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Rove, Gillespie Slam Obama for Spreading 'Baseless Lie' Over Foreign Contributions

Re: Guilty until proven innocent... according to the White House

Various pieces of the list have been released, or discovered...

LINK

Oh, I know, and thanks for the link. However, don't libs in here find it rather strange that a President that most likely received political contributions from not only this nations enemies, but from foreign entities in the '08 campaign, are now screaming to see a list of donors from the Chamber of Commerce that they do NOT have to provide, then using a communist tactic of demonizing them when they don't? Meanwhile we aren't supposed to look at them.


j-mac
 
Re: Guilty until proven innocent... according to the White House

Oh, I know, and thanks for the link. However, don't libs in here find it rather strange that a President that most likely received political contributions from not only this nations enemies, but from foreign entities in the '08 campaign, are now screaming to see a list of donors from the Chamber of Commerce that they do NOT have to provide, then using a communist tactic of demonizing them when they don't? Meanwhile we aren't supposed to look at them.


j-mac

Careful, they'll start whining you listen to Rush too much :ssst:
 
Re: Guilty until proven innocent... according to the White House

Oh, I know, and thanks for the link. However, don't libs in here find it rather strange that a President that most likely received political contributions from not only this nations enemies, but from foreign entities in the '08 campaign, are now screaming to see a list of donors from the Chamber of Commerce that they do NOT have to provide, then using a communist tactic of demonizing them when they don't? Meanwhile we aren't supposed to look at them.

j-mac

Most likely? You have a list, which is much more than Rove or Gillespie are providing and yet you moan, groan and complain. Quite the hypocrite, eh?

You have never heard of nonsensical user names on the computer used for donations? The name doesn't tell the location, the IP addy does. Duh. Via computer is the only way I donated in 2008 and it wasn't under the name RosieS. The IP addy would clearly show I was never out of FL much less the US. Obama's donations were so large due to grassroot American, rather than astroturf, donations from those who had never donated before. Such small, meager $5 donations even overwhelmed all the Friends of Bill who donated to Hillary, much to her surprise.

Such a non-conspiracy and you moan, groan and complain. Geez.

Regards from Rosie
 
Schieffer mocks Axelrod

“This part about foreign money, that appears to be peanuts,” chided Schieffer.

When Axelrod continued to press the issue, Schieffer said almost laughing, “If the only charge, three weeks into the election that the Democrats can make is that there’s somehow this may or may not be foreign money coming into the campaign, is that the best you can do?” (video follows with transcript and commentary):

[video]http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/checker.aspx?v=hdSUVr8z2G[/video]

Schieffer Mocks Axelrod: Is Complaining About GOP Ad Dollars

LOL
 
Re: Guilty until proven innocent... according to the White House

Most likely? You have a list, which is much more than Rove or Gillespie are providing and yet you moan, groan and complain. Quite the hypocrite, eh?

You have never heard of nonsensical user names on the computer used for donations? The name doesn't tell the location, the IP addy does. Duh. Via computer is the only way I donated in 2008 and it wasn't under the name RosieS. The IP addy would clearly show I was never out of FL much less the US. Obama's donations were so large due to grassroot American, rather than astroturf, donations from those who had never donated before. Such small, meager $5 donations even overwhelmed all the Friends of Bill who donated to Hillary, much to her surprise.

Such a non-conspiracy and you moan, groan and complain. Geez.

Regards from Rosie


Yeah, yeah Rosie....(talk to the hand) I know, don't look at liberals like Obama, only those evil repubs, and businesses that the libs love to demonize right?

The Obama campaign committed the most egregious violations of election contribution laws, and they were dismissed with a wave of the hand. Millions came in from foreign countries — which is illegal: the Federal Election Campaign Act (FECA) “prohibits any foreign national from contributing, donating or spending funds in connection with any federal, state, or local election in the United States, either directly or indirectly.”

I broke the jaw-dropping story about how tens of thousands of dollars came in to the Obama campaign from a Hamas-controlled camp in Gaza. Al-Jazeera actually ran video of Obama phone banks in Gaza. One large contributor to the Obama campaign was Monir Edwan, who was listed on FEC documents as contributing to Obama from the city of Rafah in the state “GA.” If you were reading quickly, you might have thought it was just a contribution from Georgia. But there is no city of Rafah in the Peach State. Monir Edwan sent money to Obama from Rafah, Gaza.

» Call For An Audit of Obama’s Campaign Finances - Big Government


I say, sure the Chamber of Commerce can voluntarily commit to showing how they separate the dues from foreign entities from their general fund, just as soon as Obama grants complete, and unfettered access to his own campaign funds.


j-mac
 
Re: Rove, Gillespie Slam Obama for Spreading 'Baseless Lie' Over Foreign Contribution

DEM: do as I say, not as I do.
 
Re: Rove, Gillespie Slam Obama for Spreading 'Baseless Lie' Over Foreign Contribution

the ny times already kicked this can last friday

it's laughable

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/09/us/politics/09donate.html

A closer examination shows that there is little evidence that what the chamber does in collecting overseas dues is improper or even unusual, according to both liberal and conservative election-law lawyers and campaign finance documents.

In fact, the controversy over the Chamber of Commerce financing may say more about the Washington spin cycle — where an Internet blog posting can be quickly picked up by like-minded groups and become political fodder for the president himself — than it does about the vagaries of campaign finance.

Organizations from both ends of the political spectrum, from liberal ones like the A.F.L.-C.I.O. and the Sierra Club to conservative groups like the National Rifle Association, have international affiliations and get money from foreign entities while at the same time pushing political causes in the United States.

In addition, more than 160 political action committees active in campaigning have been set up by corporations that are based overseas, including military contractors like B.A.E. Systems and pharmaceutical giants like GlaxoSmithKline, according to data from the Center for Responsive Politics, a nonpartisan research service.

Such groups, which collectively have spent hundreds of millions dollars on political causes to advance their agenda, are required by law to ensure that any foreign money they receive is isolated and not used to finance political activities, which would violate a longstanding federal ban. The Chamber of Commerce says it has a vigorous process for ensuring that does not happen, and no evidence has emerged to suggest that is untrue.

ah, but evidence is not required, explains axelrod on cbs sunday:

asked by bob schieffer how he justifies his ACCUSATION that the coc is using foreign money to "steal our democracy," as the glitzy DNC ad states explicitly, the axed adviser came back: "no one can, bob, i can assert anything i want"

Chamber financing attacks continue - Washington Times

stuff of star chambers and show trials

baucus (who will be irrelevant after nov 2) suggests sicing the irs on em

senator stuart smalley, who won rather funkily himself in MN, threatens action on the floor

the tv critic for the baltimore sun found such cavalier accusations of criminality, with no compulsion on the part of the accusation tossing CHIEF EXEC to offer anything more than a mere supposition of evidence, the equivalence of mccarthyism

Z on TV: Democrats' attack ad sets new low for midterm mud - TV show critic David Zurawik on the show business, culture and craziness of television - baltimoresun.com

no wonder bob schieffer came back with the LOL-able retort: "is that all you got?"

which---all you got?---is becoming, by the way, the entire campaign for CA governor---one side says jobs, the economy, housing, borders, energy taxes (ab32), central valley water...

the other demands w4's

this party in power simply has NOTHING it can campaign on, 3 weeks and a day before the plebiscite

it can't talk bush cuts, tax the rich

it certainly doesn't want to discuss afghanistan

it can't pronounce stimulus, it's desperate to redirect attention from last friday's jobs report

middle east peace talks, global warming, comprehensive immigration reform, dadt---all non starters

it can't blame bush anymore

well, it can, but it just doesn't work, so unleaderly-like, at this point

obamacare is an albatross

this shamelessly baseless attack on gop money, which is outpulling its opposition SEVEN TO ONE, reveals two things:

1. the party is desperate for something to campaign on

2. and, even at that, THIS ONE's a LOSER

it's pathetic

all that remains is---quit whining, buck up, stop sulking, get over it, you're the dullest audience i ever talked to

this quickness to accuse DOMESTIC opposition, completely devoid of cause, reminds us of the FOX NEWS WAR, waged for a weekend by white house press liason anita dunn, whose favorite philosopher is mao

equally baseless, equally harmful---to the accuser

it's like the time autin goolsbee, brought in to replace the outta-here peter orszag, ACCUSED the kochs of not paying corporate taxes, when the white house chair of economic advisers should not have access to citizens' private records

oblivious obama simply does not understand american politics, how it's played and won, he ACTS like an alien

instead, the DNC runs an ad stating explicity that IT APPEARS the united states CHAMBER OF COMMERCE is using foreign money to steal our democracy

what president so openly and emptily assaults the COC?

based on IT APPEARS?

unbelievable

you guys are gonna get your clocks cleaned in 3 weeks and one day

you dearly deserve it
 
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Re: Rove, Gillespie Slam Obama for Spreading 'Baseless Lie' Over Foreign Contribution

from october, 2008:

washingtonpost.com

Sen. Barack Obama's presidential campaign is allowing donors to use largely untraceable prepaid credit cards that could potentially be used to evade limits on how much an individual is legally allowed to give or to mask a contributor's identity, campaign officials confirmed.

Faced with a huge influx of donations over the Internet, the campaign has also chosen not to use basic security measures to prevent potentially illegal or anonymous contributions from flowing into its accounts, aides acknowledged.

In recent weeks, questionable contributions have created headaches for Obama's accounting team as it has tried to explain why campaign finance filings have included itemized donations from individuals using fake names, such as Es Esh or Doodad Pro. Those revelations prompted conservative bloggers to further test Obama's finance vetting by giving money using the kind of prepaid cards that can be bought at a drugstore and cannot be traced to a donor.

The problem with such cards, campaign finance lawyers said, is that they make it impossible to tell whether foreign nationals, donors who have exceeded the limits, government contractors or others who are barred from giving to a federal campaign are making contributions.

The Obama campaign has shattered presidential fundraising records, in part by capitalizing on the ease of online giving. Of the $150 million the senator from Illinois raised in September, nearly $100 million came in over the Internet.

The Obama team's disclosures came in response to questions from The Washington Post about the case of Mary T. Biskup, a retired insurance manager from Manchester, Mo., who turned up on Obama's FEC reports as having donated $174,800 to the campaign. Contributors are limited to giving $2,300 for the general election.
 
Re: Rove, Gillespie Slam Obama for Spreading 'Baseless Lie' Over Foreign Contribution

the ny times already kicked this can last friday

it's laughable

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/09/us/politics/09donate.html
A closer examination shows that there is little evidence that what the chamber does in collecting overseas dues is improper or even unusual, according to both liberal and conservative election-law lawyers and campaign finance documents.

In fact, the controversy over the Chamber of Commerce financing may say more about the Washington spin cycle — where an Internet blog posting can be quickly picked up by like-minded groups and become political fodder for the president himself — than it does about the vagaries of campaign finance.

Organizations from both ends of the political spectrum, from liberal ones like the A.F.L.-C.I.O. and the Sierra Club to conservative groups like the National Rifle Association, have international affiliations and get money from foreign entities while at the same time pushing political causes in the United States.

In addition, more than 160 political action committees active in campaigning have been set up by corporations that are based overseas, including military contractors like B.A.E. Systems and pharmaceutical giants like GlaxoSmithKline, according to data from the Center for Responsive Politics, a nonpartisan research service.

Such groups, which collectively have spent hundreds of millions dollars on political causes to advance their agenda, are required by law to ensure that any foreign money they receive is isolated and not used to finance political activities, which would violate a longstanding federal ban. The Chamber of Commerce says it has a vigorous process for ensuring that does not happen, and no evidence has emerged to suggest that is untrue.


ah, but evidence is not required, explains axelrod on cbs sunday:

asked by bob schieffer how he justifies his ACCUSATION that the coc is using foreign money to "steal our democracy," as the glitzy DNC ad states explicitly, the axed adviser came back: "no one can, bob, i can assert anything i want"

Chamber financing attacks continue - Washington Times

Shouldn't this be enough to show that the claims are bogus? Both conservative and liberal election law lawyers think so.

As for Mr. Axlerod...
"No one knows, Bob. The point is ... I can assert anything I want, but you have, as a good journalist, you would ask me, 'Well, how do we know that's true? Do you have documentation to prove that?' " Mr. Axelrod said.

Mr. Schieffer noted that accepting dues money from foreign affiliates does not distinguish the chamber from any number of conservative and liberal-leaning groups and that the dues amount to $100,000 toward the general fund of a group with a $200 million budget.

"But this part about foreign money, that appears to be peanuts, Mr. Axelrod. I mean, do you have any evidence that it's anything other than peanuts?" the host asked.

Mr. Axelrod replied, "Well, do you have any evidence that it's not, Bob?"
So, Axlerod says when someone makes an assertion, a good journalist should ask for proof of the assertion...

...but when the journalist DOES ask for proof, Axlerod quickly spins 180 degrees and says the journalist should be proving the accusation false, not asking him to prove the assertion.

Any liberal who thinks this is logical, or appropriate, should have his head examined.
 
Re: Rove, Gillespie Slam Obama for Spreading 'Baseless Lie' Over Foreign Contribution

they're so dizzy these days they're starting to think like mccarthy

this is what 2 years of apologizing for obama will do to you, it appears

i'm exhausted from defending you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5GqYtrSzAo
 
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Re: Rove, Gillespie Slam Obama for Spreading 'Baseless Lie' Over Foreign Contribution

Think Progress » GRAPHIC: How The Chamber Gets Its Foreign Money

1) How many foreign sources of funding does the Chamber have? The Washington Post’s Greg Sargent received this statement from a Chamber spokeswoman: “[Of] the Chamber’s 300,000 members, a relative handful are non-U.S. based companies.” How many is a “relatively handful,” and how much do they contribute?

2) Are the foreign funds being directed into the same general account that is used to pay for partisan attack ads? Again, the Post’s Greg Sargent pressed on this point. The Chamber, which is running more than $10 million in political advertising just this week (the largest expenditure in one week by an outside group), said, “We are not obligated to discuss our internal accounting procedures.”

As David Donnelly, national campaigns director for Public Campaign Action Fund, told Politico: “They basically say, ‘trust us’ when there’s mounting evidence they’re outsourcing the funding of their political attacks ads? Yeah, right.” Apparently, the New York Times and the Washington Post were just fine with trusting the Chamber.

First it's outrageous to allege that foreign funds are collected and used. Then it's not so much money is collected and used. Then it's the Dems do it too.

Dunno how you can actually run around as much as you do with the goalposts protruding from your back.

Regards from Rosie
 
Re: Guilty until proven innocent... according to the White House

Karl Rove could be heard saying: No... no... no! YOU WILL DIE!

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Seriously, does that fat dough-boy have any credibility? He helped his boy W. run the country into the ground and now he wants us to give a **** that some mud is being slung in his direction.

Go to hell, fat man.
 
Re: Rove, Gillespie Slam Obama for Spreading 'Baseless Lie' Over Foreign Contribution

Apparently, the New York Times and the Washington Post were just fine with trusting the Chamber.

no different from the lady's treatment of moveon, the afl-cio, sierra club, nra...

read, think

time mag's mark halperin's take today:

Throughout the year, we have been treated to Obama-led attacks on George W. Bush and Dick Cheney, Rush Limbaugh, Congressman Joe Barton (for his odd apology to BP), John Boehner (for seeking the speakership — or was it something about an ant?) and Fox News (for everything). Suitable Democratic targets in some cases, perhaps, but not worth the time of a busy Commander in Chief. In the past few days, we have witnessed the spectacle of the President himself and his top advisers wading into allegations that Republicans are attempting to buy the election using foreign money laundered through the Chamber of Commerce, combining with Karl Rove and his wealthy backers to fund a flood of negative television commercials. Not only is this issue convoluted and far-fetched, but it also distracts from the issues voters care about, frustrating political insiders and alienating struggling citizens (not that many are following such an offbeat story line). Feinting and gibing can't obscure those job numbers.

maybe that explains:

Barack Obama is being politically crushed in a vise. From above, by elite opinion about his competence. From below, by mass anger and anxiety over unemployment. And it is too late for him to do anything about this predicament until after November's elections.

With the exception of core Obama Administration loyalists, most politically engaged elites have reached the same conclusions: the White House is in over its head, isolated, insular, arrogant and clueless about how to get along with or persuade members of Congress, the media, the business community or working-class voters. This view is held by Fox News pundits, executives and anchors at the major old-media outlets, reporters who cover the White House, Democratic and Republican congressional leaders and governors, many Democratic business people and lawyers who raised big money for Obama in 2008, and even some members of the Administration just beyond the inner circle.

ouch

if only it all weren't so undeniably true

oh well, party on, tho it might be kinda lonely

Obama Is in the Jaws of Political Death: Can He Survive? - TIME
 
Re: Guilty until proven innocent... according to the White House

I don't get it. So what if the GOP is taking foreign donations? Didn't they argue that this was fine to do in 2000?

GOP quietly defended foreign donations

n a case that escaped much public attention, GOP lawyers submitted briefs to the Federal Election Commission last year claiming that the federal ban on foreign contributions applied solely to donations to candidates, not the unregulated sums known as soft money that are given to the political parties.

''Foreign national donations to party committee non-federal accounts are legally permissible ...,'' the Republican National Committee's lawyers wrote in a brief in a dispute over a loan from a foreign businessman. ''It could not be more apparent that ... Congress intended the proscriptions of the Federal Election Campaign Act to apply only to 'hard money' contributions.''
 
Re: Guilty until proven innocent... according to the White House

time mag today: over its head, isolated, insular, arrogant and clueless

ouch
 
Re: Rove, Gillespie Slam Obama for Spreading 'Baseless Lie' Over Foreign Contribution

Why is it that the White House can make apparently baseless accusations against political opponents, and those opponents have to prove the accusations are false? I'm was always taught 'innocent until proven guilty', not 'innocent unless you piss of Barack Obama'.

What is is about far-righties that they refuse to do a shred of fact-checking before opening their mouths?

The Chamber of Commerce does take foreign funds. They admit to doing that.

Do they follow election law and keep separate accounts and not use any of the foreign funds for ads? That's what the Dems suggested. And, if the foreign funds aren't being used to specifically purchase ad buys, then what's it being used for? To pay the phone bills to call in the ad buys?

It’s certainly true that millions are being spent without public disclosure, and that much of the money is coming from corporations taking advantage of a Supreme Court ruling easing restrictions on political spending. But using foreign funds to finance political ads is still a legal violation. Accusing anybody of violating the law is a serious matter requiring serious evidence to back it up. So far Democrats have produced none.

Here' why you GOP partisans all sound like total hypocrites. Fat boy, Karl Rove, has made a career out of raising doubt though suggestion and innuendo--everything he says about the opposition is meant to be suggestive... so, some mud gets throw his way, the Dems use one of his tricks on him, and he gets all pissy. STFU Rove, ya jackass!
 
Re: Rove, Gillespie Slam Obama for Spreading 'Baseless Lie' Over Foreign Contribution

the new york times, time mag, wapo, politico and cbs see this accusation as a TOTAL LOSER

throw a tantrum
 
Re: Guilty until proven innocent... according to the White House

Think we could have a look at the donors list for Obama's '08 campaign? So far he is keeping that a secret....Why?


j-mac

You can have a look at his donor list any time you want. There are no secrets there.
 
Re: Rove, Gillespie Slam Obama for Spreading 'Baseless Lie' Over Foreign Contribution

Irony:

The right says why does Obama not just show proof that he was born in Hawaii, then complain when asked to show proof of an accusation themselves.

Obama supporters complain about being expected to prove that Obama was not born in Kenya, but then ask others to show proof that they are not guilty of an accusation.
 
Re: Guilty until proven innocent... according to the White House

'Baseless lie' = blatant lie. Karl Rove one ups the DNC.

Funny, pudding boy wasn't upset went Newtie went off the deep end a few weeks back. But he did get honest about O'Donnell...then backpedaled a day later.
 
Re: Rove, Gillespie Slam Obama for Spreading 'Baseless Lie' Over Foreign Contribution

I think what the dems are simply saying is that it should be a law that forces disclosure, or even a ban. There is even a moral obligation toward not aiding foreigners in helping influence our elections. As I recall the first time I heard about outrage concerning foreign funds in our elections, it was the republican hit machine going on about Clinton accepting Chinese funds. It was for this reason that I brought up the fact that it would only be a matter of time before dems will be getting secret foreign funds, and that those on the right will be howling about it.

The comparison to Obama's citizenship is laughable.
 
Re: Guilty until proven innocent... according to the White House

It will only be a matter of time before entities are set up to channel foreign money into democratic coffers. You republicans are going to be ok with that, I guess. I know I'm not.

Already happened in 2008-

Obama Accepting Untraceable Donations
 
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