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Results of Obama's India Trip

So just checking in this morning, some conservatives still believe this outrageous and false claim of 200 million dollars a day?

Or have they recanted...?

WAS THIS The part where honor is restored?

And can you prove its not true?

Earlier in the thread I came up with a total of 300 million for this trip.

The question is now, can America afford this ill advised and overly expensive trip so Obama can forget about the ass kicking Americans just gave his party and in truth himself.

The American people are sick of this type of spending like Royalty our elected leadership believe they are entitled to just because they can get away with it. Obama has proven with his many vacations in two years that he doesnt believe in a budget while traveling. Yet the hypocrite stands up in front of every other American and tells us that we must sacrifice during America troubled times.
 
You are wrong.Harley has made advances through their racing program that they have put into the bikes they sell to the public. Why buy a jap bike that tries to look like Harley when you can have a Harley. Their is reason their are so many Jap wanna be Harley look a likes.

I hate to rain on your Harley parade, Sir, but they have not had a credible racing victory since the 1960's. I'm sorry to say that Harley-Davidson bikes are a triumph of style over content. True, they were good in their heyday (about 50 years ago) but times have changed and motorbike technology has improved radically since then. Not that Harley Davidson seems to have noticed. They are overpriced, overweight and still overrated.

Now, that said, there's nothing wrong with owning a Harley. To each their own and if that's what you enjoy, then by all means buy as many Harley's as you can afford. Harley has stumbled on a business model that works for them and certain bikes are even beautiful and I'd almost venture to call them works of art, but let's not confuse that big, heavy piece of rolling chrome with the true technical advancements that are being made by other manufacturers.

Now, let's get back on topic, shall we? ;)
 
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and who whines about it saying republicans are in the pocket of big business then turn around and applaud obama for doing the same thing. Hypocrisy and liberalism go hand and hand.

Not the point since I have never given my opinion on the idea of a US president helping big business in this way. My point is yet again the hypocrisy of the right by attacking Obama with lies (2 billion claim) and the fact that he is helping US business interests with the trip. Every President in the last 30 years at least, has used such trips to forward the interests of US business world wide. Bush did it when he went to the Olympics in 2008, his father did it a number of times in the 1990s and so on and so on.

This just another hyperpartisan attack on Obama and one based on an outright lie.
 
Well, it's SOP for the Obama Admin, not to tell the right story, the first time.

But, we'll see. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Be sure and keep us posted on the status of these trade deals.

You've never admited to being wrong. It's still a 200 million dollar a day trip right?
 
The hypocrisy of certain free market conservative supporters when they think assembly jobs are 'American jobs'. American companies have had assembly lines in other countries since the beginning of mass produced motorized vehicles. Ford was the first truly multinational company because of this.
 
And so was every other President......You do know Bush did exactly the same... as did Reagan, and Clinton..

Let me guess, its cause it is Obama that it is now some how wrong...

Of course not... it's only wrong if the a Republican does it.... then they are in bed with big business, remember?
 
You're asking me to prove a negative? Are we being asked to do that now?

So if you know so much about the costs of this trip why dont you enlighten us. Oh that's right, the Obamay admin wont release the costs of this trip. So you claiming that it is or isnt going to cost 200 million aday or 20 cents aday is like you pissing in the wind. One way or another it ends up in your face.

Hey since I am paying for it at least I should know how much its going to cost me and my grandchildren children. Wasn't it the democrats whom talked of transparencies?
 
So if you know so much about the costs of this trip why dont you enlighten us. Oh that's right, the Obamay admin wont release the costs of this trip. So you claiming that it is or isnt going to cost 200 million aday or 20 cents aday is like you pissing in the wind. One way or another it ends up in your face.

Hey since I am paying for it at least I should know how much its going to cost me and my grandchildren children. Wasn't it the democrats whom talked of transparencies?

Counterpoint: Provide some evidence that this $200 million/day number has any grounding in reality. Show me how that was calculated. Go google it. I bet you find absolutely nothing.

Official response saying the numbers are wildly inflated is ignored because it's from "team Obama," but some unsourced number in an Indian newsrag is treated as TRUE UNTIL PROVEN OTHERWISE!!! Hilarious. No wonder you people still have trouble with things like evolution.
 
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Not the point since I have never given my opinion on the idea of a US president helping big business in this way. My point is yet again the hypocrisy of the right by attacking Obama with lies (2 billion claim) and the fact that he is helping US business interests with the trip. Every President in the last 30 years at least, has used such trips to forward the interests of US business world wide. Bush did it when he went to the Olympics in 2008, his father did it a number of times in the 1990s and so on and so on.

This just another hyperpartisan attack on Obama and one based on an outright lie.
So prove its not a lie. Oh thats right you cant because you have no more of a clue than the rest of us. You are going on the word of a bunch of people who are not known for telling the truth and have and do lie to the American people on a regular bacis. You are counting on the truth of Tommy Vietor. A man not known for his truthfulness. The same man who has been dubbed Pinocchio by the media.
 
So prove its not a lie. Oh thats right you cant because you have no more of a clue than the rest of us. You are going on the word of a bunch of people who are not known for telling the truth and have and do lie to the American people on a regular bacis. You are counting on the truth of Tommy Vietor. A man not known for his truthfulness. The same man who has been dubbed Pinocchio by the media.

Since when does debate work that way?
"I said a number, I have no evidence. You said a number, now you have to prove that it's not false!"

Ok, I can play that too. John Boehner eats children. Prove that it isn't true!
 
Counterpoint: Provide some evidence that this $200 million/day number has any grounding in reality. Show me how that was calculated. Go google it. I bet you find absolutely nothing.

Official response saying the numbers are wildly inflated is ignored because it's from "team Obama," but some unsourced number in an Indian newsrag is treated as TRUE UNTIL PROVEN OTHERWISE!!! Hilarious. No wonder you people still have trouble with things like evolution.

You people? You dont know jack **** about me and dont sit there and claim you do. Evolution? How do you even know if I believe in God or not. But I can tell you this, you cannot prove evolution anymore in human beings than I can prove there is a God. Both are fantasies dreamt up by "MAN".
 
Since when does debate work that way?
"I said a number, I have no evidence. You said a number, now you have to prove that it's not false!"

Ok, I can play that too. John Boehner eats children. Prove that it isn't true!
And I see I won this debate because you had to rely on immature insults.
 
You people? You dont know jack **** about me and dont sit there and claim you do. Evolution? How do you even know if I believe in God or not. But I can tell you this, you cannot prove evolution anymore in human beings than I can prove there is a God. Both are fantasies dreamt up by "MAN".

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So I see you take anyone at their word even after being fooled how many times?

Obamay claims there is a spaceship waiting to take everyone to a new wonderful world and you would be the first to line up to buy the ticket.
 
So I see you take anyone at their word even after being fooled how many times?

Obamay claims there is a spaceship waiting to take everyone to a new wonderful world and you would be the first to line up to buy the ticket.

So.

Let me get this straight.

You're using a single unconfirmed source from a foreign newspaper, to prove that the cost of the trip is 200 million dollars a day, you believe that to be the holy gospel, and yet no presidential trip HAS EVER cost that much, but yet you know better because you know, and anyone with a basic grasp of reality is just being fooled by Obamas Rhetoric.

Got it.

was this the part where you restored honor... or what?
 
A Harley is like a Cadillac. You can by cheaper but you get what you pay for. There is also the prestige factor.

Like at my Sig that is a 2011 I just put new pipes on it to get the exhaust to sound right. Just as I do not buy foreign cars I only buy a HD motorcycle.

People in India will buy Harley as a sign of their success

Like a Cadillac, you don't typically get what you pay for. Why buy an Escalade when you can pay less and get the same thing in a Tahoe?

I will say that HD quality has improved immensely over the last 10-20 years, but not enough to get me to pay the premium. If I'm going to pay more, I expect a superior product and I don't really care who made it.

I think your last sentence sums it up nicely. Like I said, marketing geniuses. There's a sign down the road from my house for the local HD dealership, the slogan--"Experience our name"
 
So I see you take anyone at their word even after being fooled how many times?

Obamay claims there is a spaceship waiting to take everyone to a new wonderful world and you would be the first to line up to buy the ticket.

Obama is a socialist, the tickets would be free silly!
/sarcasm
 
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So.

Let me get this straight.

You're using a single unconfirmed source from a foreign newspaper, to prove that the cost of the trip is 200 million dollars a day, you believe that to be the holy gospel, and yet no presidential trip HAS EVER cost that much, but yet you know better because you know, and anyone with a basic grasp of reality is just being fooled by Obamas Rhetoric.

Got it.

was this the part where you restored honor... or what?
So once again you stick your foot in your mouth. If you would have read this whole thread you would see where I stated that the trip would cost around 300 million. But you can cont to tell your nonsense about what you claimed I said.
 
no matter what the actual cost of this trip, it's certainly expensive

i personally don't recall clinton or reagan ever booking entire taj mahal hotels

either way, things don't seem to be going real well for over-his-head obama over there

YouTube - Obama Greeted by Angry Demonstrators in India

i thought he was gonna change america's image abroad

PressTV - Indians greet Obama with protests

President Obama's decision to spend three days in India, while bypassing Pakistan, has also come under fierce criticism. A Washington Post report said that the move has sparked anxiety among government officials in Islamabad due to fears that the US president's visit could likely upset the delicate balance of power between the two nuclear-armed neighbors.

the indian-pakistani border is by far the most dangerous nuclearized divide on earth

PressTV - Indonesians protest Obama visit

indonesian muslims? it appears american women, working class whites, catholics, youths, seniors, low earners, hi earners, independents and just about every other cross sectional demographic of the OLD obama domestic coalition aren't alone in abandoning obnoxious obama

The Indian public's view of the United States rose after Obama took office. But it has since fallen back to its pre-election level amid a sense here that he has neglected India's interests to curry favor with China and Pakistan, which the student who questioned him wondered why he didn't call "a terrorist state."

In India, Obama faces questions on U.S. relations with Pakistan

and, as reuters, ft, ap and cnbc pointed out thursday, the goof is gonna get grilled at the g20

ap, i think it was, called him "the last keynesian"

they're referring to bernanke's latest 600B bailout of garbage and junk, made public this week

party on, progressives
 
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Counterpoint: Provide some evidence that this $200 million/day number has any grounding in reality. Show me how that was calculated. Go google it. I bet you find absolutely nothing.

I had to do it, just because I was curious. The largest part of that huge trip cost has to be the 34 warships that are being deployed there, right? After all, one aircraft carrier costs the Navy approx. $438,356.16 alone in operating costs each day.
Federation of American Scientists :: CVN-68 Nimitz-class

However, these are the five carriers closest to that area of operations currently:

USS Nimitz (CVN 68) - Is currently in the Pacific Ocean conducting operations off the California Coast.

USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN 72) - 5th Fleet GULF OF OMAN (Nov. 1, 2010)

USS George Washington (CVN 73) - East China Sea / Just returned to Yokosuka, Japan

USS Harry S. Truman (CVN 75) - 5th Fleet Arabian Gulf supporting maritime security operations and theater security cooperation efforts in the U.S. 5th Fleet area of responsibility.

USS Ronald Reagan (CVN 76) - Pacific Ocean completing a composite training unit exercise in preparation for an upcoming deployment.

All of that is public information from The US Navy You can go there any time to find out which ships are deployed and where. Updated daily and from the official navy.mil website

Now, if I recall correctly, the “34 warships” that were accompanying the President were rumored to have at least one aircraft carrier in their task group. The above would seem to dismiss that claim at face value, thereby casting doubt on the whole premise of the inflated costs of the trip.

Let’s see if we can refer to any authoritative sources for further clarification here:
Pentagon press secretary Geoff Morrell called the notion of sending so many warships to protect the president “comical.”
“I will take the liberty this time of dismissing as absolutely absurd this notion that somehow we were deploying 10 percent of the Navy -- some 34 ships and an aircraft carrier -- in support of the president's trip to Asia,” Morrell told reporters on Thursday.

I’d say the Pentagon most likely knows where their warships are.

Furthermore…
“Foreign media always exaggerate about presidential trips,” Gordon Johndroe, former deputy White House spokesman under President George W. Bush, said in an e-mail.. “I am positive there will not be ‘34 warships’ involved in this trip.”

It’s hard to put a price tag on presidential trips overseas because several variables are at work, such as how high the threat level is where the president is going, and whether the location in question is expensive, such as Paris, said Johndroe, also a former spokesman for the National Security Council
“I will say I think $200 million a day does sound pretty over the top,” he said. “Yes, it is several million dollars for the president to be somewhere overseas. …. But $200 million is way, way out of line. That figure is in line with – how much does it cost to secure an Olympic site for two weeks or a summit?”

Quotes taken from here Will 34 warships accompany Obama to India? - The Rumor Doctor - Stripes

I was pretty outraged at first too, reading the headline about the alleged cost of this ridiculous trip, but it didn't take too much effort to ground this back in reality. ;)
 
Not the point since I have never given my opinion on the idea of a US president helping big business in this way. My point is yet again the hypocrisy of the right by attacking Obama with lies (2 billion claim) and the fact that he is helping US business interests with the trip. Every President in the last 30 years at least, has used such trips to forward the interests of US business world wide. Bush did it when he went to the Olympics in 2008, his father did it a number of times in the 1990s and so on and so on.

This just another hyperpartisan attack on Obama and one based on an outright lie.

It feels very strange to agree with you on this point.:shock:
 
So once again you stick your foot in your mouth. If you would have read this whole thread you would see where I stated that the trip would cost around 300 million. But you can cont to tell your nonsense about what you claimed I said.

Lol.... is this guy for serious or real? Or is he for real and serious?
 
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