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Results of Obama's India Trip

Obama is extravagant and frivolous with tax payers money. Both US and India taxpayers.

Delhi pulls out all stops to secure Obama routes

5,000 police and paramilitary personnel. 500 US Secret Services and FBI officials. 400 traffic officials.

A security blanket was thrown on Delhi, sanitising all routes and areas that President of the United States Barack Obama drove through or visited after he arrived in the Capital on Sunday.

As Obama’s cavalcade of 30 cars started from the Indira Gandhi International Airport and headed for the US Embassy around 3.40 pm, the Traffic Police blocked both carriageways for 13 minutes. The security arrangements remained in place as the US President later moved to Humayun Tomb, Hyderabad House and then ITC Maurya.

According to Delhi Police sources, security arrangement for Obama visit are four times higher than for any head of state, including India’s President.

This is protocol for US presidential visits. When Clinton visited Halifax.they shut down the highway and streets in town just for him.

The president is in a volatile place. He doesn't make security protocol.

Or do you think he does?
 
This is protocol for US presidential visits. When Clinton visited Halifax.they shut down the highway and streets in town just for him.

The president is in a volatile place. He doesn't make security protocol.

Or do you think he does?

Did you read it cost 4 times more than for anyone else even their own leader.
 
You are wrong Suzuki has team in the NHRA

I said most, MOST. :2razz: I know other manufacturers do occasionally field a drag team, but Suzuki also fields a factory team in almost every other moto sport too, from AMA races and Moto GP to Dakar, Supercross, Motocross, Endurocross, 24 Hours, Outdoor Nationals...need I go on? Other manufacturers make a wider selection of bikes for a larger audience. Harley hasn't stepped out of their niche in 50 years. Now, again, that's not a bad thing. Harley makes bikes for Harley riders. Harley is what those people want so Harley is what they buy, they don't look at the Honda or the BMW. The other motorcycle manufacturers compete based on who has the best new designs and innovations, because they are all competing for a larger chunk of the market, not just the small percentage that want to ride a Harley. ;)
 
I said most, MOST. :2razz: I know other manufacturers do occasionally field a drag team, but Suzuki also fields a factory team in almost every other moto sport too, from AMA races and Moto GP to Dakar, Supercross, Motocross, Endurocross, 24 Hours, Outdoor Nationals...need I go on? Other manufacturers make a wider selection of bikes for a larger audience. Harley hasn't stepped out of their niche in 50 years. Now, again, that's not a bad thing. Harley makes bikes for Harley riders. Harley is what those people want so Harley is what they buy, they don't look at the Honda or the BMW. The other motorcycle manufacturers compete based on who has the best new designs and innovations, because they are all competing for a larger chunk of the market, not just the small percentage that want to ride a Harley. ;)

You mean the design of imitating the Harley look
 
You mean the design of imitating the Harley look

Harley does not have a monoply on the cruiser bike. Name a few Harley look-a-likes for me and I'll name 5 other bikes that same manufacturer sells that are completely different.

There are plenty of riders who prefer their VTX or their Shadow or their V-Max because it offers a great ride, comparable or better power, cheap maintenance and aftermarket doesn't break the bank just because it's got the Eagle stamped on it.

I'm not trying to convert you or tell you that your Harley isn't great, so there's no need to be defensive. I'm just trying to broaden your horizons so that you can see that there are plenty of other proven bikes and great manufacturers out there as alternatives for the person who isn't dead set on a Harley.
 
Harley does not have a monoply on the cruiser bike. Name a few Harley look-a-likes for me and I'll name 5 other bikes that same manufacturer sells that are completely different.

There are plenty of riders who prefer their VTX or their Shadow or their V-Max because it offers a great ride, comparable or better power, cheap maintenance and aftermarket doesn't break the bank just because it's got the Eagle stamped on it.

I'm not trying to convert you or tell you that your Harley isn't great, so there's no need to be defensive. I'm just trying to broaden your horizons so that you can see that there are plenty of other proven bikes and great manufacturers out there as alternatives for the person who isn't dead set on a Harley.

Yet the Shadow has become a Harley wanna be
 
Yet the Shadow has become a Harley wanna be

Sure, it provides a similar cruiser experience for a fraction of the price. That doesn't make the Harley a better or worse bike, just a more expensive one.
 
Sure, it provides a similar cruiser experience for a fraction of the price. That doesn't make the Harley a better or worse bike, just a more expensive one.

No it does not. Believe what you want and give you money to rich people in Japan and then claim how you care about this country.
 
No it does not. Believe what you want and give you money to rich people in Japan and then claim how you care about this country.

Lol… did you just imply that I’m un-American for not spending my money on a Harley?

Let’s take a brief look at the facts, rather than resorting to rabid brand loyalty. The only Harley close to the Shadow in price is the lackluster Sportster. Stock for stock, the Shadow is by far the superior machine. The Harley rides lower, has an absolutely atrocious lack of suspension, uses a primitive belt drive, and relies on air cooling. The Shadow improves on all these flaws and still manages to keep a lower curb weight, translating into increased maneuverability, and still gets better gas mileage. I can tell you which bike I think would be more comfortable on long rides cross country or afternoons around town. Like I said, better product, lower price.

In a head to head shoot-out, Motorcycle Cruiser (The “Car & Driver” for hogs ;) ) gave the nod to the Shadow as the better bike. I suppose you think they’re un-American too.

If I were to spend my money on a cruising bike, which I don't plan to (I prefer my toys to be fast,) it would be the best value for the money that I was putting down. (Hint: That’s not Harley) I believe in buying American to an extent, but American companies still have to make a competitive enough product to justify my cash on the barrel. Only an uninformed consumer buys a product based solely on its country of origin, without researching the rest of the facts.
 
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Lol… did you just imply that I’m un-American for not spending my money on a Harley?

Let’s take a brief look at the facts, rather than resorting to rabid brand loyalty. The only Harley close to the Shadow in price is the lackluster Sportster. Stock for stock, the Shadow is by far the superior machine. The Harley rides lower, has an absolutely atrocious lack of suspension, uses a primitive belt drive, and relies on air cooling. The Shadow improves on all these flaws and still manages to keep a lower curb weight, translating into increased maneuverability, and still gets better gas mileage. I can tell you which bike I think would be more comfortable on long rides cross country or afternoons around town. Like I said, better product, lower price.

In a head to head shoot-out, Motorcycle Cruiser (The “Car & Driver” for hogs ;) ) gave the nod to the Shadow as the better bike. I suppose you think they’re un-American too.

If I were to spend my money on a cruising bike, which I don't plan to (I prefer my toys to be fast,) it would be the best value for the money that I was putting down. (Hint: That’s not Harley) I believe in buying American to an extent, but American companies still have to make a competitive enough product to justify my cash on the barrel. Only an uninformed consumer buys a product based solely on its country of origin, without researching the rest of the facts.

Fine buy Japanese so they can buy more of America. As I said I buy American when ever possible and believe they are far better. I will bet my Harley will be worth much more than your Honda in 20 years if your Honda is still operable.
 
Fine buy Japanese so they can buy more of America. As I said I buy American when ever possible and believe they are far better. I will bet my Harley will be worth much more than your Honda in 20 years if your Honda is still operable.

I don't buy toys for their resale value. :shrug:
 
Then why buy any at all? The thing about buying toys is selling them at a profit to buy more toys.

I have bought and sold over 7 boats and never lost one penny in the resell and always traded up for something better.
 
Then why buy any at all? The thing about buying toys is selling them at a profit to buy more toys.

I have bought and sold over 7 boats and never lost one penny in the resell and always traded up for something better.

It's simple, how I play with my toys may not be how you play with your toys. My passion has always been speed. Buy it, build it, race it. There's not much resale in that, but it sure is fun. :mrgreen: My toys are for me to enjoy, bottom line. I don't care what someone else is willing to pay for it.
 
I don't buy toys for their resale value. :shrug:

Then you know little about Bikes. There is big money in old Harley's and Indians. Even old english bikes are worth money.

So you have no problem wasting money on a bike that will be worthless in a few years.

I will get money back from my Bike no matter how long I keep it. People are out there looking for basket cases of Harley's because they can make money on them by rebuilding them.

You also have no idea what my bike is a Shadow will never compare to my Limited.
 
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Then you know little about Bikes. There is big money in old harley's and Indians. Even old english bikes are worth money.

So you have no problem wasting money on a bike that will be worthless in a few years.

I will get money back from my Bike no matter how long I keep it. People are out there looking for basket cases of Harley's bescause they can make money on them by rebuilding them.

You also have no idea what my bike is a Shadow will never compare to my limited.

Don't be obnoxious. I already stated that I don't buy my toys as an investment. I buy them to play with them. I'd rather have something I can beat up than something that's a glorified garage queen. If I enjoy it, then in no way is it a waste of money. Btw, I managed a bike shop for several years and still ride when I can to this day. I dare say I know a bit about the subject, I just don't emphasize the same aspects you do (image, resale value, etc)

Btw, I don't own a Shadow or any other Honda. I used that because you were picking on it as a "Harley wannabe" and I demonstrated how the poor little "imitator" is superior to anything Harley offers in its class. Your Limited is not in the same class, but there are import alternatives that outperform it too. I can elaborate if you’d like.

Now, I didn’t attack you for what you ride, so let’s keep the insults off the table. As stated earlier, if you like your Harley, fine, great. Ride it with pride, just know that people with a different opinion or a desire for a higher level of performance aren’t in the wrong.
 
Don't be obnoxious. I already stated that I don't buy my toys as an investment. I buy them to play with them. I'd rather have something I can beat up than something that's a glorified garage queen. If I enjoy it, then in no way is it a waste of money. Btw, I managed a bike shop for several years and still ride when I can to this day. I dare say I know a bit about the subject, I just don't emphasize the same aspects you do (image, resale value, etc)

Btw, I don't own a Shadow or any other Honda. I used that because you were picking on it as a "Harley wannabe" and I demonstrated how the poor little "imitator" is superior to anything Harley offers in its class. Your Limited is not in the same class, but there are import alternatives that outperform it too. I can elaborate if you’d like.

Now, I didn’t attack you for what you ride, so let’s keep the insults off the table. As stated earlier, if you like your Harley, fine, great. Ride it with pride, just know that people with a different opinion or a desire for a higher level of performance aren’t in the wrong.

Superior in some aspects.For me the comfort and features far out weigh the speed that kills many on the highways. Also you will never have a Honda that sounds like my Harley.
 
Granted, and it is a good thing whenever a U.S manufactured good is sold overseas anywhere. But all of these sales and agreements, although announced now, had zero net result due to Obama going to India. I'm not against such trips, and do understand the added cost of security, but feel this trip is too encumbered by costs, and will be as a political anchor on Obama's neck. There needed to be some evidence of a better respect for teh taxpayer dollar, and there was not. They could have met at a remote resort, or on an Indian military base, and not had this be such a blunder in Presidential trip economics.

So Barack and Michelle got to dance with the kids. I don't think it was worth the price of admission.


No

The US will manufacture all of the parts, put the parts in a big box, send the box to India where final assembly will occur, where the motorcycles will be sold in India not in the US, net gain to the US
 
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Superior in some aspects.For me the comfort and features far out weigh the speed that kills many on the highways. Also you will never have a Honda that sounds like my Harley.

Different strokes, my friend. Ride what you enjoy, like I said. I have no aspirations to own any sort of Honda cruiser, but you'll never have a Harley that sounds like my 2004 Cobra.

:rock
 
Different strokes, my friend. Ride what you enjoy, like I said. I have no aspirations to own any sort of Honda cruiser, but you'll never have a Harley that sounds like my 2004 Cobra.

:rock

You mean a Kymco?
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2004 KYMCO Cobra Cross Reviews, Prices, and Specs
 
Yeah, kinda like that. Strange though... mine had a few more wheels. Looked a bit like this...
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So how do you expect a 70 horse 2 cylinder to sound like a V-8. Personally I like the sound better of a Harley than a Ford.
 
So how do you expect a 70 horse 2 cylinder to sound like a V-8. Personally I like the sound better of a Harley than a Ford.

I never said I expected anything of the sort. You threw down an anecdotal statement so I just did you one better. We were talking about how Harley is not the final word in motorcycles, not how your new pipes sound. ;)
 
I never said I expected anything of the sort. You threw down an anecdotal statement so I just did you one better. We were talking about how Harley is not the final word in motorcycles, not how your new pipes sound. ;)

A Cobra is not a motorcycle. I have a 2000 GMC Sierra with a 5.3 liter with headers and a computer chip it also sounds good.

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I traded a 2005 Heritage for my 2011 Electra Glide Ultra Limited. I love both bikes but the Limited is a much better bike annd the 103 CI is much more powerful than the 88CI was.

If a I want cheap Jap crap I know where to get it. My autos and motorcycle are all US companies. GM and HD

I don't suppose you'd be offended if I pointed out that all the reviewers from the article you posted picked the Jap crap over the fat boy?
 
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