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Results of Obama's India Trip

apdst said:
Do you have any source, outside of Krewe Obama, that proves me wrong?

Might want to restore your own honor, which seriously wanting, by this time
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ptif219 said:
This deal was done beforehand. It did not happen today. This is not a result of this costly over priced trip.
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Most likely you are quite correct this and the other announced deals were generally prearanged

This trip is more about future deals like the possibility of selling India various nuclear power plants and equimpment, a possible large fighter jet sale (around $8 billion in sales)/

The fighter jet deal is the main focus as the US is pushing hard for the F16 or F15 while India is undergoing various test of fighters from around the world from the Eurofighter, the Rafale, the Mig 35 (I believe) and the US jets. That deal along with a stronger security relationship with India is the actual focus of this trip, the trade deals are just what politicians (even Bush did it) announce at these sort of meetings
 
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Lord Tammerlain said:
Most likely you are quite correct this and the other announced deals were generally prearanged

This trip is more about future deals like the possibility of selling India various nuclear power plants and equimpment, a possible large fighter jet sale (around $8 billion in sales)/

The fighter jet deal is the main focus as the US is pushing hard for the F16 or F15 while India is undergoing various test of fighters from around the world from the Eurofighter, the Rafale, the Mig 35 (I believe) and the US jets. That deal along with a stronger security relationship with India is the actual focus of this trip, the trade deals are just what politicians (even Bush did it) announce at these sort of meetings
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So then Obama is lying about what he is doing. Why did Harley need Obama for this deal?
 
ptif219 said:
So then Obama is lying about what he is doing. Why did Harley need Obama for this deal?
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Trade deals like this are done by every damn politician, the deals are prearanged and announced with said politicians make trips to the other country. Bush did it, Canadian poltiicians did it, Chinese polticians do it, the Indian poltiicians do it, european politicians do it. They do it to cement good relations with the other country and for good PR back home. Harley needed Obama to ensue the deal got signed it may have been prearanged, but not certified untill the visit. It also provides a great deal of advertising for Harley in India, saving Harley some money on advertising. It is not like HD is going to have a strong brand image in India. Now quite a few Indians will have googled HD and looked at its products, from actual bikes to the various accesories that have the HD brand attached to it. Harley comes out ahead from having the deal announced at this meeting, Obama comes out ahead, and India does as well
 
Wiseone said:
The assembly process that will take part in India, NEVER WAS DONE IN THE UNITED STATES.
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Exactly my point. It WAS done here, with the bikes that Harley has been selling in India for about 2 years now. All those bikes have been assembled in the US.

NOW, the assembly will be done in India. Jobs here... going there.

It's not rocket science.
 
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Lord Tammerlain said:
Trade deals like this are done by every damn politician, the deals are prearanged and announced with said politicians make trips to the other country. Bush did it, Canadian poltiicians did it, Chinese polticians do it, the Indian poltiicians do it, european politicians do it. They do it to cement good relations with the other country and for good PR back home. Harley needed Obama to ensue the deal got signed it may have been prearanged, but not certified untill the visit. It also provides a great deal of advertising for Harley in India, saving Harley some money on advertising. It is not like HD is going to have a strong brand image in India. Now quite a few Indians will have googled HD and looked at its products, from actual bikes to the various accesories that have the HD brand attached to it. Harley comes out ahead from having the deal announced at this meeting, Obama comes out ahead, and India does as well
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The meeting was not necessary. The taxpayers lose with the inflated cost of Obama and his overinflated staff and friends and family we have to pay for.
 
Whovian said:
Exactly my point. It WAS done here, with the bikes that Harley has been selling in India for about 2 years now. All those bikes have been assembled in the US.

NOW, the assembly will be done in India. Jobs here... going there.

It's not rocket science.
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it is not rocket science, you still ignore the fact that India has a large tariff on assembled bikes, meaning the bikes will now be cheaper in India, which should increase sales, which will increase the amount of parts HD has to make. As such HD will have a higher demand for manufacturing then otherwise


As you said it is not rocket science,
 
ptif219 said:
The meeting was not necessary. The taxpayers lose with the inflated cost of Obama and his overinflated staff and friends and family we have to pay for.
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And again you miss the important part of this trip

SECURITY COOPERATION overall and regarding China, the potential sale of fighter jets, and nuclear technology.
 
American said:
Looks like Obama is a sales rep for big business. :shock:
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And so was every other President......You do know Bush did exactly the same... as did Reagan, and Clinton..

Let me guess, its cause it is Obama that it is now some how wrong...
 
Wiseone said:
BBC News - US President Barack Obama announces $10bn India deals

In India, Obama pushes U.S. jobs - CNN.com

Results in whats been called a 10 Billion dollar trade deal which includes new deals between major Indian and American corporations. The list from the BBC goes as follows:
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This is a good outcome. Though I believe that the amount should have been higher. India is already a major player in Asia and in the future that role will just increase. We should increase our influences and friendship with India more than Eastern Europe or Europe as a whole.
 
PeteEU said:
And so was every other President......You do know Bush did exactly the same... as did Reagan, and Clinton..

Let me guess, its cause it is Obama that it is now some how wrong...
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Big businesses need to flourish because they have big number of people. Cannot do any wrong trying to sale stuff from them to any potential buyer.
 
PeteEU said:
And so was every other President......You do know Bush did exactly the same... as did Reagan, and Clinton..

Let me guess, its cause it is Obama that it is now some how wrong...
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Looks like you're exposing your own prejudices.
 
Wiseone said:
Firstly, whats all the hankering about Harley Davidson motorcycles? Does anyone really expect the President, or any President, to be able to convince another nation into a one-sided trade deal which only benefits the US?

Secondly from my understand the Harley Davidson deal only creates jobs. American workers in the US will be creating the parts which will then be shipped to India for assembly. The assembly process that will take part in India, NEVER WAS DONE IN THE UNITED STATES. Its not jobs going to India, its new jobs being created in India, but at the same time creating new jobs in the US because Harley Davidson know has to hire more workers to make new parts. So in the end both India and the US win.

Now I'm aware that Harley Davidson does assemble bikes in the US, I'm simply talking about the additional bikes that will be produced by Harley globally, those additional jobs have never existed in the US. So there is no loss for us on that part.
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ptif219 said:
This deal was done beforehand. It did not happen today. This is not a result of this costly over priced trip.
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Yes it is. While I'm sure diplomats have been hammering this deal out for months, maybe even years. There's still a value to face-to-face talks, not only to politicians, as humans, still like to see their partners in person because it fosters trust and improves relations. When a foreign leader takes time to physically attend a trade summit, which you bet will also including talks on other topics besides trade, it shows how valuable that relationship and adds extra emphasis.

It also as a benefit of forcing the host nation to pay attention to the visiting nation. No nation will let it be said that when the US President shows up at their doors, or asks to show up, they aren't hospitable or friendly enough to accept his invitation and show off their country.

Lastly, this trip is about more than India, Obama is visiting Indonesia, South Korea, and Japan. SECDEF Gates is visiting Australia to hammer out new Defense deals. Clinton is also visiting several other Asian countries like Australia, New Zealand, Papua New Guinea, Malaysia, Cambodia, China and Vietnam.

Also at the end of this trip there's the G-20 meeting in South Korea, where world leaders are expected to met. To discuss hundreds of billion of dollars in trade deals, as well as in some ways the future of the global economy. It sounds pretty important to me.

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Every other world lead is going to show up, should it be said that America is too poor to show? Or just doesn't care enough to show up? Or any other reason people would come up with for America not showing?
 
Wiseone said:
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Every other world lead is going to show up, should it be said that America is too poor to show? Or just doesn't care enough to show up? Or any other reason people would come up with for America not showing?
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:prof Australia was the only country not to send the head of state.
 
New Reasons Behind Harley Deal, Why Aren't the Bikes Being Assembled Here?

India has import laws which would literally double the price of imported bikes from the US. Obviously by increasing the price so much, demand falters in the Indian market.

Since a trade deal has to benefit both parties, the US and India agreed that the parts would be created in the US while the bikes would be assembled in India, thus BYPASSING the import laws reducing the cost of the bike and increasing demand in India.

If the agreement had the US both making the parts and assembling them, the deal would be worth less money and create less jobs in the United States because the demand for bikes imported would be so much less than bikes assembled in India, again because it would literally double the cost up front.

So by building the plant in India, but making the parts in the US, India increases its own employment, and the US creates jobs for a new demand, meaning those jobs never existed before now, and it creates more jobs than if we built everything in the US because ultimately we are making a cheaper product.

Harley-Davidson to build bikes in India - CNN
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
No

The US will manufacture all of the parts, put the parts in a big box, send the box to India where final assembly will occur, where the motorcycles will be sold in India not in the US, net gain to the US
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Well, that's not entirely accurate. Harley doesn't manufacture all their parts in the US. I don't know what the percentage is, but it's not insignificant.

Why anybody in India would want to buy and overpriced, underwhelming motorcycle from America is beyond me, but more power to them. Marketing geniuses.
 
PeteEU said:
And so was every other President......You do know Bush did exactly the same... as did Reagan, and Clinton..

Let me guess, its cause it is Obama that it is now some how wrong...
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and who whines about it saying republicans are in the pocket of big business then turn around and applaud obama for doing the same thing. Hypocrisy and liberalism go hand and hand.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
And again you miss the important part of this trip

SECURITY COOPERATION overall and regarding China, the potential sale of fighter jets, and nuclear technology.
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Yet he makes this trip at a large cost by taking many more people than he needs to
 
FederalRepublic said:
Well, that's not entirely accurate. Harley doesn't manufacture all their parts in the US. I don't know what the percentage is, but it's not insignificant.

Why anybody in India would want to buy and overpriced, underwhelming motorcycle from America is beyond me, but more power to them. Marketing geniuses.
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Shows you know nothing about a Harley
 
FederalRepublic said:
I don't? In that case, I'm all ears.
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A Harley is like a Cadillac. You can by cheaper but you get what you pay for. There is also the prestige factor.

Like at my Sig that is a 2011 I just put new pipes on it to get the exhaust to sound right. Just as I do not buy foreign cars I only buy a HD motorcycle.

People in India will buy Harley as a sign of their success
 
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ptif219 said:
A Harley is like a Cadillac. You can by cheaper but you get what you pay for. There is also the prestige factor.

Like at my Sig that is a 2011 I just put new pipes on it to get the exhaust to sound right. Just as I do not buy foreign cars I only buy a HD motorcycle.

People in India will buy Harley as a sign of their success
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I believe that's what FederalRepublic was implying. A Harley is nothing but an over-priced status symbol. There are many better motorcycles currently on the market, but because of Harley's name and association with American history, they can continue to sell a less inventive product at a higher price. :prof
 
theangryamerican said:
I believe that's what FederalRepublic was implying. A Harley is nothing but an over-priced status symbol. There are many better motorcycles currently on the market, but because of Harley's name and association with American history, they can continue to sell a less inventive product at a higher price. :prof
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You are wrong.Harley has made advances through their racing program that they have put into the bikes they sell to the public. Why buy a jap bike that tries to look like Harley when you can have a Harley. Their is reason their are so many Jap wanna be Harley look a likes.
 
So just checking in this morning, some conservatives still believe this outrageous and false claim of 200 million dollars a day?

Or have they recanted...?

WAS THIS The part where honor is restored?
 
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