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2010 Midterm Results Discussion

Dontcha just love this new-found regard for attacking budget deficits? :roll:
 
Paschendale said:
I have a question. Why do conservatives vote to support the interests of billionaires instead of their own social and economic classes?
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Conservatives vote to reconfirm that social issues are personal responsibilities. Those issues belong in the states, not the Federal Govt.
 
donc said:
Dontcha just love this new-found regard for attacking budget deficits? :roll:
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Congress has been under control of Democrats since January 2007 and did what regarding deficits?
 
Boo Radley said:
It's a beautiful thing. :coffeepap
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After 4 years of the Democrats controlling the purse strings let's see what the Republicans will do. The electorate spoke and in the words of Barack Obama, "We won, you lost" so get over it.
 
Conservative said:
After 4 years of the Democrats controlling the purse strings let's see what the Republicans will do. The electorate spoke and in the words of Barack Obama, "We won, you lost" so get over it.
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We've seen how the republicnas will do. Same song, different singer. ;)
 
Boo Radley said:
We've seen how the republicnas will do. Same song, different singer. ;)
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Uh, let's see, Republicans controlled the Congress from 2003-2006, Democrats controlled the Congress from 2007-2009. Want to compare deficits? didn't think so.
 
Conservative said:
Uh, let's see, Republicans controlled the Congress from 2003-2006, Democrats controlled the Congress from 2007-2009. Want to compare deficits? didn't think so.
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Want to compare events and other factors? :coffeepap

Same song, different singer.
 
Conservative said:
Conservatives vote to reconfirm that social issues are personal responsibilities. Those issues belong in the states, not the Federal Govt.
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Except that the practical outcome is that the interests of the wealthy completely dominate society. Or did you not notice the massive recession that we are presently in that was directly created by the overextending greed of banks and mortgage corporations. I would also add that the men responsible for creating this massive financial scam got away with it, because we have this absurd notion that anything done in the interest of profit is sacrosanct. Or how about all of the backlash against the government going after BP? Why should businessmen not be held accountable for the harm they cause?

It's all very fine to say that it's not the federal government's responsibility to police these sorts of things, but in practical terms, no one else possibly could. No matter how free you are on paper, realistically, everything you think you own is still only yours if big business says you have it. They can take your home and your assets because you are in debt to them, and we have allowed them to rewrite our economy to ensure that we are all perpetually in debt. Are you a student? Did you get a mortgage? Did you buy a car? We need these things to keep up in society, and the only way we can get them is to allow corporate interests to own us.

So I ask again, why vote to ensure that business fatcats prosper and you suffer?
 
Boo Radley said:
Want to compare events and other factors? :coffeepap

Same song, different singer.
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Events, like 9/11, the Clinton recession, and financial crisis that wasn't prevented by Democrats? Ok, you first, tell me what Democrats did to prevent the financial meltdown. Here is what you want to ignore

Fiscal year (begins

10/01 of prev. year) Value % of GDP

2001 $144.5 billion 1.4%
2002 $409.5 billion 3.9%
2003 $589.0 billion 5.5%
2004 $605.0 billion 5.3%
2005 $523.0 billion 4.3%
2006 $536.5 billion 4.1%
2007 $459.5 billion 3.4%
2008 $962.2 billion 6.6%
2009 $1785.6 billion 12.5%
2010 $1471.0 billion (est.)10.0%

So you need to do the math but let me help you

Democrat controlled Congress deficits 5232.3

Republican controlled Congress deficits 2253.5

Thanks for calling that to my attention.
 
Paschendale said:
Except that the practical outcome is that the interests of the wealthy completely dominate society. Or did you not notice the massive recession that we are presently in that was directly created by the overextending greed of banks and mortgage corporations. I would also add that the men responsible for creating this massive financial scam got away with it, because we have this absurd notion that anything done in the interest of profit is sacrosanct. Or how about all of the backlash against the government going after BP? Why should businessmen not be held accountable for the harm they cause?

It's all very fine to say that it's not the federal government's responsibility to police these sorts of things, but in practical terms, no one else possibly could. No matter how free you are on paper, realistically, everything you think you own is still only yours if big business says you have it. They can take your home and your assets because you are in debt to them, and we have allowed them to rewrite our economy to ensure that we are all perpetually in debt. Are you a student? Did you get a mortgage? Did you buy a car? We need these things to keep up in society, and the only way we can get them is to allow corporate interests to own us.


So I ask again, why vote to ensure that business fatcats prosper and you suffer?
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You think it is the Federal Government's responsibility to control your income? In other words a bureaucrat in D.C. controllling the income of someone in Boise, Idaho?

The American people spoke on Tuesday, you really need to get out of D.C. I doubt you are truly and independent.

the market will control what businesses do not the Federal Govt that just screws things up. You have been in D.C. way too long, get out into "flyover" country.
 
Boo Radley said:
Yep, I do, as it has only been two years. That's a fact. :coffeepap
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So when Obama runs two trillion dollar deficits it is ok in your world to cut that deficit to one trillion dollars? Digging a pretty deep hole which means that when the budget deficits are cut by the GOP Congress, Obama is going to take credit? He didn't cut the 3 trillion dollar deficits in half the last two years.
 
Conservative said:
So when Obama runs two trillion dollar deficits it is ok in your world to cut that deficit to one trillion dollars? Digging a pretty deep hole which means that when the budget deficits are cut by the GOP Congress, Obama is going to take credit? He didn't cut the 3 trillion dollar deficits in half the last two years.
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Again, until you hold republicans just as accountable, and call for both spending cuts and an increase in taxes, you're not serious. :coffeepap
 
donc said:
Oh lookee…the prof found on the google, two links that comes closet to what he has on his mind in regards to….What? :lamo
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Who needs to know? Random links are all one needs to see. :coffeepap
 
Boo Radley said:
That's a fact.
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and it's as insignificant as any other kneejerk reaction

how's the prez gonna cut the deficit in half when he can't even PROPOSE A BUDGET

is this what passes for serious submission?

sad
 
Boo Radley said:
Again, until you hold republicans just as accountable, and call for both spending cuts and an increase in taxes, you're not serious. :coffeepap
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You are not going to ever get me to buy higher taxes because I understand the liberal mind. I will hold the Republicans accountable but as I pointed out Democrats in control of Congress created over 5 trilloin of the deficit during the past 10 years and Republicans 2.3 trillion. You don't seem to understand who spends the money so let me remind you, Congress.
 
Conservative said:
You think it is the Federal Government's responsibility to control your income? In other words a bureaucrat in D.C. controllling the income of someone in Boise, Idaho?

The American people spoke on Tuesday, you really need to get out of D.C. I doubt you are truly and independent.

the market will control what businesses do not the Federal Govt that just screws things up. You have been in D.C. way too long, get out into "flyover" country.
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But the market DOESN'T do these things. It allowed robber barons to scoop up all the wealth and create recessions. It allowed trusts to artificially inflate prices and drain people of their money. It allowed banks (in part) to create the Great Depression. It allowed Goldman Sachs and its allies to create the current recession. Businessmen have proven over and over that they cannot be trusted to work in our interest, and the Republican party has proven over and over that it works in their interest.

So why vote for people who clearly aren't trying to help you?

Also, don't get all ad homenim with me. It just proves that you have nothing substantial to back up your position. Your counter argument is that I cannot have my own thoughts based on where I live (btw, been in DC for all of 3 months), and that a person in Boise is better left to the will of GM than of elected officials. Back up this claim. Why do you believe that Bank of America will go against its financial self interest and keep that Boise family in their home? The federal government is the only body with enough power to stop Bank of America from doing this.
 
Conservative said:
You are not going to ever get me to buy higher taxes because I understand the liberal mind. I will hold the Republicans accountable but as I pointed out Democrats in control of Congress created over 5 trilloin of the deficit during the past 10 years and Republicans 2.3 trillion. You don't seem to understand who spends the money so let me remind you, Congress.
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Liberal mind? Like I said, you're not serious. :coffeepap
 
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