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Happy Meal Toys Endangered Species In San Francisco

hazlnut said:
Well, when they spend all their money going to Tea Party rallies...
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What does that have to do with the topic of the thread?
 
jamesrage said:
Unless you grew up in an environment with no parental authority figure you should have a pretty good idea how to handle children and if you forgot you can always ask your parents how did they handle this or that situation. Did your parents cave every time you nagged or pestered them for something?


I used to babysit my kid sisters and I occasionally babysit my nieces and nephew.

Not even comparable.Growing up as a child when you are not in school you are practically around your parents 24/7. So you know how they handled you. Even when you were at school you are around adults who handle children and they do not cave to nagging and pestering.
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So, essentially, you have almost no childcare experience yet you're perfectly ok with telling other people, who have MORE experience with it than you, that they're doing it wrong because it doesnt meet your meager experience? I know you dont have to be Steven Spielberg to tell someone a movie sucked, but it helps if you've seen more than a handful movies.

And yes, I am harping on this point because it's important.
 
theangryamerican said:
Happy Meal Toys Endangered Species In San Francisco

Oh, those wacky Californians, conditioning children at an early age that it's ok for the governement to tell you what to eat. :shock:
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No, the Californians who ARE the government are telling McDonald's it's not OK to tell our children what to eat. Removing the often only incentive for a 4 year old to want to eat McDonald's is not a terrible thing.

If I offered a toy as incentive for a kid to come to my house and eat ****ty food and make his parents pay for it, that would be rediculous. Replace "I" with McDonald's, and you think its a shame they won't have that right anymore.
 
JakeFromWI said:
No, the Californians who ARE the government are telling McDonald's it's not OK to tell our children what to eat. Removing the often only incentive for a 4 year old to want to eat McDonald's is not a terrible thing.

If I offered a toy as incentive for a kid to come to my house and eat ****ty food and make his parents pay for it, that would be rediculous. Replace "I" with McDonald's, and you think its a shame they won't have that right anymore.
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To be completely fair, McDonalds is not violating any laws by offering a toy with their meal. As under-handed a move as it may be, it isnt illegal and they do have the room to do their business as they see fit unless voters decide otherwise.

Also, I'm not aware if this law targets other fast food chains (the vast majority offer toys with kid's meals), but a law that targets McDonalds and ONLY McDonalds seems a little lopsided.
 
Hoplite said:
To be completely fair, McDonalds is not violating any laws by offering a toy with their meal. As under-handed a move as it may be, it isnt illegal and they do have the room to do their business as they see fit unless voters decide otherwise.

Also, I'm not aware if this law targets other fast food chains (the vast majority offer toys with kid's meals), but a law that targets McDonalds and ONLY McDonalds seems a little lopsided.
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I'd almost agree with everything you said if it in fact were a law. But it is a proposed city ordinance, which means, well it's a city ordinance. Just like discresionary spending for a city to hire Cheap Trick to play at "Riverfront Rendezvous." Just like the proposal which told me I can't smoke, or if i want to it will cost an arm and a leg. Just like your grass must be between 1 and 3 inches and of respectable green hue.

I might disagree with governments role in those issues, but they are all dumb city/state rules. This one is too. Sensible, and nothing really morally wrong with it I suppose. Simply unfair to McDonald's. Oh well. I can't own a strip club in my town. At least McD's gets a place to sell food...

Basically any liberty or rights violation cryers should please explain to me why exactly I'm not allowed to smoke pot.
 
zimmer said:
Farking busy bodies. If I were running McD's, I'd make a HUGE Happy Meal campaign in the SF area right now. Shove it right down these jerks throats.

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Hell yeah! Bring back Joe Camel too!
 
LOL - they need to start packaging the toys with the adult meals :) THAT would be genius.

"A #1 with a large Dr Pepper and fries, please"
". . . for a boy or a girl?"

Straight up - I'd go for that. . . I dig it when they give away the glasses and occasional adult-collectible.
 
JakeFromWI said:
No, the Californians who ARE the government are telling McDonald's it's not OK to tell our children what to eat. Removing the often only incentive for a 4 year old to want to eat McDonald's is not a terrible thing.

If I offered a toy as incentive for a kid to come to my house and eat ****ty food and make his parents pay for it, that would be rediculous. Replace "I" with McDonald's, and you think its a shame they won't have that right anymore.
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Right, and Gamestop shouldn't be able to sell video games either, because kids will sit around and get fat playing them!

Regulation is always a great substitute for responsible parenting, amiright!
 
Hoplite said:
So, essentially, you have almost no childcare experience yet you're perfectly ok with telling other people, who have MORE experience with it than you, that they're doing it wrong because it doesnt meet your meager experience?
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So now its I do not have enough experience?

I am sure that you will avoid answering this question that I have already asked more than once but I will ask again. Are you saying your parents caved into your demands when ever you pestered or nagged them for something after they told you no?



I know you dont have to be Steven Spielberg to tell someone a movie sucked, but it helps if you've seen more than a handful movies.
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I think you are you are just trying to excuse lousy parenting. Lousy parents do not know how to tell their kids no and do not punish their children when they keep pestering or nagging. If you punish kids for pestering and nagging after being told no they will stop pestering and nagging. Its how you get a child to stop doing any undesirable behavior. You have to be an authoritarian when it comes to kids.


And yes, I am harping on this point because it's important.
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The difference between your Spielburg rant is that unlike someone who not seen all of Spielberg's movies and making a criticism is that anybody has grown up around a parental figure all their life knows how their parental figure has punished them when they did something wrong. So these analogies you keep bringing up are pointless and unrelated. If your parents were great parents then you just have to do what they did when they raised you.
 
jamesrage said:
So now its I do not have enough experience?

I am sure that you will avoid answering this question that I have already asked more than once but I will ask again. Are you saying your parents caved into your demands when ever you pestered or nagged them for something after they told you no?
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Some times yes sometimes no. This is about more than lousy parenting though.

But while obesity may not be the Black Death, it is a severe public health crisis. Experts agree that as more and more obese children become obese adults, the diseases associated with obesity, such as heart disease, cancer, and especially diabetes will surge. That will mean a lot of sick people.

According to Marion Nestle, PhD, MPH, chair of the department of nutrition and food studies at New York University, the costs of these illnesses will be "astronomical."

http://www.webmd.com/diet/features/obesity-epidemic-astronomical
 
winston53660 said:
Some times yes sometimes no. This is about more than lousy parenting though.

But while obesity may not be the Black Death, it is a severe public health crisis. Experts agree that as more and more obese children become obese adults, the diseases associated with obesity, such as heart disease, cancer, and especially diabetes will surge. That will mean a lot of sick people.

According to Marion Nestle, PhD, MPH, chair of the department of nutrition and food studies at New York University, the costs of these illnesses will be "astronomical."

Obesity Epidemic "Astronomical"
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How can you blame the parents when they are following the nutritional guidelines set down by the federal government? Nutritional guidelines that are the result of a flawed study in the early 70's.
 
I guess McDonalds will just have to get by on the quality of their food :lol:

However, I don't see what the big deal is here. If a small town decides they want a standard (as opposed to the federal government), I don't see what the fuss is about, especially given the large number of people here who want these sorts of decisions made at the local level.
 
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Aunt Spiker said:
LOL - they need to start packaging the toys with the adult meals :) THAT would be genius.

"A #1 with a large Dr Pepper and fries, please"
". . . for a boy or a girl?"

Straight up - I'd go for that. . . I dig it when they give away the glasses and occasional adult-collectible.
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I've bought happy meals before for myself because I wanted the toy. :3oops:
 
The_Patriot said:
How can you blame the parents when they are following the nutritional guidelines set down by the federal government? Nutritional guidelines that are the result of a flawed study in the early 70's.
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Errr I did not blame the parents though I do think they share in the responsibility. And what study are you talking about. On a quick google I found out that dietary guidelines are updated every 5 years. That is over 30 years of revisions.
 
The_Patriot said:
How can you blame the parents when they are following the nutritional guidelines set down by the federal government? Nutritional guidelines that are the result of a flawed study in the early 70's.
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Who the **** follows federal nutritional guidlines? It's easy to blame parents for doing that. Because they CHOOSE to do it. There's tons of information out there and it doesn't take a brain surgeon to know that McDonalds is unhealthy food and sitting on the couch isn't exercise. If a kid is morbidly obese, they didn't start that way. They gained weight gradually, something a parent would notice. My sis noticed my niece gaining wieght the last few months and looking pudgier. She enrolled her in karate classes to get her more exercise. So yeah, the parents play a huge, HUGE role in the health of their child. McDonalds is not to blame, not in any way, shape, or form.
 
winston53660 said:
Errr I did not blame the parents though I do think they share in the responsibility. And what study are you talking about. On a quick google I found out that dietary guidelines are updated every 5 years. That is over 30 years of revisions.
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By the 1970's, there was a growing body of research relating overconsumption of certain dietary components--such as fat, saturated fat, cholesterol, and sodium--and the risk of some chronic diseases, such as heart disease and stroke.

A new direction for dietary guidance was set in 1977 with the release of the Dietary Goals for the United States by the U.S. Senate Select Committee on Nutrition and Human Needs, popularly known as the "McGovern Committee" (28). The Dietary Goals shifted the focus from obtaining adequate amounts of vitamins and minerals to avoiding excessive intakes of food components that had been linked to chronic diseases.
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The study was flawed because the scientist didn't run the statistics in both directions. He used as a basis the diets of Japanese people for a low fat diet, but didn't account for the effects of what a low fat diet does without the proper intake of other types of food. This is why we eat a low fat and high carb diet. A low fat, high carb diet leads to obesity since carbs are sugars. The Japanese eat a low fat, low carb diet with more protiens. The scientist recommended using half of the Japanese diet of low fat, but increased the amount of carbs.
 
rivrrat said:
Who the **** follows federal nutritional guidlines? It's easy to blame parents for doing that. Because they CHOOSE to do it. There's tons of information out there and it doesn't take a brain surgeon to know that McDonalds is unhealthy food and sitting on the couch isn't exercise. If a kid is morbidly obese, they didn't start that way. They gained weight gradually, something a parent would notice. My sis noticed my niece gaining wieght the last few months and looking pudgier. She enrolled her in karate classes to get her more exercise. So yeah, the parents play a huge, HUGE role in the health of their child. McDonalds is not to blame, not in any way, shape, or form.
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All of our prepackaged food follows the federal guidelines. The fault lies with the government and the companies that put in HFCS into a low fat, high carb diet. Carbs are a sugar and combined with HFCS it is a double whammy effect. Add in the fact that HFCS doesn't trigger the brain's I'm full response, people overeat because their bodies do not know when to stop eating. No signal means that their brain is telling them that they aren't getting enough food.
 
rivrrat said:
And whose fault is it for buying and cooking pre-packaged food?
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It's irresponsible to blame the parents for it, since HFCS is in almost every prepackaged food you buy from bread to cereal. In order to make sure you don't consume HFCS means that you have to spend a lot of time and money making all of the prepackaged foods from scratch. This includes bread and other staples. With the amount of taxes people pay, families have to have both parents working, so there isn't a lot of time nor money to go around.
 
megaprogman said:
I guess McDonalds will just have to get by on the quality of their food :lol:

However, I don't see what the big deal is here. If a small town decides they want a standard (as opposed to the federal government), I don't see what the fuss is about, especially given the large number of people here who want these sorts of decisions made at the local level.
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You might laugh, but McDonald's is seen as quality food in places like Poland. Hell, it's about the only place you can get a decent salad.

The government food guidelines are responsible for far, far, far more damage than McDonald's. Their food pyramid was a travesty.

If toys are a problem, they have to go after every type of food producer... not just McDonald's.

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The_Patriot said:
It's irresponsible to blame the parents for it, since HFCS is in almost every prepackaged food you buy from bread to cereal. In order to make sure you don't consume HFCS means that you have to spend a lot of time and money making all of the prepackaged foods from scratch. This includes bread and other staples. With the amount of taxes people pay, families have to have both parents working, so there isn't a lot of time nor money to go around.
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It doesn't take a lot of time or money not to eat pre-packaged foods. Pre-packaged foods are more expensive than making it yourself. It also doesn't take a lot of time to read labels if you feel you absolutely must buy some pre-packaged food. So no, it's not irresponsible to blame the parents for what they choose to buy and feed their children. It is their fault and their fault alone.
 
rivrrat said:
It doesn't take a lot of time or money not to eat pre-packaged foods. Pre-packaged foods are more expensive than making it yourself. It also doesn't take a lot of time to read labels if you feel you absolutely must buy some pre-packaged food. So no, it's not irresponsible to blame the parents for what they choose to buy and feed their children. It is their fault and their fault alone.
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Prepackaged foods are every food that you buy that isn't in raw form. How long does it take to make a single loaf of bread? I can tell you that it takes four to five hours. If you want condiments like ketchup, mustard, etc... without HFCS you're looking at several days of preparation. Let's not forget about making pickles etc... Those also take several days.
 
The_Patriot said:
Prepackaged foods are every food that you buy that isn't in raw form. How long does it take to make a single loaf of bread? I can tell you that it takes four to five hours. If you want condiments like ketchup, mustard, etc... without HFCS you're looking at several days of preparation. Let's not forget about making pickles etc... Those also take several days.
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LMFAO First off, one doesn't need to elimnate HFCS from their diets entirely. Everything in moderation. Secondly, making ketchup and mustard is stupid easy. Third, extremely easy to buy bread locally made without preservatives and other additives from a bakery. Fourth, if you make your own bread, you need not stand there for 4 - 5 hours. The actually labor time is only minutes in different segments. Fifth, if you do make your own bread, you need only do so every few days. Hell, make a bunch of dough and freeze it. Thaw and bake when you need it. Easy peasy. Also, you can make dough and keep it in the fridge for days, taking out only handfuls to bake for a meal.

So yeah, not really all that difficult.
 
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