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U.S. offers its human rights record for U.N. review

Goobieman said:
The only people liberals hold accountable are Republicans -- where just an accusation of impropriety is grounds for removal from office.
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Says the wild partisan . . . :coffeepap
 
Grant said:
Le Marteau



A resolution which has recently passed in the UN makes it illegal to be critical of Islam, and of course the laws which govern these Muslims nations is Sharia. Thus there shall be no criticism of those nations which are governed under Islamic sharia law, a law based on the subjugation of the weak (women, children, Gays) by the powerful. It obviously breeds ignorance and hatreds and yet criticizing this backward and dangerous religion has managed to be made illegal by the UNHRC.

UN passes resolution calling for criminalization of criticism of Islam

UN-acceptable censorship: The United Nations tries to outlaw criticism of Islam


And which 'international body' would that be? The ICC? The UN? It argued by some that the ICC should have this job while others say the UN. Both are corrupt and should be disbanded. The Americans have expressed no interest in examining the human rights in either France or Britain, two well established democracies with a strong history of human rights. It is generally the third world where human rights are most in danger and that, of course, includes almost all Muslim, and communist, nations.


"Some" human rights violations? No comparison can be found in Britain or France where young girls cannot attend school, where young gays are being publicly hanged, where hatreds are being taught in grade school, where accused adulterers are stoned to death by authorities, and the list goes on. This is the most disgusting and inhumane group of misfits since the Communists managed to gain some power and now the world must beat off these madmen as well.



Whatever are you talking about here? Do you not follow the UN? Are you not aware of its history? Is the media being actively censored where you live?



OOO! America is arrogant! And so they should be, as well as France, Britain and all the other democracies. Who wants to emigrate to third world nations ruled by dictators and religious fanatics? The UN should be composed only of democracies. Theocracies, dictatorships and the like should not be tolerated.

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights

Article 2 is especially appropriate to Islam run nations. They should be expelled from the UN unless they allow freedom of religion. In fact it would be far better to drop the UN altogether and an organization composed only of legitimate democracies be established.
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I agree with you more than you know, mate. I'd only make the singular distinction that, with the exception of Iran (the only true theocracy on Earth), most of the nations of the Middle East are not governed by Sharia Law just as America is not governed by Christian values, but is rather built up around it -- the UN statute was to prevent hatred towards the religion coming into politics. It was not, and I assure you of this, some half-baked appeasement scheme to be nice to the terrorists blowing up our tube stations.

Anyway, I also agree that the UN needs to be radically reformed, or replaced altogether, by a more neutral international body -- but I still maintain the points that even nations like Britain and France, which have pretty good human rights track records (at least within mainland France and Britain XD), and even more so for still-maturing nations like the US and Russia, even while being democracies (this is a run on sentence and I apologise), need to be subject to occasional human rights investigations. Having a good track record only makes a minor transgression seem even lighter, and yet none of us want these transgressions in our states.

And so, while I am in no way positing that France or America *need* to be investigated like Saudi Arabia, Israel, or Pakistan do -- they still ought to be investigated to maintain their high standard. That's really all I'm saying.
 
Le Marteau said:
So, agreeing with something already stated means I have no thoughts of my own?

Could it not be that, just maybe, we're of a like mind, and we've reached that consensus through different thought processes, because it's a fairly logical theory to support?
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Let not your heart be troubled my friend. There are some posters whose abiding motto is something along the lines of "If you cannot say something unpleasant, do not say anything at all." :lol:
 
Gardener said:
May we only be worthy of such high praise some day. :roll:
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I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. At any rate, I feel the need to clarify -- it's not an insult towards America, it's just a fact -- America's a young nation, America's naive, and in time they'll grow and learn and become more stable. But right now, they're absolutely still maturing.
 
Le Marteau said:
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. At any rate, I feel the need to clarify -- it's not an insult towards America, it's just a fact -- America's a young nation, America's naive, and in time they'll grow and learn and become more stable. But right now, they're absolutely still maturing.
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I know.... Maybe.... Just maybe.... Someday we can be just like Europe. :ssst:
 
Le Marteau said:
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. At any rate, I feel the need to clarify -- it's not an insult towards America, it's just a fact -- America's a young nation, America's naive, and in time they'll grow and learn and become more stable. But right now, they're absolutely still maturing.
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Then, we'll be a socialist ****hole, just like Europe.
 
apdst said:
Then, we'll be a socialist ****hole, just like Europe.
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Yep. Those socialist ****holes.

That actually have bigger cahoonas then you guys do, because they are actually cutting spending. Unlike your congress which will be mostly business as usual.

Also Germany is doing particularly well.

Yep, socialist ****hole.
 
I'd be interested in which country acutally has a socialist form of government. Anyone care to provide a list?
 
Jetboogieman said:
Yep. Those socialist ****holes.

That actually have bigger cahoonas then you guys do, because they are actually cutting spending. Unlike your congress which will be mostly business as usual.

Also Germany is doing particularly well.

Yep, socialist ****hole.
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LOL...look at you bashing the Libbos in Congress
 
Jetboogieman said:
That actually have bigger cahoonas then you guys do, because they are actually cutting spending. Unlike your congress which will be mostly business as usual.
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Very much looking forward to that changing after Jan 3 2007.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Who said I supported them to begin with?

Not to say much better for those that are incoming.
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You're opposed to the Democrats's agenda over the past few years? Obamacare? Stealfromus package? Everything?

Or, since their agenda has flopped, you're going to hop off the bandwagon?
 
apdst said:
You're opposed to the Democrats's agenda over the past few years? Obamacare? Stealfromus package? Everything?

Or, since their agenda has flopped, you're going to hop off the bandwagon?
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Who said I didn't support some of those things.

Obamacare as you aptly name it, has been so misinterpreted and so many blatant lies made about it, I can't even tell whats fact, and made up right wing rhetoric. So thanks for that.

All I have to say is, in certain aspects.

If you can find money to kill people apdst. Then you can find money to help people.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Who said I didn't support some of those things.

Obamacare as you aptly name it, has been so misinterpreted and so many blatant lies made about it, I can't even tell whats fact, and made up right wing rhetoric. So thanks for that.

All I have to say is, in certain aspects.

If you can find money to kill people apdst. Then you can find money to help people.
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A better idea, would to allow people to help themselves.
 
Le Marteau said:
I agree with you more than you know, mate. I'd only make the singular distinction that, with the exception of Iran (the only true theocracy on Earth), most of the nations of the Middle East are not governed by Sharia Law just as America is not governed by Christian values, but is rather built up around it -- the UN statute was to prevent hatred towards the religion coming into politics. It was not, and I assure you of this, some half-baked appeasement scheme to be nice to the terrorists blowing up our tube stations.

Anyway, I also agree that the UN needs to be radically reformed, or replaced altogether, by a more neutral international body -- but I still maintain the points that even nations like Britain and France, which have pretty good human rights track records (at least within mainland France and Britain XD), and even more so for still-maturing nations like the US and Russia, even while being democracies (this is a run on sentence and I apologise), need to be subject to occasional human rights investigations. Having a good track record only makes a minor transgression seem even lighter, and yet none of us want these transgressions in our states.

And so, while I am in no way positing that France or America *need* to be investigated like Saudi Arabia, Israel, or Pakistan do -- they still ought to be investigated to maintain their high standard. That's really all I'm saying.
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Two points. The Constitution of the United States, this "still maturing nation", is not only older than the French, German, Italian, Belgian, Spanish and Greek constitutions, it's older than all of them put together.

Secondly, regarding any 'investigations", who will do the investigating and how would this avoid exploiting political differences and effect national sovereignty? We can see what's happened at the UN, where entrance rules have been ignored, and that similar international bodies have proven to be ineffective and political Trojan horses.
 
apdst said:
A better idea, would to allow people to help themselves.
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They seem also to forget the idea of neighbor helping neighbor.

Now we avoid our own responsibilities in helping each other by insisting the government do the job. And, paradoxically, those who expect the government to help others, while avoiding this responsibility themselves, claim they are taking the high road.
 
apdst said:
A better idea, would to allow people to help themselves.
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When the system is fixed, there's no helping yourself.

Just getting bent over and ****ed by big business and or big government.
 
Jetboogieman said:
When the system is fixed, there's no helping yourself.

Just getting bent over and ****ed by big business and or big government.
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It's far easier to avoid big business than big government.

In fact the computer you're using was probably manufactured by a big business. Mom and Pop shops just can't turn them out with the same quality or price.
 
Jetboogieman said:
When the system is fixed, there's no helping yourself.

Just getting bent over and ****ed by big business and or big government.
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LOL...you just blew yourself out of the water!
 
Grant said:
Two points. The Constitution of the United States, this "still maturing nation", is not only older than the French, German, Italian, Belgian, Spanish and Greek constitutions, it's older than all of them put together.

Secondly, regarding any 'investigations", who will do the investigating and how would this avoid exploiting political differences and effect national sovereignty? We can see what's happened at the UN, where entrance rules have been ignored, and that similar international bodies have proven to be ineffective and political Trojan horses.
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In regards to your first point, I'll make the singular statement that a document that partially outlines your system of government, as worthy as it may be, even if it's still in use, does not denote the end of the maturing period for your civilisation.

At any rate, I'd hope that you think the US is still maturing, because it's a ****ty place for your evolution to have stopped, if it indeed has at the present day.

For the second point -- well that's certainly the trick, isn't it? I'm not claiming to have the perfect solution to the problem you've named, but I am saying that we must work to find one, as no nation should be exempt from investigation into international law.
 
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