Obama acknowledges decline of US dominance

TurtleDude said:

LOL-going to a foreign country and telling them that your country isn't any better than theirs is less likely to get you booed compared to telling them that America is the best.

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Well duh being an ignoramus isnt appreciated in foreign countries.

Morality Games said:

Primus inter pares. Other nations have gone through too much turbulence and made too many economic, political, and cultural advancements to feel as though they owe deference to the United States. Particularly since many of them credit the United States and other Western nations as the instigators of that turbulence.

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Ocean City said:

Well, from how you describe yourself there is certainly nothing exceptional about you, but you seem happy with yourself and are probably able to provide for your family. Why isn't that normalcy acceptable for your country? Why are so concerned about America being the best or exceptional as compared to everyone else in the world? And there are a slew of other countries I can think of who's history and influence in the world certainly places them in an exceptional category. Italy, Greece, China (which is the oldest continuos civilization in the world), German, Japan, England and especially Israel are all quite exceptional. If there are many other countries with exceptional histories and influence on the world, is the U.S. really exceptional?

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you know what? you two are making me think.....yessss. I say pull all Aid, and troop protection, along with any systems or tech support what so ever that the US gives these other countries, and let's see who cries first...then we will see no?


j-mac

SE102 said:

What you think obama wants is irrelevant. American decline has been a given for a couple decades. If anything it shows he has a grip on reality.

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Quoted... Because he's just ended this thread with pure truth.

I only had to read a couple of posts to see that once again the members of the I hate America club are so gleeful to bash away every chance they get.

And that is just Obama not to mention the members who put up posts.

Once again Obama has shown again he is a total Amateur who is out of his league, but that would be true if it was a kindergarten class he was a hall monitor for.

When you are economic distress and the economy is largely based on the how well people think the future will be the very last retarded thing you do is go around announcing it to the world.

Has this damn fool ever heard that if you can't say something nice you keep your stupid mouth shut.

I'm not suggesting he should lie. Not that he's not the King of the world at that. I'm saying you can say if asked that we are hopeful or that we have indications that our recovery is well under way.

You know the crap he was saying before the Republicans handed the Democrats their asses.

This is crazy that people actually still give a tinkers damn about this loser in the first degree.

Oh no, I forgot Obama is right on schedule to destroy our economy in four years or less.

After all his phony Religion Says that is the goal. Don't believe it Read up on Black Liberation Theology.

Worthless idiot.

Conservatives have reduced this country to the point where we have to borrow money from the Chinese to keep our Navy afloat, let alone the ability to give any aid to worthy international causes. Conservatives have undermined American greatness.

j-mac said:

Hmmm...Tell us why this exchange between two fellow travelers is not a violation of the rules on several levels...Such as:



You two ought to cool it.

j-mac

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America needs to plan for a decline in its ability to affect the spheres of influence of other nations. If we posture properly we can keep our part of the pie. I think. I don't know sometimes I think the US is an oil eating monster. I hope it doesn't go down in a screaming blaze. Another false war and were toast. A pre-emptive war against another rising power would be the worst.

SE102 said:

America needs to plan for a decline in its ability to affect the spheres of influence of other nations. If we posture properly we can keep our part of the pie. I think. I don't know sometimes I think the US is an oil eating monster. I hope it doesn't go down in a screaming blaze. Another false war and were toast. A pre-emptive war against another rising power would be the worst.

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No, surely the American leadership is smarter than that.

There's no way a leading nation's government could do something as disastrous as that.

Depends, the US has an intermediate amount of state stability according to the indexes I've seen. A candidate backed by apocalyptic christians or possibly a tea-bagger who doesn't know how to play the game could pull a dubya.

j-mac said:

Who says we have a low self esteem? I see that in liberals but not everyone. . j-mac

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Perhaps it's a visual impairment... Take the word "Acknowledge" from your OP: ..."to admit to be real or true; recognize the existence, truth, or fact of: ..." by using that word, you agree to the fact that status has been lost, yet you criticise your President for admitting this. What a convoluted mindset.

SE102 said:

Depends, the US has an intermediate amount of state stability according to the indexes I've seen. A candidate backed by apocalyptic christians or possibly a tea-bagger who doesn't know how to play the game could pull a dubya.

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But even George Bush, who essentially ran your country into the ground, didn't go and do something as stupid as attacking China or India or Brasil.

They only really have to invade the wrong small country for the wrong reasons or in someones sphere of influence then it would be toast.

Le Marteau said:

But even George Bush, who essentially ran your country into the ground, didn't go and do something as stupid as attacking China or India or Brasil.

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WW1 was started by the killing of some minor countries leader. What looks like some minor event, can snowball into something major

Geopoltically I view current conditions in the world to be very similar to that of pre WW1

Lord Tammerlain said:

WW1 was started by the killing of some minor countries leader. What looks like some minor event, can snowball into something major

Geopoltically I view current conditions in the world to be very similar to that of pre WW1

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In what way is it remotely the same?

Jetboogieman said:

In what way is it remotely the same?

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Forget about the individual countries involved and look at what the state of the economy and what the great powers at the time were doing

Pre WW1 global trade was growing fast, along with international travel.

You had an existing superpower (UK) both a military and economic power, a growing power (well two actually in Germany and the US).

The existing superpower was seeing its geopolitical power decline in comparision to the growing economic and military power of Germany, leading to countries trying to form various alliances against the growing power of Germany ( Russia was Russia then and now) The existing superpower was involved in plenty of military actions across the globe, at a level far greater then that of the growing powers. The existing power was begining to view the growing powers as a threat

Today the existing power is the US, the growing power is of course China, (Russia is again Russia) the EU could be viewed as the US in WW1 a potential power should it put its mind to it.

The US does feel threatened by the growth of China both economically and militarily, hence the growing ties to India by the US governmment. China is growing and will continue to do so. The main issue will be. Will the US do anything to actively limit China in its geopolitcal and economic influence/growth. That will be the determining issue regarding a peacefull rise of China or not. If the US tries to actively limit China's growth, conflict will come, if the US does not actively limit China's growth, then conflict is quite unlikely

Lord Tammerlain said:

WW1 was started by the killing of some minor countries leader. What looks like some minor event, can snowball into something major

Geopoltically I view current conditions in the world to be very similar to that of pre WW1

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World War I was started after a Serbian nationalist assassinated the Archduke of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, perhaps the fifth most powerful nation on Earth at the time.

Just thought I'd say.

Jetboogieman said:

It takes big cahoonas to say something that is highly unpopular but true.

America had its chance to be top dog, and squandered it. Left the only superpower in the 90s and was doing ok..

And then everything went to **** under Bush. Two unwinnable wars. Disastrous financial policies and deregulation. Having an entire society based on greed and gluttony (and housing prices that have to continue to rise).

If you're looking for the reason Americas dominance has declined. You need only look in the mirror.

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Absolute nonsense. American greatness was lost when the character of the American people changed.

j-mac said:

So here we go....Before this trip, I thought to myself, just another apology, America sucks tour stop. But this seems to go further now. Obama seems to relish in the idea of unpegging America as a superpower. So my question is how do you see it? Are we the dominant force in the world anymore? And should we be?


j-mac

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Obama has merely stated the obvious, that the world is multipolar now, instead of the US being the predominant superpower. Want to blame someone for that? How about Bush, who trashed respect for the US, when he went to war on a lie?

I have no love for Obama at all. I think what he is doing to the nation is hideous, but I am not going to turn a blind eye to Bush and rewrite history. Bush embraced PNAC, which was an insane thing to do, and this resulted in the loss of respect for the US throughout the entire world. It all begins with Bush, and Obama merely continues what he started. Don't like that? Then start supporting third parties, because the Democrats and Republicans have both sold our nation down the river. Any other position, based on support for one political party or the other, is just plain hyperpartisan and dishonest.