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2010 Midterm Results Discussion

winston53660 said:
When I went to the ER there really was not time to price shop.
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Yes, and if you can't afford the payment do they deny service? If you cannot make the payment who does, the state or the Federal taxpayer? Healthcare was a big issue yesterday and let's see if the Republicans follow through and defund it. Seems that more and more people see healthcare for what it is, a personal responsibility that is better handled at the state and local levels.
 
Graffight said:
lol, funny, but that's not when the price shopping would happen....the majority of healthcare visits are not durring emergencies...when you do have time to price shop.
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Yeah I guess price shopping works for boob implants and tummy tucks.
 
Graffight said:
or regular check ups, or purchasing medicine........or non emergency visits....of any kind.
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I do not think it is advisable to Dr shop around for regular check ups. There is a worth in a Dr. knowing you and your history beyond just the charts. I do shop around for my meds though and the best I've found so far is at wal mart. I take seven different pills aday some twice aday.
 
winston53660 said:
I do not think it is advisable to Dr shop around for regular check ups. There is a worth in a Dr. knowing you and your history beyond just the charts. I do shop around for my meds though and the best I've found so far is at wal mart. I take seven different pills aday some twice aday.
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Isn't competition great?
 
winston53660 said:
I do not think it is advisable to Dr shop around for regular check ups. There is a worth in a Dr. knowing you and your history beyond just the charts. I do shop around for my meds though and the best I've found so far is at wal mart. I take seven different pills aday some twice aday.
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Well, if Dr. Know is charging rediculous rates or giving bad service, then changing Dr. Don'tknow to Dr. Know doesn't take that long...the point is more competition drives down cost, government control drives it up, and further mental devaluation of money drives cost up...
 
Conservative said:
So which is it, Democrats tried to compromise with Republicans or didn't they? How do you explain Democrats outspending Republicans in this election? Guess it only matters when corporations that actually employ people and make payrolls spend their money instead of unions spending their workers' money!
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In order to compromise, someone has to be willing to compromise. We'll see if anyone is more willing now. My hope is that both sides will see reason to actually work together.
 
This is going to be a titantic challenge between a Big Govt. liberal in the WH and the promise from the Republicans after last night's election

Republicans promise an era of limited government
 
Boo Radley said:
In order to compromise, someone has to be willing to compromise. We'll see if anyone is more willing now. My hope is that both sides will see reason to actually work together.
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Boo, did I hear correctly that 3 Supreme Court Justices were recalled in Iowa with the election last night? If so, why were they recalled?
 
Conservative said:
Boo, did I hear correctly that 3 Supreme Court Justices were recalled in Iowa with the election last night? If so, why were they recalled?
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Yes. They followed the law like other courts ahve done across the country concerning same sex marriage. Now they'll get new judges who will likely do the same thing. But this does set the stage for judges to be like politiicans and subject to making it not about law, but about being elected. I can't see this as good for Iowa, or good for the country.
 
Boo Radley said:
In order to compromise, someone has to be willing to compromise. We'll see if anyone is more willing now. My hope is that both sides will see reason to actually work together.
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Chances are that won't happen. The House will probably end up being more partisan than it has in a while.
 
soccerboy22 said:
Chances are that won't happen. The House will probably end up being more partisan than it has in a while.
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I personally don't want my government to continue "doing" things....I want it to stop doing things, and get out of my life. It's really making life difficult.
 
Graffight said:
I personally don't want my government to continue "doing" things....I want it to stop doing things, and get out of my life. It's really making life difficult.
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Having health care is a huge burden. Better to simply not be treated when you need help. Ss and Medicare are simply too much trouble and we need to make sure there is no safety net at all. Human suffering is a priviledge. And we sure as hell dion't need roads built or fixed by government. Pot holes are fun. We don't need snow plouges or animal disposal or the health department or anything at all. Let the strong survive and the weak die. Fair enough.
 
Boo Radley said:
Yes. They followed the law like other courts ahve done across the country concerning same sex marriage. Now they'll get new judges who will likely do the same thing. But this does set the stage for judges to be like politiicans and subject to making it not about law, but about being elected. I can't see this as good for Iowa, or good for the country.
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What law? Where in the Constitution is marriage defined? Looks to me like the people are tired of activist judges. Hope others states do the same thing
 
Conservative said:
What law? Where in the Constitution is marriage defined? Looks to me like the people are tired of activist judges. Hope others states do the same thing
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Have you read the rulings? Seriously? The point to law, and don't just say we like it so it's OK. Instead, they looked at equal protection under the law:


"This class of people asks a simple and direct question: How can a state premised on the constitutional principle of equal protection justify exclusion of a class of Iowans from civil marriage?" Justice Mark S. Cady asked.

Read more: The Meaning of Iowa's Gay-Marriage Decision - TIME

Read the full decision:

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/us/20090403iowa-text.pdf

Like many, who don't understand law, you merely say antything that does't fit your view is activist. the judges, as they have around the country, merely looked at law, heard arguments and ruled according to law. Often our words in a law mean more than we think they do. It's one of the elements of language that many don't understand.
 
Boo Radley said:
Have you read the rulings? Seriously? The point to law, and don't just say we like it so it's OK. Instead, they looked at equal protection under the law:


"This class of people asks a simple and direct question: How can a state premised on the constitutional principle of equal protection justify exclusion of a class of Iowans from civil marriage?" Justice Mark S. Cady asked.

Read more: The Meaning of Iowa's Gay-Marriage Decision - TIME

Read the full decision:

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/us/20090403iowa-text.pdf

Like many, who don't understand law, you merely say antything that does't fit your view is activist. the judges, as they have around the country, merely looked at law, heard arguments and ruled according to law. Often our words in a law mean more than we think they do. It's one of the elements of language that many don't understand.
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I have read and read the Constitution and no where do I find marriage or sexual orientation and do not see where equal protection laws were violated but according to liberals the Constitution is a living breathing document that can be interpreted any way someone wants. I reject that. If it isn't in the Constitution then it isn't protect by the equal protection laws but that doesn't prevent legislators from trying to do that. Let's see that happen?
 
Conservative said:
I have read and read the Constitution and no where do I find marriage or sexual orientation and do not see where equal protection laws were violated but according to liberals the Constitution is a living breathing document that can be interpreted any way someone wants. I reject that. If it isn't in the Constitution then it isn't protect by the equal protection laws but that doesn't prevent legislators from trying to do that. Let's see that happen?
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You're missing the point, and showing a little ignorance if I may say so. It does not have to mention marriage or sexual orintation. It does meantion equal protection, and that is the law they are pointing to. It is a leagal argument based on law. Some disagree with their reading of the law, but it is a reading of the law. Not activism.
 
Boo Radley said:
You're missing the point, and showing a little ignorance if I may say so. It does not have to mention marriage or sexual orintation. It does meantion equal protection, and that is the law they are pointing to. It is a leagal argument based on law. Some disagree with their reading of the law, but it is a reading of the law. Not activism.
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There can be no equal protection for participation in the institution of marriage. Marriage isn't a civil right nor a requirement in this country. I don't have the right to marry someone of the same sex either.
 
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