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Is it a criminal or civil fine?it can't be both, you're right. that's why i put "tax" in quotes.......it's not a tax. it's a fine.
Is it a criminal or civil fine?it can't be both, you're right. that's why i put "tax" in quotes.......it's not a tax. it's a fine.
Is it a criminal or civil fine?
Unquestionably.If it's assessed on your taxes, it's a tax.
Just asnwer the question.why? that matters why?
Unquestionably.
Just asnwer the question.
Criminal or civil?
I have -no doubt- that you have -no- idea ...i have no idea, nor is it relevant.
I have -no doubt- that you have -no- idea ...
The relevance here is obvious.
If it is a criminal fine, it can only be assessed pursuant to a guilty conviction, after a trial.
If it is a civil fine, it can only be assessed for monetary damages caused to the state in an effort to recoup the costs of those damages.
....that caiuses damages to the state, in an effort to recoup the costs of those damages.or wrongdoing...
Well...Again, what is your point?
When I say 'the state', I'm not referring to OH, et al.and the fine can also be assessed by the federal government.
If it's assessed on your taxes, it's a tax.
I notice you ignored the vast majority of the new taxes listed. I anxiously await your continued attempts to spin those as "not 'really' taxes'.
....that caiuses damages to the state, in an effort to recoup the costs of those damages.
Well...
As you can only assess civil penalties pursuant to costs borne by the state in an effort to recoup those costs, you cannot assess a civil penalty upon someone who has not caused the state to incur any cost.
When I say 'the state', I'm not referring to OH, et al.
cricket... cricket... cricket...
Is it?well, it's exactly what they are doing.
Traffic violations are criminal, not civil fines - that why you have to go co court for them and where guilt/innocence is determined, after which a fine may be levied.If you run a red light, you are assessed a fine. A civil fine
Is it?
What about the people that have cost the state nothing? On what basis can you fine them?
Traffic violations are criminal, not civil fines - that why you have to go co court for them and where guilt/innocence is determined, after which a fine may be levied.
no, just not interested in going point by point. he's not raising taxes, and you guys can't stand that fact, so you nitpick about a tanning bed tax. i don't really see anything in there that actually raises taxes on those who make less than 250k.....which ones does, btw? other than a tax which is completely OPTIONAL?
Translation: I reject your reality, and substitute my own.
If you are on trial and have to plead guilt/innocence, then it is a criminal event.no, it is civil. look it up.
Aint THAT the truth...You are incapable of lookign at a list of new taxes and calling them what they are, because you are simply too partisan to admit when you are wrong and your Obamessiah lied.
Every item on that list with an asterisk affects people who make less than $250K. The tanning bed tax is just one item on the list. You don't want to go point by point, because you CAN'T go point by point. You are incapable of lookign at a list of new taxes and calling them what they are, because you are simply too partisan to admit when you are wrong and your Obamessiah lied.
Your spin is slowing... you must be getting tired.
Does Not Affect Most People and Plans. The large majority of health insurance plans would be unaffected by the excise tax, since the dollar thresholds far exceed the value of the typical plan. In 2013, more than 91 percent of family plans will have premiums below $24,000, the threshold for the excise tax.[4] A plan costing $24,000 in 2013 (the equivalent of about $20,800 in 2010) would be about 40 percent more generous than the plan that most Members of Congress have.[5] In later years, as health insurance costs rise, more plans would be faced with exceeding the tax thresholds, but only to a small degree. Since the tax would apply only to costs above the thresholds, its effect on people with plans just over the thresholds would be minimal.Even by 2019, well below 8 percent of total premiums for employer-sponsored insurance would be affected by the excise tax. [6]
some are fines, others are not taxes at all...
the excise tax on very generous insurance plans is only on that part of the plan which exceeds 24k for families and 8900 for individuals, and is phased in over a great period of time. i will also argue that this probably won't affect people with incomes lower than 250k.
If you are on trial and have to plead guilt/innocence, then it is a criminal event.
I ask again:
What about the people that have cost the state nothing?
On what basis can you fine them?
17th Judicial Circuit Uniform Civil Traffic Court Procedures
TO: All County Court Judges, Traffic Hearing Officers, Supervisors of the
Clerk of the Court Traffic Division all locations
FROM: Chief Judge Dale Ross, Honorable Jay Spechler, Honorable Peter B.
Skolnik and Brenda Di Ioia, Chief Administrative Traffic Hearing Officer,
Carol Lee Ortman, Court AdministratorDATE: November 1, 2005
(Revised/Amended April 2004, July 2001, February 1999,
Initiated April 27, 1998)
RE: Civil Traffic Infraction & Municipal Parking Proceedings
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I see that your denial of reality runs deep.and i'm telling you...traffic fines are CIVIL.
So, 'some' are fines 'others' are not taxes, and the rest are what, exactly then???
You'd argue poorly then.
I see that your denial of reality runs deep.
But then, I knew that.
The Gilbert Municipal Court has jurisdiction over civil traffic violations committed within the Town of Gilbert. Most civil violations carry a possible maximum fine of $250.00. No jail time or probation can be imposed for a civil traffic violation.
I see that your denial of reality runs deep.
But then, I knew that.
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You were finished before you started... and failed half way through.i'm finished here......you clearly don't know how the healthcare law will work. i'm not giving any more examples.
btw...how many families do you know who have insurance plans, paid by their company in their entirety, that cost 24K? hmm......?