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2010 Midterm Results Discussion

Boo Radley said:
You're mistaken and don't really understand what socialism is. It's common among your side. I could link a site for you to explain further if you're interested. :coffeepap
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LINK!! :shock:Why a link when I have this straw man I have so carefully built? :(
 
The Prof said:
LOL!

you've got it exactly backwards, narcissus
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No, you misunderstand argument and discourse greatly. Hard to teach someone something they think they already know. If you reconsider, just ask and I'll help you out.
 
Boo Radley said:
Hard to teach someone something they think they already know
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the times KNOWS---doctors refuse to take on new medicare patients

the gubs KNOW---we can't afford 12 million more

CLICK and SUBMIT your 60 second comebacks to THEM

LOL!
 
The Prof said:
the times KNOWS---doctors refuse to take on new medicare patients

the gubs KNOW---we can't afford 12 million more

CLICK and SUBMIT your 60 second comebacks to THEM

LOL!
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better to see them not have health care I suppose. That would do the country a lot of good. Sure the emeergency rooms can handle more patients and no one pays for that. :coffeepap

Again, no one I know is unaware of this problem.
 
Boo Radley said:
better to see them not have health care I suppose.
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the absurdity is literally endless

Sure the emeergency rooms can handle more patients and no one pays for that.
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obama promised to pay for his trillion dollar health care expansion with savings secured thru decreased traffic thru er's

he, like so many others, has that too exactly backwards

ER visits, costs in Mass. climb - The Boston Globe

read why

Again, no one I know is unaware of this problem.
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what were you saying about er's, again?

LOL!
 
Boo Radley said:
That doesn't address your claim. You claim that the benefit for patients isn't worth the cost. :coffeepap
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LOL...Look at the date of the article...


1992.....18 YEARS AGO.....and the sky still hasn't fell....LOL



For reference here's the link.

PHYSICIANS REFUSE MEDICARE PATIENTS - New York Times

Chicken Little over and over, different date, different actors. I saw in the paper that Hawaii-Five O is on again. Or as Yogi would say "This is like deja vu all over again!!!!

:2rofll:
 
BWG said:
LOL...Look at the date of the article...


1992.....18 YEARS AGO.....and the sky still hasn't fell....LOL



For reference here's the link.

PHYSICIANS REFUSE MEDICARE PATIENTS - New York Times

Chicken Little over and over, different date, different actors. I saw in the paper that Hawaii-Five O is on again. Or as Yogi would say "This is like deja vu all over again!!!!

:2rofll:
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This is almost like a cult following, how any individual can promote bigger govt, more social engineering, and higher taxes that won't employ one person is beyond me
 
Conservative said:
Socialists want a single payer system where it is the government making those payments. Socialists have no problem with raising taxes and redistributing wealth. Socialists believe it is the Federal Government's responsibility to take care of state and local personal social issues. Yes, Boo, you are a socialist but for some reason refuse to admit it.
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"Government and cooperation are the laws of life. Anarchy and competition are the laws of death." John Ruskin

ricksfolly
 
ricksfolly said:
"Government and cooperation are the laws of life. Anarchy and competition are the laws of death." John Ruskin

ricksfolly
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Wake up, we have a 3.8 TRILLION Dollar govt. today a complete overreach that has convinced you it is their role to protect you from poor choices that you make. They have convinced you that tax cuts are an expense to the Federal Govt. and that the Federal Govt. needs the money more than you. They have convinced you that private business is bad and liberal govt is good. The American people spoke on Tuesday night, 682 state legislature positions and 65 House seats went to the GOP. The will of the people is to stop this massive spending and revisionist history. I really worry about people like you that buy that rhetoric from the liberals.
 
Conservative said:
Wake up, we have a 3.8 TRILLION Dollar govt.
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That's because both Dems and Reps let everything get out of hand over the years. Medical costs, CEO bonuses, Pro ball players and movie stars wages, and abandonment of all rules and regulations, to name a few.

Back in the forties emergency rooms were $40, nowadays the same kind of stitches I had back then is $960. Hospital rooms were only $20, and my hernia operation $60. CEOs bonuses were limited to 8 times what employees earned.

In the middle 60s NASA limited all pay checks, including CEOs, to $25,000 a year.

ricksfolly
 
ricksfolly said:
That's because both Dems and Reps let everything get out of hand over the years. Medical costs, CEO bonuses, Pro ball players and movie stars wages, and abandonment of all rules and regulations, to name a few.

Back in the forties emergency rooms were $40, nowadays the same kind of stitches I had back then is $960. Hospital rooms were only $20, and my hernia operation $60. CEOs bonuses were limited to 8 times what employees earned.

In the middle 60s NASA limited all pay checks, including CEOs, to $25,000 a year.

ricksfolly
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Medical cost increass cost the states more than the Federal Govt. CEO bonuses are taxable and thus add revenue to the govt. Pro Ball players, movie stars pay taxes on their income, the higher their income the higher their taxes

Emergency room services affect state budgets not the Federal budget. sounds to me like you really need to do some better research. Go the the U.S. Treasury site and see what items make up that 3.8 trillion dollar budget.
 
The Prof said:
maybe these coulda helped

Health care reform hampered by shortage of primary care doctors | Minnesota Public Radio News

Primary-Care Doctor Shortage May Undermine Health Reform Efforts - washingtonpost.com

ie, it's all over the place, you'd have to be on another planet not to know
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Most liberals don't understand competition and what adding 30 million to the roles of the insured will do to costs, demand, and quality of healthcare nor do they care. Their ultimate goal is a single payer program just like Medicare and to get there they have to drive out the private sector which they will do.
 
The Prof said:
the absurdity is literally endless



obama promised to pay for his trillion dollar health care expansion with savings secured thru decreased traffic thru er's

he, like so many others, has that too exactly backwards

ER visits, costs in Mass. climb - The Boston Globe

read why



what were you saying about er's, again?

LOL!
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What did Obama do to increase the traffic? And who is paying for that traffic? Again, linking mindlessly without any knowledge of the problem is stupid. Those who use the er and have a payer, pay. More expensive, yes, but they pay. Those who use the er with no payer, ususally don't pay. That means the hospitial has to riase their costs, whihc means payers, insurance companies, have to increase their rates, and we all pay.

I realize that doesn't help your narrative, but then again, thinking thinks through seldom does. :coffeepap
 
Boo Radley said:
What did Obama do to increase the traffic?
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LOL!

the direct answer to your kneejerk question, transparent product of 60 seconds "thought," is contained in the LINK you so unseriously disparage

meanwhile...

ugly: Nancy Pelosi bid pits Steny Hoyer vs. James Clyburn - John Bresnahan and Jonathan Allen - POLITICO.com

beautiful: Republicans jubilant over Pelosi decision - The Hill's Blog Briefing Room

predictable: The job that no Democrat wants - John Bresnahan and Manu Raju - POLITICO.com

who's gonna be dscc?

the landscape heading into the 2012 senate races could not look worse for the party of pelosi

jon tester of MONTANA, ben nelson of NEBRASKA and budget chair KENT CONRAD, co author of obamacare, in NORTH DAKOTA are UP

worry

combat boots webb in VIRGINIA (where republicans currently hold TWELVE of the THIRTEEN congressional districts, and that unlucky 13th is gerald connolly in fairfax, north virginia, dc suburbs, who is heading into a RECOUNT)

bob casey in PA, where knuckle dragging neanderthals just stole BOTH state houses and FIVE congressional seats, as well as GUB and SENATOR TOOMEY (a teapartier in pa!)

bill nelson in FLORIDA, where MY SIDE dominates tallahassee (we just achieved a filibuster proof majority) and RUBIO raced by TWENTY and suzanne kosmas, ron klein, alan boyd and ALAN GRAYSON (by EIGHTEEN points) were all REPEALED and REPLACED

sherrod brown in OHIO, where the gop controls the captitol---gub and both houses (heading into reapportionment, giving us huge advantages in the 2012 house race)---and steve driehaus, charlie wilson, mary joe kilroy, zack space and john boccierri were boorishly BOOTED

claire mccaskill in show me MISSOURI, where roy blunt beat rubberstamp carnahan by THIRTEEN (unheard of in this most belllwether bailiwick in the union), 17 term armed services chair IKE SKELTON was skeedaddled, both houses in jefferson city are DARK RED

debbie stabenow in MICHIGAN, where rick snyder just took lansing by EIGHTEEN, republicans just took the state senate (the house was already ours) and mark schauer's and bart stupak's house seats were also pilfered

herb kohl in WISONSIN where we just captured BOTH state assemblies, the gub, russ feingold's senate seat, 2 H's (including ornery david obey's)...

maria cantwell in washington, jeff bingaman in new mexico (did you catch the contest for albequerque), amy klobuchar in minnesota (both north star state assemblies are newly red, 18 term transportation chair jim oberstar is OUT)

by mature accouting, needing FOUR senate seats to steal upstairs, republicans are looking at 3 likely republicans, 6 lean republicans, and 3 tossups, all currently blue

and what if 79 year old difi in my home CA quits?

JOE MANCHIN's reupped in 2012, did you see him put his BULLET thru cap and trade?

how do you think JOE MANCHIN, who ran as far away from barack hussein as even a republican can, is gonna behave in the interrum?

my side, in contrast, has only 9 senators facing reelection in 2012, all safe except SCOTT BROWN, jersey #41, in chappaquiddick teddy's vineyard

this is not spin, it's the true lay of the land (read politico, read elsewhere)

no wonder no one wants to be dscc in 2011

reds control reapportionment, worth about 20 house seats (all else being equal)

expect, if history serves, another two dozen or so dem retirements, creating openings my side can exploit as eagerly as we grabbed brian baird's WA3, brad ellsworth's IN8, david obey's WI7, marion berry's and vic snyders ARK's 1 and 2, john tanner's and bart gordon's TN's 6 and 8, eric massa's NY29, admiral sestak's PA7, bart stupak's MI1...

for the twenty twelve PRESIDENTIAL, red states (texas, florida, arizona, georgia, south carolina, utah) have been awarded TEN brand new electoral votes due to population growth measured in the 2010 census

blue states, meanwhile (new york, illinois, massachusetts, new jersey, michigan, which backed obama last time) simultaneously LOSE a half dozen

that's a net SIXTEEN point electoral edge for the party of palin

and, of course, we can always expect the usual handful of party switchers that follow every wave election

after all, blue dogs really AREN'T welcome in nancy's caucus, nor are pro lifers

it is what it is, most excellently

party on, pals
 
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ricksfolly said:
That's because both Dems and Reps let everything get out of hand over the years. Medical costs, CEO bonuses, Pro ball players and movie stars wages, and abandonment of all rules and regulations, to name a few.

Back in the forties emergency rooms were $40, nowadays the same kind of stitches I had back then is $960. Hospital rooms were only $20, and my hernia operation $60. CEOs bonuses were limited to 8 times what employees earned.

In the middle 60s NASA limited all pay checks, including CEOs, to $25,000 a year.

ricksfolly
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Well baseball, CEO's, Movie Stars... is due to the market.
CEO Bonuses... the market. HSBC is looking at leaving London because they cannot attract the best quality staff due to government intervention in payments and bonuses.


Healthcare is due to government intervention... they always end up screwing those they seek to assist. Milton Friedman explains the disaster in a few short words.

LA: Is there an area here in the United States in which we have not been as aggressive as we should in promoting property rights and free markets?

MF: Yes, in the field of medical care. We have a socialist-communist system of distributing medical care. Instead of letting people hire their own physicians and pay them, no one pays his or her own medical bills. Instead, there's a third party payment system. It is a communist system and it has a communist result. Despite this, we've had numerous miracles in medical science. From the discovery of penicillin, to new surgical techniques, to MRIs and CAT scans, the last 30 or 40 years have been a period of miraculous change in medical science. On the other hand, we've seen costs skyrocket. Nobody is happy: physicians don't like it, patients don't like it. Why? Because none of them are responsible for themselves. You no longer have a situation in which a patient chooses a physician, receives a service, gets charged, and pays for it. There is no direct relation between the patient and the physician. The physician is an employee of an insurance company or an employee of the government. Today, a third party pays the bills. As a result, no one who visits the doctor asks what the charge is going to be—somebody else is going to take care of that. The end result is third party payment and, worst of all, third party treatment.

Hillsdale College - Imprimis Issue
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BTW... nice ass whoop'in last Tuesday. :)

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