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Mason66 said:
When a cop pulls you over hand them your license and registration, oh yes and your insurance.

You don't talk to cops.

Let him do what he wants and it will be handled in the courts and if he did anything wrong go file a complaint with IA.

If you don't give him ammunition, he has nothing to fight with.

You do not fight with officers of the law, even though they think they are, they are not the last word on anything.
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Exactly.

I once got pulled by a young trooper. He told me I was in violation of the law, because I was carrying my gun on my person instead of in my glove box, despite having a carry permit. I politely explained that he was wrong, and cited the letter of the law. He insisted he was right.

I didn't argue with him any further. There is no point in arguing with a cop on the side of the road. I politely allowed him to assert what he thought was correct, and went on my way.

When I got home, I made some phone calls. Soon the state AG's phone started ringing.

When it was over and the dust settled, EVERY SINGLE trooper station in the state recieved a letter, the Attorney General's legal position paper, explaining to them that a person with a permit CAN carry on them in the car, and that the troopers were not allowed to harass them about it.

I call that a win. :)
 
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Goshin said:
Exactly.

I once got pulled by a young trooper. He told me I was in violation of the law, because I was carrying my gun on my person instead of in my glove box, despite having a carry permit. I politely explained that he was wrong, and cited the letter of the law. He insisted he was right.

I didn't argue with him any further. There is no point in arguing with a cop on the side of the road. I politely allowed him to assert what he thought was correct, and went on my way.

When I got home, I made some phone calls. Soon the state AG's phone started ringing.

When it was over and the dust settled, EVERY SINGLE trooper station in the state recieved a letter, the Attorney General's legal position paper, explaining to them that a person with a permit CAN carry on them in the car, and that the troopers were not allowed to harass them about it.

I call that a win. :)
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I think the expression is: "Smart Cookie." ;-)
 
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Mason66 said:
The government is not rooting for the cartels.

They just haven't found anything that works against them yet.
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That's BS. They know exactly what will work, they just don't want to use it. The question is why.
 
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Ockham said:
That's BS. They know exactly what will work, they just don't want to use it. The question is why.
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Ok since you know what will work, please enlighten me.
 
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I've got the perfect solution for this galling crisis.

Let's ship all of our armchair quarterbacks south of the border, so they can show the Mexican cartels how smartly badass they are.
 
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Gray_Fox_86 said:
Well chances are that you are older. So they treat you better. When I was in the car with my mom, the officer who pulled her over was nice and respectful, professional basically. But when I have gotten pulled over they normally talk in a very aggressive belittling manner. They try to get me to admit guilt and when that does not work they start to raise their voices. Honestly I feel that their pusuit of fighting crime should be put elsewhere.
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lol I never got a speeding ticket until I was a bit older. Not the least bit proud of this, but one night when I was about 22, I was driving too stoned and had been drinking whiskey. I kept forgetting what I was doing, so I turned on the overhead light for some ridiculous reason. Unfortunately, it was a new car, and I had no idea how to turn it off. So when I got pulled over for speeding through a town known for mean & overzealous cops, I figured I was busted. When I politely explained that I couldn't provide an insurance card because I didn't have the mandatory insurance, the officer was surprisingly nice about it. I got off with a warning, and drove off with one hand over the dome light (which is no easy task with a manual transmission). I guess we all have stories.

Ockham said:
There are dangeous pocket area's all over the place. Tree streets (seemingly) tend to attract the unseemly types for some reason. I was on call to do work out in Toledo Ohio, outside type stuff last year. I was in training and knew jack about Toledo but was told by the supervisors to be on guard on the NorthEastern part of town in the tree streets --- Cherry, Locust, Elm and Walnut - and that they had a code if things were getting hairy in the area, to call into dispatch and claim my GPS batteries were dead. That was code for that part of town saying you weren't going to be making any repairs on that ticket in that area that day. Low and behold, I was told this in New Haven CT at the training facility and that day, down the street there was a drive by shooting and 2 died 1 injured about 100 yards from where I was. I didn't think the outskirts of Yale University were that dangerous, but they are and apparently have been for a while.
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New Haven is a pitt. I've never been so scared any place in the world as I was the weekend I spent in New Haven.
 
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Mason66 said:
When a cop pulls you over hand them your license and registration, oh yes and your insurance.

You don't talk to cops.

Let him do what he wants and it will be handled in the courts and if he did anything wrong go file a complaint with IA.

If you don't give him ammunition, he has nothing to fight with.

You do not fight with officers of the law, even though they think they are, they are not the last word on anything.
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What gives you that impression?
 
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Befuddled_Stoner said:
Perfect Solution Fallacy
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Considering the fact the drug cartels make money in drugs, the US or even Mexico legalizing drugs is not going to stop the cartels. These people do not want competition. This idea that legalizing drugs will magically stop the cartels is just a pipe dream of a befuddled stoner. They are not going to stop shooting the competition just because drugs become legal


And even if hell froze over and the cartels said hey you know since drugs became legal we should stop shooting the competition and figure out other ways to make money then they will move onto something else that makes them just as much money.
 
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jamesrage said:
Considering the fact the drug cartels make money in drugs, the US or even Mexico legalizing drugs is not going to stop the cartels. These people do not want competition. This idea that legalizing drugs will magically stop the cartels is just a pipe dream of a befuddled stoner. They are not going to stop shooting the competition just because drugs become legal
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Right. Just like the epidemic of violent crime associated with the distribution and sale of alcohol continued after prohibition was repealed.

Oh, wait...

:lol:
 
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TacticalEvilDan said:
Right. Just like the epidemic of violent crime associated with the distribution and sale of alcohol continued after prohibition was repealed.

Oh, wait...

:lol:
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The mob in the US were not as powerful as the cartels in the Mexico and I am pretty sure our cops,military and government were not as corrupt, weak willed and or undermanned as those in Mexico.

So you are telling me that the cartels are going to stop killing their competition and other **** they do just because drugs become legal? If the cartels do not care if something is illegal then why would they care if something becomes legal? They will still have the man power and financial motivation to make sure that only they control the drug trade in Mexico.
 
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Caine said:
What gives you that impression?
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Talking to cops. :)

I agree with the rest of what he said. Every cop friend of mine says all the time: There is no way that talking to us can help you. Don't do it. When you're asked "do you know why I pulled you over," there is no correct answer. You know that whole "anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law?" It's true.
 
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Deuce said:
Talking to cops. :)

I agree with the rest of what he said. Every cop friend of mine says all the time: There is no way that talking to us can help you. Don't do it. When you're asked "do you know why I pulled you over," there is no correct answer. You know that whole "anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law?" It's true.
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Deuce, he was asking me about that last comment.

Caine, you can't tel me you have never heard a cop say he was going to put someone in prison.

A cop does not have the power to put somebody in prison. The judge, jury and attorneys do that.

A cop is a cog in a huge money making machine, they are the front line that gets the wheels moving. A cop is allowed by law to lie cheat and steal to make his case against somebody and you know what they say about ultimate power.
 
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Deuce said:
Talking to cops. :)

I agree with the rest of what he said. Every cop friend of mine says all the time: There is no way that talking to us can help you. Don't do it. When you're asked "do you know why I pulled you over," there is no correct answer. You know that whole "anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law?" It's true.
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In my experience if you don't talk to the officer when you are getting a ticket, then plead not guilty, he probably won't remember the ticket when it gets to court. He gives out so many tickets, it is hard to remember them all.

If you make a big fuss, he will take notes and crush you in court, however if you don't make yourself memorable, he will have better things to do.

It has worked for me, I would say, 90% of the time.
 
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Goof Noodle said:
There is no place in America that a cop is required to put themselves in harms way. So why should there be in Mexico when the criminals are probably going to kill you should they get the desire.
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???

Being a cop MEANS you are always in harm's way.
 
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jamesrage said:
The mob in the US were not as powerful as the cartels in the Mexico and I am pretty sure our cops,military and government were not as corrupt, weak willed and or undermanned as those in Mexico.
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Our military is not authorized to participate in or conduct law enforcement activities, and has not been for some time.

As for government corruption, we had plenty of that going around. The difference between Mexico and America is the magnitude of the corruption, not the nature of it. The magnitude of it is because of economics.

jamesrage said:
So you are telling me that the cartels are going to stop killing their competition and other **** they do just because drugs become legal? If the cartels do not care if something is illegal then why would they care if something becomes legal? They will still have the man power and financial motivation to make sure that only they control the drug trade in Mexico.
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There wouldn't be any percentage whatsoever in drug-related violence in the United States. Once legalized drugs would be sold by a wide variety of enterprising businesspeople. Even if we were smart and either restricted the sale to pharmacies or heavily regulated whoever decided to try that hand at selling recreational drugs, there would be so many different sources to buy from that no criminal organization on the face of the Earth would have the manpower or firepower to subdue a measurable fraction of them. Additionally, any business thusly assaulted would have the option of going to the police, since they would be engaging in legal activities. Furthermore, think of how much money the government would make by taxing the currently untaxed recreational drug trade, and how many more cops would be on the street.

This would not have an immediate, direct impact on criminal activities in Mexico, but it would definitely have a huge impact over time. Once drugs are legal in the US, Mexican cartels lose their most profitable customer -- both in terms of consumption and easy of supply. If they don't find a way to make up that income, which they likely would not, they will not have the money to continue their private wars at the level they're conducting them now, nor to rent entire towns to act as their private bases of operations.
 
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TacticalEvilDan said:
Our military is not authorized to participate in or conduct law enforcement activities, and has not been for some time.

As for government corruption, we had plenty of that going around. The difference between Mexico and America is the magnitude of the corruption, not the nature of it. The magnitude of it is because of economics.



There wouldn't be any percentage whatsoever in drug-related violence in the United States. Once legalized drugs would be sold by a wide variety of enterprising businesspeople. Even if we were smart and either restricted the sale to pharmacies or heavily regulated whoever decided to try that hand at selling recreational drugs, there would be so many different sources to buy from that no criminal organization on the face of the Earth would have the manpower or firepower to subdue a measurable fraction of them. Additionally, any business thusly assaulted would have the option of going to the police, since they would be engaging in legal activities. Furthermore, think of how much money the government would make by taxing the currently untaxed recreational drug trade, and how many more cops would be on the street.

This would not have an immediate, direct impact on criminal activities in Mexico, but it would definitely have a huge impact over time. Once drugs are legal in the US, Mexican cartels lose their most profitable customer -- both in terms of consumption and easy of supply. If they don't find a way to make up that income, which they likely would not, they will not have the money to continue their private wars at the level they're conducting them now, nor to rent entire towns to act as their private bases of operations.
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I don't think legalizing pot will do anything for the violence in Mexico.

The cartels are fighting for control to supply.

Legalizing pot in the US or in California won't do anything for that.

OK, let's say pot was legalized in the whole country tomorrow.

There is not enough of a stash to suply all the people that would want to buy it.

The cartels would still be part of the equation, and yes the violence would still be there.

If you think the violence will ever go away, you don't understand who the cartels are or why they are doing what they are doing.
 
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If we legalize and regulate recreational drugs at the national level, they will be produced in the United States.

If they are produced in the United States, the Mexican cartels lose their chief client.

Dot.

ETA: I also recall making it clear that the change would not be instantaneous or direct at the moment of legalization, but would be one that became more pronounced over time -- as in, while domestic producers get their ducks in a row and meet the local demand.
 
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TacticalEvilDan said:
If we legalize and regulate recreational drugs at the national level, they will be produced in the United States.

If they are produced in the United States, the Mexican cartels lose their chief client.

Dot.

ETA: I also recall making it clear that the change would not be instantaneous or direct at the moment of legalization, but would be one that became more pronounced over time -- as in, while domestic producers get their ducks in a row and meet the local demand.
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Where do you think the pot will be grown? It needs specific conditions to grow. Will corn fields be replaced by pot? How will the US produce enough for the demand?

Pot is grown in the Sierra mountains in Chihuahua in Mexico and the conditions are perfect for the crop.

Where will it grow in the US in enough quantity?

By the way in case you don't know, the growers in Mexico are not the cartel and the cartel is not the grower.
 
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I would like to introduce you to this fascinating invention that permits finite climate control, encouraging the growth of finicky plants in what would otherwise be hostile conditions.

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People can be amazingly creative and studious where profit is involved. Observe!

How to Grow Marijuana Indoor and Outdoor
 
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Mason66 said:
Where do you think the pot will be grown? It needs specific conditions to grow. Will corn fields be replaced by pot? How will the US produce enough for the demand?

Pot is grown in the Sierra mountains in Chihuahua in Mexico and the conditions are perfect for the crop.

Where will it grow in the US in enough quantity?

By the way in case you don't know, the growers in Mexico are not the cartel and the cartel is not the grower.
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marijuana is a weed it grows anywhere, any closet, flower pot, greenhouse, and about 3 months will do.. in fact it is preferable to grow it indoors to avoid pollination and seeds.

You really think we need acreage on the scale of even one county in nebraska to supply it? what about all that acreage we waste on corn and wheat for alcohol -- ohh yeah that is negligible too despite an order of magnitude more demand for that.
 
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Mason66 said:
By the way in case you don't know, the growers in Mexico are not the cartel and the cartel is not the grower.
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By the way in case you didn't notice, I don't think I ever said they were. I don't know if they are and I don't care if they are. If drugs become legal in the US, they will be produced domestically, thus depriving the cartels of a significant portion of their income (whether that income is related to production, transportation or sale), thus reducing their ability to wage war on their neighbors.
 
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