unwanted sexual advance. She claimed the president took his hand and placed it on her breast, and took her hand, placing it on his genitalia.

Where there's smoke, it's not stupid to figure there's fire.

Capitalism Magazine - Is President Bill Clinton a Rapist?
 
Yes, it most assuredly does.
No, it most assuredly does not. There are lots of reasons to settle that have nothing at all to do with guilt.
 
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