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George W Bush claims UK lives 'saved by waterboarding'

Grant said:
Boo Radley



This is what free people up against, and these atrocities have been carried out all over the world, to many thousands of innocents. Yet these are the guys you feel are the moral equivalent of the United States.

Taliban - Daniel Pearl Execution Video - Wretch

Any further words I might add would be against the house rules, but contemptible would be among them..
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You don't understand the term moral equivalenancy. I have at no time said they were equal. But one does not excuse the other. In the past, we had the moral grounds to condem such actions, from the lessors to the worse. Today, we no longer have that moral high ground. Even those who do worse, and thus not equal, can point to us and ask who are we to talk, and they would be correct to do so. We say that is is fine for us, but not others. That's illogical, and a bit self serving to say the least.

So, you may hide behind false outrage, arguing against a claim not made, pretending that we are justified in being illegal and abusive, but only in world in which the nationalist wears blinders would that be considered patriotism.
 
Conservative said:
According to lawyers Waterboarding wasn't torture and I would do whatever possible to prevent the death of one of my loved ones. Looks like your country is a mess right now and trying to undue years of socialism
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Please don't get me started on the Tory scum.
 
Boo Radley said:
Never made such a claim. Only that we now make it acceptable for them to do so. We have said torture is OK.
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Noticed again that you ignored when I gave you a link to another source that refutes what you posted. What makes the NY Times more credible?
 
Laila said:
Please don't get me started on the Tory scum.
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Margaret Thatcher, in a television interview for Thames TV This Week on February 5, 1976. Prime Minister Thatcher said, "...and Socialist governments traditionally do make a financial mess. They [socialists] always run out of other people's money. It's quite a characteristic of them."
 
Conservative said:
Margaret Thatcher, in a television interview for Thames TV This Week on February 5, 1976. Prime Minister Thatcher said, "...and Socialist governments traditionally do make a financial mess. They [socialists] always run out of other people's money. It's quite a characteristic of them."
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**** Thatcher. :roll:

Conservatives have enjoyed spending my tax money on **** yet complain when it's "socialists". Lulz.
 
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Conservative said:
Margaret Thatcher, in a television interview for Thames TV This Week on February 5, 1976. Prime Minister Thatcher said, "...and Socialist governments traditionally do make a financial mess. They [socialists] always run out of other people's money. It's quite a characteristic of them."
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Yeah eventually I do think the Chinese will get tired of supporting our international hegemony.
 
Laila said:
Armed robbery is not the same as torture. LOL
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No, you're right -- piracy has always been considered worse.

Edit: I changed from support to quiet laughter btw.
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That's so much better.
 
Harshaw said:
No, you're right -- piracy has always been considered worse.

That's so much better.
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Maybe to you. Torture > Alott
Meh, it stopped your complaining :shrug:
 
Laila said:
**** Thatcher. :roll:

Conservatives have enjoyed spending my tax money on **** yet complain when it's "socialists". Lulz.
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You don't seem to get it, Conservatives don't care how you spend your money, so have at it, throw it all at social programs that never solve a social problem then when the money runs out you get what is happening there now.
 
Laila said:
Maybe to you. Torture > Alott
Meh, it stopped your complaining :shrug:
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It did?

Piracy has always been considered worse than torture by the moral and legal traditions of the vast majority of the world, so it's hardly just "me."
 
Harshaw said:
It did?

Piracy has always been considered worse than torture by the moral and legal traditions of the vast majority of the world, so it's hardly just "me."
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Armed robbery is not worse than torture. But whatever, it is your opinion
 
Grant said:
Why do you need to invent scenarios when the reality is available?

They waterboarded the terrorists, they talked, and lives were saved as a result.

I think we can agree it was a very happy ending.

No?
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NO!!! I don't believe torture works, regardless I don't want our nation to seen as doing the same thing as terrorists do. There are ways to get information in a humane way. At the end of WWII the Germans didn't resist be captured because the knew they would be treated humanely by the Americans. The policy saved the lives of our troops. Torture is bad policy and I am surprised Bush did recognize that.
 
Conservative said:
You don't seem to get it, Conservatives don't care how you spend your money, so have at it, throw it all at social programs that never solve a social problem then when the money runs out you get what is happening there now.
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Oh please, don't make me laugh. Theory is very different to reality.

UK Conservatives don't give two ****s about anyone but themselves and spend the rest of the time bitching about Government yet the second private sectors get a hit. Who do they turn to? The Government to bail them out with their tail tucked firmly between their legs

We are getting off topic anyway.
 
pbrauer said:
NO!!! I don't believe torture works, regardless I don't want our nation to seen as doing the same thing as terrorists do. There are ways to get information in a humane way. At the end of WWII the Germans didn't resist be captured because the knew they would be treated humanely by the Americans. The policy saved the lives of our troops. Torture is bad policy and I am surprised Bush did recognize that.
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What country do these animals(terrorists) represent?
 
Laila said:
Oh please, don't make me laugh. Theory is very different to reality.

UK Conservatives don't give two ****s about anyone but themselves and spend the rest of the time bitching about Government yet the second private sectors get a hit. Who do they turn to? The Government to bail them out with their tail tucked firmly between their legs

We are getting off topic anyway.
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I am waiting for an answer, how would you feel about a govt. that could have prevented the killing of one of your loved ones but didn't? How do you know that "waterboarding" didn't save a lot of lives and if one of those was someone you loved would it have been worth it?
 
Laila said:
Armed robbery is not worse than torture. But whatever, it is your opinion
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It's not "my" opinion; it's the opinion of the sum total of world custom and tradition. Combating its scourge is the reason navies developed in the first place.

Why do you try to pass it off as mere "armed roberry," by the way, especially when you yourself fully recognize how disruptive it is to world economics, etc.? Could it be that you'd prefer to think that it "isn't so bad" to justify your, er, sniggering support of it?
 
Conservative said:
I am waiting for an answer, how would you feel about a govt. that could have prevented the killing of one of your loved ones but didn't? How do you know that "waterboarding" didn't save a lot of lives and if one of those was someone you loved would it have been worth it?
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Appeal to emotion doesnt work on most people.
 
Conservative said:
Did you read Tony Blair's book? Didn't think so. Those with BDS need help. Whether you like it or not, lawyers said that Waterboarding wasn't torture and lives were saved. Wonder how you would react if one of your loved ones was an innocent killed by terrorists and knew that your President could have prevented it?
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Perhaps her loved ones are the terrorists.
 
SE102 said:
Appeal to emotion doesnt work on most people.
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Answering direct questions is something you and all other liberals never seem to do. What is it about liberalism that motivates individuals to ignore actual reality?
 
Grant said:
Perhaps her loved ones are the terrorists.
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Oh, goodie! Let's start throwing around unsubstantiated accusations in an attempt to derail the argument into the territory of ad hominem! Brilliant! :sarcasticclap
 
Grant said:
Perhaps her loved ones are the terrorists.
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I don't get it, what is it about liberalism that prevents them from admitting when wrong and running from the tough questions. Liberals feel and don't seem to think.
 
pbrauer said:
Tony Blankley's opinion? :lamo:lamo
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That is one example, want more? What makes your articles any more credible? What is it about liberalism that prevents you from ever admitting that you could be wrong?

"The Washington Post leads today with an extraordinary story cutting against the conclusions of a series of recent government and media reports to cast as straight news -- with a few hedges and qualifications -- that waterboarding and sleep deprivation worked like a charm to turn (Khalid Sheikh Mohammed) from an enemy into an 'asset.'"
 
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Conservative said:
I am waiting for an answer, how would you feel about a govt. that could have prevented the killing of one of your loved ones but didn't? How do you know that "waterboarding" didn't save a lot of lives and if one of those was someone you loved would it have been worth it?
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I've answered this question before on a previous thread.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/47095-would-you-utilize-torture-save-life-6.html#post1058000550

I would not utilize torture at all so why would I support my Government doing it?
 
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