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Reid on the Ropes in Nevada

Moot said:
No, "hurry up and die" is the Republican health plan.
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Ah, a Grayson fan. You know he is getting his arse kicked in Orlando too. What a waste of human cells that guy is.


Republican plan, "pray you don't get sick."
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I doubt that you have even read any republican proposals with that misinformation you are putting out.

j-mac
 
why does rory say his dad's health care plan is bad for nevada?
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Sorry to temporarily derail the subject but Pakistan has played at being ally and enemy since day one. It's where the Taliban escaped to when in trouble and where new fighters come from every spring. It may have provided the closest area to create bases to send supplies from but it placing our bases there was still like putting down in an ants nest of hostile forces around NATO and ISAF.
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Obama has caused more hate there and our soldiers supplied are being destroyed.

Gunmen torch 29 more NATO oil tankers in Pakistan - Yahoo! News
 
Birther comments aside, Keyes has great points here:




j-mac
 
Barbbtx said:
Isn't there a thread here that puts Palins approval right up there with Obama now? :)

I know I'd take her over him any day of the week. I'd even take her over McCain.
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I'd take just about anyone over Obama... perhaps even Clinton. Now I guess i'm a racist or else I see a president in way over his head and not doing anything much to improve things... especially the economy.
 
Obamanator said:
It's beter than getting sick and praying/hoping you'll get a fair chance at adequate medical obamacare.
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If you know any thing about medicaid you know nothing will change the poor will still get substandard care and the rich will get the best. Look at the healthcare congress gets
 
while massively expanding the already overly strained, overly depended upon safety net, obamacare CUTS medicare funding by HALF A TRILLION dollars

McCain Loses Bid to Drop Health Bill's Medicare Cuts

is THAT spin?

are the 1099's, the individual mandate, the obligation bankrolled on already bankrupt states to absorb TWELVE MILLION more americans into medicaid (the ghetto of health care) with NO federal backing, the INCREASED traffic thru er's, the difficulties in finding a doctor?

the pre existers, the portability, the keeping kids til they're 26---these are good ideas, we oughta keep em

the rest has gotta go

1/4 of DEMOCRATS have come to see

POLL: Dislike of healthcare law crosses party lines, 1 in 4 Dems want repeal - TheHill.com

is that spin?
 
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Boo Radley said:
Did Obama fill out the forms and the checks personally? I'm sorry, but this type of silliness has happen as long as I've been alive, no matter who was preseident.
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And this makes it a good idea to expand every aspect of the federal government how?:confused:
 
FederalRepublic said:
And this makes it a good idea to expand every aspect of the federal government how?:confused:
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Not that much has expanded, but take something like the tainted peanut butter we saw awhile back. This shows that sometimes it's a good thing to have regulations and oversight. We are the government, and we can work together to solve larger problems, using government as a tool. This isn't always smooth, but frankly, neither is the private sector, which also has it's share of stupidity and mistakes.
 
Boo Radley said:
Not that much has expanded, but take something like the tainted peanut butter we saw awhile back. This shows that sometimes it's a good thing to have regulations and oversight. We are the government, and we can work together to solve larger problems, using government as a tool. This isn't always smooth, but frankly, neither is the private sector, which also has it's share of stupidity and mistakes.
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I don't think that anyone here argues such a simplistic point as the analogy you try here. Regulation in a complex society like our own is a necessity. However, if you look at what the regulators said at the time of the 'peanut scare' here:

“The piece that hasn’t come out yet is that peanut butter isn’t like spinach or ground beef because it has a really long shelf life,” said Caroline Smith DeWaal, food safety director for the Center for Science in the Public Interest.

Ms. DeWaal and other critics of the federal food safety system said that because peanut butter was considered a low risk for contamination, plants could sometimes go without inspection for a decade.

www.nytimes.com/2009/01/23/health/23scare.html
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So regulation has its problems as well. But the key difference here is that you seem to argue that increased regulation for things like safety, and health, are no different from regulations designed to control a business from government. That I think is not correct.

j-mac
 
j-mac said:
This is Alan Keyes opinion. Other than the birther stuff, where is he wrong?

j-mac
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Well, the birther stuff is a good start, but frankly all of it. America is going to cease to exist? That's incredible hyperbole. And Obama is no communism. Nothing Keyes says here is accurate or remotely sane.
 
Boo Radley said:
Well, the birther stuff is a good start, but frankly all of it. America is going to cease to exist? That's incredible hyperbole. And Obama is no communism. Nothing Keyes says here is accurate or remotely sane.
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Until you wake up one morning and say to yourself, 'How'd we get here?' :shock:


j-mac
 
j-mac said:
Until you wake up one morning and say to yourself, 'How'd we get here?' :shock:


j-mac
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You mean like when we work up and found we invaded countries on a pretext, tortured people, and acted liek imperalist dogs? Already has happened.

But, your hyperbole doesn't make Keyes' hyperbole any more accurate.
 
The Prof said:
while massively expanding the already overly strained, overly depended upon safety net, obamacare CUTS medicare funding by HALF A TRILLION dollars

McCain Loses Bid to Drop Health Bill's Medicare Cuts

is THAT spin?

are the 1099's, the individual mandate, the obligation bankrolled on already bankrupt states to absorb TWELVE MILLION more americans into medicaid (the ghetto of health care) with NO federal backing, the INCREASED traffic thru er's, the difficulties in finding a doctor?

the pre existers, the portability, the keeping kids til they're 26---these are good ideas, we oughta keep em

the rest has gotta go

1/4 of DEMOCRATS have come to see

POLL: Dislike of healthcare law crosses party lines, 1 in 4 Dems want repeal - TheHill.com

is that spin?
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Only if you have a D after your name.
 
The Prof said:
while massively expanding the already overly strained, overly depended upon safety net, obamacare CUTS medicare funding by HALF A TRILLION dollars

McCain Loses Bid to Drop Health Bill's Medicare Cuts

is THAT spin?

are the 1099's, the individual mandate, the obligation bankrolled on already bankrupt states to absorb TWELVE MILLION more americans into medicaid (the ghetto of health care) with NO federal backing, the INCREASED traffic thru er's, the difficulties in finding a doctor?

the pre existers, the portability, the keeping kids til they're 26---these are good ideas, we oughta keep em

the rest has gotta go

1/4 of DEMOCRATS have come to see

POLL: Dislike of healthcare law crosses party lines, 1 in 4 Dems want repeal - TheHill.com

is that spin?
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In a sense, yes. Most people like the things in the bill. They want insurance copanies to not be allowed to deny a person with a pre-existing condition, for example. So, ignoring this, and how such wants play to the whole bill, is a compenent of spin.
 
Boo Radley said:
In a sense, yes. Most people like the things in the bill. They want insurance copanies to not be allowed to deny a person with a pre-existing condition, for example. So, ignoring this, and how such wants play to the whole bill, is a compenent of spin.
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Where do you get your information?

Health Care Law - Rasmussen Reports™

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 55% of Likely U.S. Voters at least somewhat favor repeal of the new health care law. Only 39% oppose repeal. These figures include 41% who Strongly Favor repeal and 32% who are Strongly Opposed.
 
Boo Radley said:
You mean like when we work up and found we invaded countries on a pretext, tortured people, and acted liek imperalist dogs? Already has happened.

But, your hyperbole doesn't make Keyes' hyperbole any more accurate.
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:roll: here we go, listen Joe, it is 2010, not 2003 come on with me to the present, and stop using childish excuses for the actions of your unqualified President.


j-mac
 
j-mac said:
:roll: here we go, listen Joe, it is 2010, not 2003 come on with me to the present, and stop using childish excuses for the actions of your unqualified President.


j-mac
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No, you look, you made excuses for that reckless screw up, and then have the never to be this silly? It is an incredible sight to behold.

But nothing in Keyes' absolute nonsense has anything to do with Obama. It's prue fiction, requiring the listener to willing suspend disbelief to incredible lengths. If you want to actually discuss Obama's accomplishments and actual failures, i'm game. But no one can be taken seriously starting with Keyes' silliness.
 
Boo Radley said:
Most people like the things in the bill. They want insurance copanies (sic) to not (sic) be allowed to deny a person with a pre-existing condition, for example. So, ignoring this, and how such (sic) wants play to the whole bill, is a compenent (sic) of spin.
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sure, a PLURALITY of THIRTY FIVE % of americans, including ONE FOURTH of dems, want obamacare REPEALED because they LIKE what's in it

LOL!

POLL: Dislike of healthcare law crosses party lines, 1 in 4 Dems want repeal - TheHill.com

and that's NOT spin

UNDECIDEDS, by a MARGIN of 49 to 27, also favor REPEAL

do you appreciate the determining role UNDECIDEDS play on election day, when 1000 individual campaigns coast to coast will ultimately determine control of our legislatures?

in every poll you see, from PATTY MURRAY to gerald connolly in FAIRFAX COUNTY, you must, if you ever want to elevate your awareness to pro status, ASSUME that few of those who have NOT committed to the incumbent ultimately will

a ratio of one link for every 100 instantly conceived posts, products it appears almost of word association, does NOT substance make

think

link
 
ptif219 said:
Where do you get your information?

Health Care Law - Rasmussen Reports™

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 55% of Likely U.S. Voters at least somewhat favor repeal of the new health care law. Only 39% oppose repeal. These figures include 41% who Strongly Favor repeal and 32% who are Strongly Opposed.
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You did read what I wrote right? Your response doesn't sound like it. I said people support elements while not supporting the bill, a disconnect. Like this:

A Time Magazine-Abt SRBI poll in late July 2009 found that a large majority of Americans (80%) favored a requirement that insurance companies insure people even if they suffer from pre-existing conditions.[1]

In September 2009, the monthly Kaiser Health Tracking Poll report said:

The public’s most unanimous and bipartisan support is saved for a proposal to have the federal government require that health insurance companies cover anyone who applies, even if they have a pre-existing condition. Overall, eight in ten back the proposal, including 67 percent of Republicans, 80 percent of political independents and 88 percent of Democrats.[2]

Pre-existing condition - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://www.srbi.com/TimePoll4794_Final_ Report.pdf

That's the example I gave. Rasmussen is a complte view. Break it down into components, and I think you should see what I'm talking about.
 
The Prof said:
sure, a PLURALITY of THIRTY FIVE % of americans, including ONE FOURTH of dems, want obamacare REPEALED because they LIKE what's in it

LOL!

POLL: Dislike of healthcare law crosses party lines, 1 in 4 Dems want repeal - TheHill.com

and that's NOT spin

UNDECIDEDS, by a MARGIN of 49 to 27, also favor REPEAL

do you appreciate the determining role UNDECIDEDS play on election day, when 1000 individual campaigns coast to coast will ultimately determine control of our legislatures?

in every poll you see, from PATTY MURRAY to gerald connolly in FAIRFAX COUNTY, you must, if you ever want to elevate your awareness to pro status, ASSUME that few of those who have NOT committed to the incumbent ultimately will

a ratio of one link for every 100 instantly conceived posts, products it appears almost of word association, does NOT substance make

think

link
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No, because they've been hit with so much fear mongering and misinformation that they don't have a good picture. But test my theory, break it down in to parts and ask Rasmussen to ask about each component. I'll bet you I prove correct.
 
Boo Radley said:
In a sense, yes. Most people like the things in the bill. They want insurance copanies to not be allowed to deny a person with a pre-existing condition, for example. So, ignoring this, and how such wants play to the whole bill, is a compenent of spin.
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I was in the insurance biz for nearly 20 yrs and you can buy all the same kinds of coverages without obamacare.. simply by paying a higher premium... which is the end result of obamacare. So why should we allow the govt to force us to get something we can buy anyway. If you want any of the coverages that [you say are so wonderful] and imply are unique, simply find a good independent agent and he'll find an underwriter who will tailor your policy to what you want. You might not like the cost... but neither do the majority of americans who are paying for this farce of a law.
 
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