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NAACP backs report that ties racist groups to tea party

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Its very hard to explain what he is saying, but here goes my attempt. There is generations of blacks on welfare, food stamps, and are generally decided on the idea that the government is what they need to equalize the world. This is however part of the virus that is caught by the progressives in the country. They all believe that the government is the great equalizer and what is needed to eliminate the world of all great evils, but no group is effected so fully as minorities that are already down and easily leaded if you can provide them a easy way out. As a result the community as whole is almost completely decided that they have no way out. This is only compounded with the fundings of schools and the school problems in general in the country. All you need to control a people is not a chain, but a dependence and the lack of information on what their real chances are.

Oh and yes, my second post will be in the hello forum. This I wanted to respond to first.
 
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Henrin said:
Its very hard to explain what he is saying, but here goes my attempt. There is generations of blacks on welfare, food stamps, and are generally decided on the idea that the government is what they need to equalize the world. This is however part of the virus that is caught by the progressives in the country. They all believe that the government is the great equalizer and what is needed to eliminate the world of all great evils, but no group is effected so fully as minorities that are already down and easily leaded if you can provide them a easy way out. As a result the community as whole is almost completely decided that they have no way out. This is only compounded with the fundings of schools and the school problems in general in the country. All you need to control a people is not a chain, but a dependence and the lack of information on what their real chances are.

Oh and yes, my second post will be in the hello forum. This I wanted to respond to first.
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Sorry, still not buying it and your argument is not a refutation of anything that I'm saying. He precisely went after 'liberalism'. That by default makes his attack a generalisation. The fact that more blacks, and people in general, today have access to education simply disproves all of that. What about preventable deceases? Are more blacks dying today from illnessess than 200 years ago? Sorry, the reality is that liberalism and liberal social movements have actually improved the living standards of most people around the world. More women today have the right to vote than ever in the history of humanity. This is because of a liberal movement. More women today are allowed to walk down the street and wear what they please without religious persecution than ever in the history of man kind. Once again, the fault of a liberal movement. Millions of people who you claim are 'dependent' on liberal programs have actually moved on to be tax payers like everyone else. Just look at all those conservative commentators who went to federally funded universities. Are they slaves too? You can argue all day that some social programs have led to dependency. Yes and so does pork barrel spending funding for agricultural programs which are highly sought after by the conservative percentage of our society which is not urban. Conservative farmers dependent on subsidies elect conservative politicians hoping they'll bring some of that money home. Is that not a form of dependency and by your definition 'slavery'? Of course it's not but to be consistent you'd have to argue that it is and thus prove that you're simply being facetious to get sympathy points from other radicals. Look, don't attempt to validate a stupid comment and just move on.

By the way, welcome to the forum.
 
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Crosscheck said:
If you are black and liberal the Republicans WILL call you dumb.
Take your pick.
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No, if you are liberal... black, white or otherwise, some republicans might call you dumb... but race has nothing to do with it. It's purely an ideological judgment and no distinction is made based on race.

On the other hand, if you are black and conservative, you will be called an "uncle Tom", a "sell out", an "Oreo" and even a "traitor"... all of which are racially based judgments, not ideologically driven ones.

Like it or not, that's the truth pal... even if you're not honest enough to admit it.
 
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He precisely went after 'liberalism'. That by default makes his attack a generalisation.
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Liberalism doesn't really exist and the classic definition which you are using so freely does not have anything do with liberals of today, so its very easy to understand what he was saying.

The fact that more blacks, and people in general, today have access to education simply disproves all of that. What about preventable deceases? Are more blacks dying today from illnessess than 200 years ago?
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This is an interesting point, but still it depends on the goals of the enslavement. Neither one of these things disqualify the accusation of enslavement. Education is taught through generations, in schools, in public, etc. If the education at the schools is working with or not disarming the mindset of the public or what is thought by generations its really not helping on ending the enslavement, but instead handing it weapons to enslave.

I also don't think you can use the treatment of diseases to decide enslavement.

Sorry, the reality is that liberalism and liberal social movements have actually improved the living standards of most people around the world.
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The improvement in living standards is no measure if people are enslaved or not.

More women today have the right to vote than ever in the history of humanity.
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A right to vote does not really exist, however, the privilege does not end enslavement by its very existence. It might very well if done by the enslaved of the mind might play into the enslavement. Only if they know what is truly freedom can they really be free and that voting could work to end enslavement.

Yes and so does pork barrel spending funding agricultural programs which are highly south after by the conservative percentage of our society which is not urban. Farmers dependent on subsidies elect conservative politicians hoping they'll bring some of that money home. Is that not a form of dependency and by your definition 'slavery?
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Indeed. Let me just say this, to say that subsidies would be supported by any conservative is false or at least any conservative that know personality. I want to say that is a minor point to make, but I feel perhaps that is a major part of your argument here.

Regardless, thanks for the welcome.
 
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No, if you are liberal... black, white or otherwise, some republicans might call you dumb... but race has nothing to do with it. It's purely an ideological judgment and no distinction is made based on race.

On the other hand, if you are black and conservative, you will be called an "uncle Tom", a "sell out", an "Oreo" and even a "traitor"... all of which are racially based judgments, not ideologically driven ones.

Like it or not, that's the truth pal... even if you're not honest enough to admit it.
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Henrin said:
Liberalism doesn't really exist and the classic definition which you are using so freely does not have anything do with liberals of today, so its very easy to understand what he was saying.
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Ah so liberalism doesn't really exist now. I thought it did. If it doesn't exist then how can it possibly be worse than something which does exist like slavery? Or are saying liberalism only exists if we can compare it to slavery?

This is an interesting point, but still it depends on the goals of the enslavement. Neither one of these things disqualify the accusation of enslavement. Education is taught through generations, in schools, in public, etc. If the education at the schools is working with or not disarming the mindset of the public or what is thought by generations its really not helping on ending the enslavement, but instead handing it weapons to enslave.
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Of course it does. Your accusation of what enslavement is is probably the most liberal thing about this entire conversation. Education is enslavement. The mysticisms of the past are freedom. Religious councils aren't religious endoctrination establishments. Schools however are. See how wide your argument is? It can basically be assumed that anything you consider to be enslavement is enslavement.

I also don't think you use the treatment of diseases to decide enslavement. The improvement in living standards is no measure if people are enslaved or not.
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Of course they are. In the real world, not the philosophical one you seem to inhabit freedom is measured by your ability to do certain things.

A right to vote does not really exist, however, the privilege does not end enslavement by its very existence. It might very well if done by the enslaved of the mind might play into the enslavement. Only if they know what is truly freedom can they really be free and that voting could work to end enslavement.
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Ah that makes absolutely sense. Being able to voice your concerns within a society do not correlate to freedoms. No offense but you're essentially making the argument that democracies, by extention the right to vote and the freedom to voice your social opinions are enslavement because governments have been so good at potraying them as something else. Well I guess that makes sense. If you were in the Matrix.

Indeed. Let me just say this, to say that subsidies would be supported by any conservative is false or at least any conservative that know personality. I want to say that is a minor point to make, but I feel perhaps that is a major part of your argument here.

Regardless, thanks for the welcome.
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Ah so then supporters of the free market can be enablers of enslavement too you're saying? Please define 'freedom' and 'enslavement' because you seem to be going by a definition I'm not aware of. This would clarify all your other arguments.
 
apdst said:
All Leftists are racist. They all believe that the only way they can secure the black vote, is to scare the **** out of all the black folks, in the hope that blacks are dumb enough to buy into it.
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It seems to me, you're saying they are dumb. So who are the racists? :roll:
 
pbrauer said:
It seems to me, you're saying they are dumb. So who are the racists? :roll:
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He was stating what liberals do, and what he perceives is their beliefs, reasons, motives behind those actions...

But you already knew this, but chose to launch a false attack anyway.... How telling.
 
Hatuey,

Allow me to clarify...

How would one go about declaring that the systematic use of A) capitalism and B) democracy to enslave millions of humans is worse than a political ideology with dozens of variations? You couldn't.
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I am referring to American Liberalism more specifically the Welfare State. In its most extreme form, communism, it is capable of producing the worst atrocities mankind has ever seen. However, the American Welfare State in its current form is not worse than slavery. However, I still agree with this statement to make a point. Blacks, other minorities, and even whites are "enslaved" by the Welfare State. It robs them of their dignity forces them into a pattern of thinking that this is the way "we" should live.

Would you rather be a slave or a liberal?
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The liberal ideology creates the “slavery” I am referring to. Therefore, this question is akin to asking, “Would you be a slave or one who supports the enslavement of others?”

Or will you argue that all liberals are slaves?
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No, they support the “enslavement” of others.

I don’t even know who you are and I'm starting to dislike you because of the kind of stupidity you support.
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Please do not take this personal. I would like to discuss this further. We cannot if your need to have us all agree with you cases such anger. Temper tantrums do not convince me. Sound arguments do.
 
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Grim17 said:
He was stating what liberals do, and what he perceives is their beliefs, reasons, motives behind those actions...

But you already knew this, but chose to launch a false attack anyway.... How telling.
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So full of baloney. It is okay for him to perceive everyones motive but no one can perceive his............and you buy that.....lol
 
Crosscheck said:
Yes, isn't it shocking the "black folks" don't join you.. What is with that.....You think maybe they are just too dumb?
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No, it's because they've been propagandized into becoming slaves to the welfare system. The Leftists keep them in line with scare tactic rheotric such as making the claim that all Tea Partiers are racists.
 
pbrauer said:
It seems to me, you're saying they are dumb. So who are the racists? :roll:
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Well, I get called dumb all the time on this forum, by Liberals. It's assumed, regularly, that I'm white, since I'm a Conservative and won't get in line with the Left wing agenda and I'm "uppity". Yes, I do ask, all the time, who the real racists are.

Here's a prime example of what I'm talking about:

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Liberalism is worse than slavery. Haha, you can always count on apdst to serve his white masters. See? Hyperbole for the whole family. It kind of showcases the level of stupidity supported by the weakest debaters in the forum.
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EnigmaO01 said:
Example please? I won't be holding my breath though.
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You can breath now.

Hatuey said:
Liberalism is worse than slavery. Haha, you can always count on apdst to serve his white masters. See? Hyperbole for the whole family. It kind of showcases the level of stupidity supported by the weakest debaters in the forum.
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hazlnut said:
You've made some idiotic statements, especially about economics and taxes, but this one goes right off the deep end...
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No, there have been lots of other duesies that are comparable. I'm not sure of his chronological age but I can sure tell his mental age and education level. :roll: It's also obvious he's a racist even if he calls everyone else one.
 
apdst said:
No, it's because they've been propagandized into becoming slaves to the welfare system. The Leftists keep them in line with scare tactic rheotric such as making the claim that all Tea Partiers are racists.
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Once again you are demostrating racist views that the blacks can't think for themselves and are so easily persuaded by the leftists.

There is a reason why you don't see throngs of blacks in the Republican party the same way you don't see throngs of blacks in the Mormon Church.
 
Crosscheck said:
Once again you are demostrating racist views that the blacks can't think for themselves and are so easily persuaded by the leftists.

There is a reason why you don't see throngs of blacks in the Republican party the same way you don't see throngs of blacks in the Mormon Church.
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The real racism lies within the ranks of the Left Wing, because they can't imagine a black person being a Conservative.

The reason you don't see many black Conservatives, is because of the fear mongering coming from the Left. You say it enough and people will start to believe it. There's not a day that goes by, that Liberals are screaming racism.

IMO, that strategy is going to do more harm than good, to the Left, but carry on.
 
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Once again you are demostrating racist views that the blacks can't think for themselves and are so easily persuaded by the leftists.

There is a reason why you don't see throngs of blacks in the Republican party the same way you don't see throngs of blacks in the Mormon Church.
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And don't forget he thinks they are all on welfare. I can show you a lot more white trash on welfare in my area than blacks.

"A black person voting for a republican is like a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders." :mrgreen:
 
apdst said:
You call that nothing? :rofl

Obviously, no matter how much evidence you're presented with, you're going to remain in denial.
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I was referring to this genius, which was posted by Ivan The Terrible:

If you are black and conservative the NAACP and the Democrats WILL condemn you.
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TurtleDude said:
NAACP-a main organ of the Dem party

The NAACP has far more racists than the tea party

Yawn
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I think calling them Colored People is pretty racist.
 
So the racially homogenized right are the real champions of freedom, so...
when is the left, as in, every other culture in the US, gonna see your light?

Get on a soap box in a major city and spout this rhetoric you are. You'll learn something youll never forget about planet earth, I guarantee you.
 
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