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2010 Midterm Results Discussion

Birdzeye said:
Uh, businesses sometimes don't treat their customers right, or fairly. I see no problem with setting limits to what they can do TO their customers. Those kinds of reforms only get passed when the Dems are in control, and always, it seems, get passed over GOP opposition. Surely you can't condone some of the practices of credit card companies, such as, not posting a payment until it's overdue - and then charging a late fee, even though the card holder submitted the payment in plenty of time to get it posted on time. It's not like a customer could just go take business elsewhere, not when such shoddy practices seem to be universal.

That Dems lost control of the House and some governorships is NOT a sign that people no longer care about being treated right by businesses, who don't seem inclined to do that and who fight any efforts to pass laws to prevent some of their shoddier practices.
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When businesses don't treat their customers right the customers respond and businesses go out of business. That is the way the free enterprise system works and I prefer that over a Govt. overreach telling private business what to do with their money. Businesses fail everywhere except in the liberal world.
 
Conservative said:
Big business is an easy target for liberals but it was small business that employs and hires 80% of the people in this country that turned out last night and voted the Democrats out including Strickland in Ohio.
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and this post has what to do with my post? you are diverting...who is the government supposed to represent 'conservative'? all citizens, or only those that have money/influence?
 
randel said:
the government is supposed to represent 'the people' which includes every citizen, be they repub, dem, indy, libertarian, green..what have you...not 'big business'.....
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wrong...government is supposed to protect the people and their rights...it represents the constitution, that is all. Government really shouldn't be involved in business at all insofar as the business is not physically harming people against their will.
 
randel said:
and this post has what to do with my post? you are diverting...who is the government supposed to represent 'conservative'? all citizens, or only those that have money/influence?
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The govt. represents all people unlike it has for the past 2 years. In the past two years this Administration represented the special interests and last night the American people said to the Democrats, "YOU'RE FIRED"
 
Conservative said:
When businesses don't treat their customers right the customers respond and businesses go out of business. That is the way the free enterprise system works and I prefer that over a Govt. overreach telling private business what to do with their money. Businesses fail everywhere except in the liberal world.
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You're right, in the liberal world, the people fail....at record rates.

WASHINGTON – The nation's homeownership rate is at the lowest level in more than a decade, hampered by a rise in foreclosures and weak demand for housing.

Homeownership at lowest level in a decade - Yahoo! News
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Way to go demo's!


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Birdzeye said:
Uh, businesses sometimes don't treat their customers right, or fairly. I see no problem with setting limits to what they can do TO their customers. Those kinds of reforms only get passed when the Dems are in control, and always, it seems, get passed over GOP opposition. Surely you can't condone some of the practices of credit card companies, such as, not posting a payment until it's overdue - and then charging a late fee, even though the card holder submitted the payment in plenty of time to get it posted on time. It's not like a customer could just go take business elsewhere, not when such shoddy practices seem to be universal.

That Dems lost control of the House and some governorships is NOT a sign that people no longer care about being treated right by businesses, who don't seem inclined to do that and who fight any efforts to pass laws to prevent some of their shoddier practices.
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unfortunately this limits the customer's own personal responsibility. Businesses that don't treat their customers right should fail, because customers should remove their money from them....but what happens when the government doesn't use my money right? Can i stop giving it to them? NOPE....Government is the only system that doesn't work that I'm REQUIRED to pay for anyway...
 
Conservative said:
The govt. represents all people unlike it has for the past 2 years. In the past two years this Administration represented the special interests and last night the American people said to the Democrats, "YOU'RE FIRED"
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the government is supposed to represent all people, glad we agree...the rest of the post is a rant/opinion
 
Conservative said:
When businesses don't treat their customers right the customers respond and businesses go out of business. That is the way the free enterprise system works and I prefer that over a Govt. overreach telling private business what to do with their money. Businesses fail everywhere except in the liberal world.
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Conservatives have more faith in the power of the "free enterprise" system than it deserves. The reality is that businesses sometimes operate in ways that are not competitive, i.e., the customer has no realistic hope of taking one's business elsewhere in search of being treated in a way that he believes is right, because the supposed competitors are also using the same sleazy practices. This is what led to banking and credit card reform legislation. These businesses were quite creative at playing games with their customers in order to extract extra fees out of them (e.g., posting a payment received before the due date AFTER the due date in order to charge a late fee). These practices were so widespread that customers had little to no hope of shopping around to find a business that did NOT operate in such a corrupt manner; thus, legislation was necessary, but opposed by the business-loving GOP.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Actually I live in Toronto at the moment.

Halifax is the best city on Earth, all my family still lives there.

Why do I care about American Politics?

I was Born and Raised in Africa. Lived in England and now Canada. What happens to you there, effects us all. That is why I am so invested in your politics, your successes and your failures.

And also. With people like you around. Entertainment is another great reason to be here :mrgreen:
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Very cool travels. Explains the fascination of government dependence quite clearly, too.
 
Birdzeye said:
Conservatives have more faith in the power of the "free enterprise" system than it deserves. The reality is that businesses sometimes operate in ways that are not competitive, i.e., the customer has no realistic hope of taking one's business elsewhere in search of being treated in a way that he believes is right, because the supposed competitors are also using the same sleazy practices. This is what led to banking and credit card reform legislation. These businesses were quite creative at playing games with their customers in order to extract extra fees out of them (e.g., posting a payment received before the due date AFTER the due date in order to charge a late fee). These practices were so widespread that customers had little to no hope of shopping around to find a business that did NOT operate in such a corrupt manner; thus, legislation was necessary, but opposed by the business-loving GOP.
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You have so little faith in the American consumer and the free market capitalistic system. I am sure that you are extremely proud of the extremely effecient way the govt. operates. Do you have a choice where to send your tax dollars? If you don't like a particular business then start your own as that is what is great about this country. You can use your expertise to take business away from all those other "sleazy" businesses. That is the way our economy operates, the ineffecient businesses go out of business. What about that ineffecient Federal Govt? The Federal Govt is the only "business" that is recession proof.
 
It's still a bit of a shame to see Feingold lose his seat.

Too bad the extreme progressives decided to waste a ton of money this year on races that they should of sat out.

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out of all the campaigns they targeted heavily, only Boxer retained her seat, by the seat of her pants.

Maybe if they would of stopped trying to target red states, they could of actually gotten some bang for their buck
 
randel said:
the government is supposed to represent all people, glad we agree...the rest of the post is a rant/opinion
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It should, yes. It never does, though. Nor will it with our current system. Only once in my life did I feel like my vote mattered for president. As you step down, it gets more representative, though. I've voted for the winner in the House every election but once. But, of course, that means that the other side wasn't "represented".

Everyone overstates their mandate.
 
as a california public school teacher part of my $120 per month union dues are devoted to political action, both at the state level (cta) and thru my local

i have been informed that i am free to opt out of the political action contributions which, of course, being so knuckle draggingly conservative i very much want to do

but 30 years later i never have, it is just a very stupid move to make, y'know, professionally

none of my conservative teacher friends has ever opted out, either, for the same reasons

we talk about it

A stronger union for less than a cup of coffee | United Teachers Los Angeles

but why are chatroomers so often so microscopically mesmerized by such minutiae which comparitively are almost meaningless?

did you see the historic turn last nite?

WASHINGTON, Nov 2 (Reuters) - Disenchanted U.S. voters swept Democrats from power in the House of Representatives and strengthened the ranks of Senate Republicans on Tuesday in an election rout that dealt a sharp rebuke to President Barack Obama.
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WRAPUP 19-U.S. Republicans sweep Democrats out of House | Reuters

big picuture, baby!
 
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Birdzeye said:
Conservatives have more faith in the power of the "free enterprise" system than it deserves. The reality is that businesses sometimes operate in ways that are not competitive, i.e., the customer has no realistic hope of taking one's business elsewhere in search of being treated in a way that he believes is right, because the supposed competitors are also using the same sleazy practices. This is what led to banking and credit card reform legislation. These businesses were quite creative at playing games with their customers in order to extract extra fees out of them (e.g., posting a payment received before the due date AFTER the due date in order to charge a late fee). These practices were so widespread that customers had little to no hope of shopping around to find a business that did NOT operate in such a corrupt manner; thus, legislation was necessary, but opposed by the business-loving GOP.
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Some major contributors to that are how difficult it is to start a new business. First off you are tax'd outlandishly then you have to comply with all kinds of wate and leighbor regulations that limit new businesses ability to start new business. Of course there is no competition, because the businesses that started when it was easy to, are already in there, now new business has to overcome rediculous obsticals to make it....try getting a bunch of people who don't value their money to use less conveniant, but better alternatives....most people will put up with poor service for conveniance, because their money means nothing for them.......just start up another line of credit!!! FREEE MONEEEEEEEEYYYY!!! I'm sorry, but the government should not be in the business of protecting people from their own stupid choices.
 
Graffight said:
Some major contributors to that are how difficult it is to start a new business. First off you are tax'd outlandishly then you have to comply with all kinds of wate and leighbor regulations that limit new businesses ability to start new business. Of course there is no competition, because the businesses that started when it was easy to, are already in there, now new business has to overcome rediculous obsticals to make it....try getting a bunch of people who don't value their money to use less conveniant, but better alternatives....most people will put up with poor service for conveniance, because their money means nothing for them.......just start up another line of credit!!! FREEE MONEEEEEEEEYYYY!!! I'm sorry, but the government should not be in the business of protecting people from their own stupid choices.
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Exactly, amazing how ignorant many liberals are when it comes to how business operates. Unfortunately the same quality run for public office. the only entity in the country that is recession proof is the Federal Govt. Amazing to me what passion liberals have for taking other people's money and their own ignorance in that some of that money comes from them. If they truly cared about how much money the govt gets they would send more of their paycheck without being asked.
 
2010 Midterm Election results:

This is what happens when people are overtaken by an irrational fear of change.
 
Conservative said:
Exactly, amazing how ignorant many liberals are when it comes to how business operates. Unfortunately the same quality run for public office. the only entity in the country that is recession proof is the Federal Govt. Amazing to me what passion liberals have for taking other people's money and their own ignorance in that some of that money comes from them. If they truly cared about how much money the govt gets they would send more of their paycheck without being asked.
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That's so true, i had a conversation with someone who said that the rich have enough money and should have to give it away....she happened to be my boss, so i asked her for a smooth $50 since she makes more than me....of course she declined and the concept seemed to be completely lost on her.
 
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Erod said:
Very cool travels. Explains the fascination of government dependence quite clearly, too.
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I have never, ever been "dependent" on government.

If you believe Health Care should be a for-profit business, I'm sorry, but that train of thought leads to disaster.

We had to pay out of our ass in South Africa for Health Care. And pay we did, I was an accident prone child.
 
Goobieman said:
2010 Midterm Election results:

This is what happens when people are overtaken by an irrational fear of change.
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i'm not sure i understand, are you saying this shouldn't have happened and the change was a good thing?
 
Jetboogieman said:
I have never, ever been "dependent" on government.

If you believe Health Care should be a for-profit business, I'm sorry, but that train of thought leads to disaster.

We had to pay out of our ass in South Africa for Health Care. And pay we did, I was an accident prone child.
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individual greed is the conduit that keeps prices down.

the #1 problem today with health care is the system is designed in a manner where their is no reason to price shop. My own greed to keep more of my money doesn't exist in health care. i pay a deductible, and the overall cost of my care is essentially hidden.
 
ARealConservative said:
individual greed is the conduit that keeps prices down.

the #1 problem today with health care is the system is designed in a manner where their is no reason to price shop.
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When I went to the ER there really was not time to price shop.
 
Jetboogieman said:
I have never, ever been "dependent" on government.

If you believe Health Care should be a for-profit business, I'm sorry, but that train of thought leads to disaster.

We had to pay out of our ass in South Africa for Health Care. And pay we did, I was an accident prone child.
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I agree, the problem is price, but giving the government control of it will not fix that problem, instead it will drive the price up. Just look how the cost of education rises, especially in private colleges...as the government continues to give more money out for grants and loans schools continue to increase price...hey why not, the government is just giving the money away! If you think the same thing won't happen with healthcare you're dreaming....not only will the cost go up, but you won't even care about it, becaue your healthcare will seem free to you, and hopefully the rich will pay all the tax's for you....
 
winston53660 said:
When I went to the ER there really was not time to price shop.
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lol, funny, but that's not when the price shopping would happen....the majority of healthcare visits are not durring emergencies...when you do have time to price shop.
 
ARealConservative said:
individual greed is the conduit that keeps prices down.

the #1 problem today with health care is the system is designed in a manner where their is no reason to price shop. My own greed to keep more of my money doesn't exist in health care. i pay a deductible, and the overall cost of my care is essentially hidden.
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yup, as long as we have this awesome company plan for health care, i'm willing to pay for conveniance over service, because we don't actually feel the pain of paying for it. as soon as you have to rip those actual dollars out of your pockets your decision making changes instantly.
 
Graffight said:
i'm not sure i understand, are you saying this shouldn't have happened and the change was a good thing?
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Well of course.
The Secular Messiah was only leading us from evil, as He promised.
Shame on us.
 
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