• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Amnesty International Wants Bush Prosecuted for Admitted Waterboarding

Barbbtx said:
If they really go after Bush, they should at least go after Pelosi. She was briefed on it and never objected.
Click to expand...

Indeed she does bear some responsibility. It was her duty to speak out.
 
Guy Incognito said:
I agree that it is absurd to suggest that water-boarding as a training technique is in any way mild. It is severe, and it is this sort of training that makes our military the best in the world. But, while it might be a tortuous experience, it is something categorically different from the war crime torture, and does not negate the fact that water-boarding on unwilling victims is a war crime.
Click to expand...

They only waterboarded unwilling victims because the willing ones had no secrets.
 
Conservative said:
I am still waiting for you to explain why you condone a Congress run by Democrats from 2007-2008 that allowed "illegal" activities to be authorized by the President of the United States?
Click to expand...
Um ... what? What the hell are you talking about?
 
Grant said:
Where did you get this information?

When have the terrorists ever ceased interrogation and what information were they seeking?

In fact the job of a terrorist is, by clear definition, to spread terror. That's why they decapitated so many innocent people. It was to terrify any opposition to their political agenda and, in fact, it's proving to be a remarkable success.
Click to expand...

Reread, reprocess.
 
Conservative said:
So are you going to prosecute the members of Congress that turned their eyes away from what you call an illegal activity? If this was illegal then why didn't Congress under Democrat control from 2007-2008 bring articles of Impeachment against President Bush? Seems to me that logic and common sense escapes most liberals. It wasn't illegal and I don't think much of Amnesty International which is simply trying to make political points with their supporters. No one is going to prosecute President Bush for war crimes. Get over it!
Click to expand...

Amnesty International makes a lot of money from the Left and will continue these charades with the hopelessly gullible until the well runs dry.

And given the educational standards in the democracies these days, how soon is that?
 
Conservative said:
If you need help reading the question ask someone in your area to help you.
Click to expand...
You never asked me that question. Not in this particular plane of reality, anyway. Besides, it assumes a position I do not hold.

I think you have me confused with some other hallucination. :shrug:
 
Grant said:
Amnesty International makes a lot of money from the Left and will continue these charades with the hopelessly gullible until the well runs dry.

And given the educational standards in the democracies these days, how soon is that?
Click to expand...

As I said earlier, until they call the UN to the carpet for all the atrocities it has committed they can piss off.
 
I'm curious, what other war crimes do we commit against our troops... I mean war crimes they consent to?
Aside from having to listen to Obama and Biden during rare visits.

Can anyone name even one?

.
 
Last edited:
Coronado said:
You never asked me that question. Not in this particular plane of reality, anyway. Besides, it assumes a position I do not hold.

I think you have me confused with some other hallucination. :shrug:
Click to expand...

Look, you know what you posted on the other thread and that is what I was referring to. Apparently you have a short attention span.
 
zimmer said:
I'm curious, what other war crimes do we commit against our troops... I mean war crimes they consent to?
Aside from having to listen to Obama and Biden during rare visits.

Can anyone name even one?

.
Click to expand...
Being subjected to read some of the idiocy on this thread is probably some sort of war crime.
 
Conservative said:
Look, you know what you posted on the other thread and that is what I was referring to. Apparently you have a short attention span.
Click to expand...
I know what I posted on the thread, but clearly you do not. I'm not surprised, since you fled the thread in terror.

Would you like to take this discussion back there, or are you still too afraid?
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
I was about to go out and waterboard myself as opposed to read any more in this thread. :lol:
Click to expand...
We can go waterboard each other. Hopefully the mental stress will erase the memory of all this idiocy.
 
Coronado said:
We can go waterboard each other. Hopefully the mental stress will erase the memory of all this idiocy.
Click to expand...

LOL... Just about spit out my beer.

.
 
Coronado said:
Thank God you caught yourself. It's a sin to waste beer.
Click to expand...

Oh... so true, and this is the finest Bavarian brew from a regional brauerei near the Alps... would be a sin indeed.

A crime... perhaps worthy of waterboarding... but we can't do that because it's torture... unless of course you consent.

.
 
Last edited:
zimmer said:
Oh... so true, and this is the finest Bavarian brew from a regional brauerei near the Alps... would be a sin indeed.

A crime... perhaps worthy of waterboarding...
.
Click to expand...
Nice! Definitely it would be a crime deserving of no leniency. :beer:
 
OscarB63 said:
they consent because they have no choice. you either consent or you go home. not much of a choice is it? try looking up the definition of "coercion" in the dicitionary
Click to expand...

I'm glad you asked! Black's law dictionary defines coercion as the "use of force or threat or force." So by the dictionary definition we're clearly not talking about coercion when it comes to military trainees. Thanks for making my point for me.
 
zimmer said:
I'm curious, what other war crimes do we commit against our troops... I mean war crimes they consent to?
Aside from having to listen to Obama and Biden during rare visits.

Can anyone name even one?

.
Click to expand...

Don't you get it? It's not a war crime if there's consent! The lack of consent is the reason water-boarding of criminals for interrogation is considered torture.

To recap:

Water-boarding without consent = torture.

Water-boarding with consent = not torture.


You're making a very frivolous argument, zimmer.
 
Last edited:
Guy Incognito said:
I'm glad you asked! Black's law dictionary defines coercion as the "use of force or threat or force." So by the dictionary definition we're clearly not talking about coercion when it comes to military trainees. Thanks for making my point for me.
Click to expand...

how about a little intellectual integrity...show the entire definition, not just the cherry picked bit that, when taken out of context, supports your feeble arguement?
 
Guy Incognito said:
Don't you get it? It's not a war crime if there's consent! The lack of consent is the reason water-boarding of criminals for interrogation is considered torture.

To recap:

Water-boarding without consent = torture.

Water-boarding with consent = not torture.


You're making a very frivolous argument, zimmer.
Click to expand...

A war crime is a war crime. Torture is torture. Perjury is perjury.

If it is a war crime our government would not expose them, consent or not. Or is it we can commit what you folks consider immoral acts-war crimes only against our own?

And so I ask you and your Amnesia International supporters again... what other war crimes do we commit against our troops?

Bush says Mohammed proved difficult to break, "but when he did, he gave us a lot." He disclosed plans to attack American targets with anthrax and "directed us to three people involved in the al Qaeda biological weapons program," among other breakthroughs, Bush writes.

In book, Bush strongly defends use of waterboarding | Reuters
Click to expand...

.
 
Last edited:
Guy Incognito said:
I'm glad you asked! Black's law dictionary defines coercion as the "use of force or threat or force." So by the dictionary definition we're clearly not talking about coercion when it comes to military trainees. Thanks for making my point for me.
Click to expand...

1. the act of compelling by force of authority

2. Coercion is the practice of forcing another party to behave in an involuntary manner by use of threats, intimidation, trickery, or some other form of pressure or force. Such actions are used as leverage, to force the victim to act in the desired way.


3. Actual or threatened force for the purpose of compelling action by another person

4. Use of physical or moral force to compel a person to do something, or to abstain from doing something, thereby depriving that person of the exercise of free will.

5. to cause to do through pressure or necessity, by physical, moral or intellectual means

6. Forced or compelled into doing something, through fear, intimidation, and/or threats.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Can a trainee say no mas once it starts? :prof
Click to expand...

Ultimately yes. And what's more, they are treated differently. They don't get the fully effort, or full effect. We do that with a lot things in preparation for what we might might face, a waterdown version so to speak. If you think any training you got was equal to the real thing, you're fooling yourself.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom