• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Meg Whitman Refutes Allegations by Former Housekeeper

Actually TMZ has the documents and have posted them showing that the maid did provide an I9, W4, SSN card and drivers license. Basically, you have a maid that, apparently lied about her imigration status, committed identity theft and, when the maid finally came clean, was fired. After being fired, and apparently for political reasons, she went to Allred (who has a history of this) and filed a complaint.
This has probably been said many times in this thread, but it bears repeating. Illegal aliens can and do get LEGAL tax ID numbers. Nicky was required by the housekeeper's agency that placed her to get a tax ID number. A tax ID number is not a SS number or proof of citizenship, but it serves as a SS so the individual can pay taxes and get tax refunds from the IRS. The IRS's only concern is taxes and not immigration or the legal status of the individual. Read......

IRS issues ITINs to foreign nationals and others who have federal tax reporting or filing requirements and do not qualify for SSNs. A non-resident alien individual not eligible for a SSN who is required to file a U.S. tax return only to claim a refund of tax under the provisions of a U.S. tax treaty needs an ITIN.

Other examples of individuals who need ITINs include:
• A nonresident alien required to file a U.S. tax return
• A U.S. resident alien (based on days present in the United States) filing a U.S. tax return
• A dependent or spouse of a U.S. citizen/resident alien
• A dependent or spouse of a nonresident alien visa holder

General ITIN Information
 
Last edited:
This has probably been said many times in this thread, but it bears repeating. Illegal aliens can and do get LEGAL tax ID numbers. Nicky was required by the housekeeper's agency that placed her to get a tax ID number. A tax ID number is not a SS number or proof of citizenship, but it serves as a SS so the individual can pay taxes and get tax refunds from the IRS. The IRS's only concern is taxes and not immigration or the legal status of the individual. Read......
It seems odd to me that on the one hand, it would be illegal for person X to be in the country, but on the other hand, the IRS would be perfectly fine with collecting taxes from them, and having info on them (in the form of whatever info is necessary for these "ITINs" you mention).
 
LOL That's almost as good as this ad. There's nothing better than an endorsement from your opponent.....

Great, I don't like Whitman either, berate her all you want. These at least are good arguments against voting for her as opposed to the whole housekeeper nonsense.
 
This has probably been said many times in this thread, but it bears repeating. Illegal aliens can and do get LEGAL tax ID numbers. Nicky was required by the housekeeper's agency that placed her to get a tax ID number. A tax ID number is not a SS number or proof of citizenship, but it serves as a SS so the individual can pay taxes and get tax refunds from the IRS. The IRS's only concern is taxes and not immigration or the legal status of the individual. Read......

It's a moot point, pardon the pun. She forged a SSN, and that does require legal residence.
 
Great, I don't like Whitman either, berate her all you want. These at least are good arguments against voting for her as opposed to the whole housekeeper nonsense.

OMG!! That Jerry Brown interview was TERRIBLE!! I usually support the Democratic party and can say I'm honestly embarrassed by that lol. That has to be the most damaging video clip of a candidate I've ever seen. That one comparing Arnold to Whitman is good too. We are screwed either way!!
 
Not to mention she stabbed you in your cold, dark heart, bitch.
I bet it breaks her heart that EBAY is sending jobs to China and helping to build the Chinese army, too.
 
I bet it breaks her heart that EBAY is sending jobs to China and helping to build the Chinese army, too.


Do you believe that more companies will stay in America when their taxes go up further?


j-mac
 
Not to mention she stabbed you in your cold, dark heart, bitch.

Who can blame her after all of the trouble she has caused her?
 
I bet it breaks her heart that EBAY is sending jobs to China and helping to build the Chinese army, too.

Sorry to break it to you, but companies aren't charities. This is why I have no problem with Fiorina sending jobs to China either. They want to increase their profits, and in the end it gives us lower prices. The employer benefits and consumers benefit. Only employees lose and they can find another job. The increasingly specialized division of labor is a good thing.
 
I don't live in CA, and frankly, don't care who their governor is. Their state is a mess, and they keep voting into power the individuals that made it that way.
I knew that you didn't live in CA - you just took Meg's side because she happens to be the Republican and most Reps/cons don't care what their candidates do, as long as they are Reps they will defend and vote for them. The state is a mess, but guess what, they have a Republican Governor, so you are the one that wants the same individuals that turned it into a mess and keep voting for them. Even Meg Whitman, admits that Brown was doing such a good job - why she came to California. Are you going to refute her?





However, you still haven't answered - Meg paid the maid $23.00 per hour and, according to those directly invovled, all applicable taxes. I guess it's possible they just forgot to ask you for the facts of the case, but I doubt it. So, how did Meg profit from the endeavor of hiring a known illegal? Don't you think Meg would pay her less and probably skip on the whole "paying taxes" thing? Or do you think that meg knowingly hires illegals and pays full salary just for fun?
Like I told you before, I guess it went over your head. I know that you claim that Nicky paid her taxes and so did Whitman, but that has not been verified by IRS, so until it is, it is a moot point. If Meg Whitman was thoroughly convinced that Nicky was legal, why didn't she sign the form acknowledging that she was sure Nicky was legal. The suit charges that Whitman didn't pay Nicky all the hours due her, as well as mileage, and it hasn't gone to court yet. For Reps/cons to keep ascertaining that Meg Whitman is innocent is sheer assumption.
 
Facts are releveant in this type of discussion. California derserves space cadet Brown. How fitting if he wins and they legalizr pot the same day!

Yeah, like the fact that the current Governor is a Republican? That even Meg Whitman endorses Jerry Brown!





Legalizing pot will save the country billions of dollars spent trying to stop pot from coming into the country illegally. How dumb is that? And people who want to use pot will continue to use it whether legal or not, so not capitalizing on it seems odd to me since most Reps/cons are all in favor of Capitalism!
 
If she knew she was illegal then why would she ask for a SSN, driver's license, the word of the employment agency, etc.? Why go through all of that for someone you know is illegal? Your story makes no sense.

Are you feigning ignorance like Whitman? Of course Whitman would ask for all those things, she was trying to protect herself from the gitgo. It's all a farce. The employee says he's legal, the employer pretends she believes the employee. She's dumb, but not that dumb.

She did everything that the law requires!
No, she didn't. Why you keep insisting on that is beyond me.

1. She didn't sign the I-9 card claiming that she was positive that Nicky Diaz was legal.
2. She didn't respond to the SSA letter advising her there was a mismatch with the SSN, a tipoff that something is not right.

If a con artist gets $500 from you and then uses equipment that he purchased with that money to rob a bank, are you an accessory to robbery?

Your analogy doesn't even make sense. Stick to the facts instead of making up analogies that don't even relate to the issue at hand.
Of course not! If you had no way of knowing, then how can you be at fault?
That is so inane. What you are claiming is that there is no way of identifying illegals. Well, the country is in deep kimchi if that is the case. If all they have to do is present SSNs and fake driver's licenses, we are in trouble because they have been doing that for a long time. It is the employer's responsibility to find out - the government has even provided a free service through E-verify - why they don't use it just shows that they know but rather ignore the law. Then, they join the group that claims to be against illegals coming into the US and getting jobs. What a sham!
 
I bet it breaks her heart that EBAY is sending jobs to China and helping to build the Chinese army, too.

Ebay helping the chinese army? By selling them used toys.
 
Not to mention she stabbed you in your cold, dark heart, bitch.

Do you think someone here illegally and who lied on a federal form should be doported or not. Simple question.
 
Sad, sad state of affairs when all demo's have these days are personal smears, and conspiracy theory.


j-mac

Yeah, and the Reps/cons have resorted to physical violence, as in the Rand Paul case where his Campaign chairman, Profitt stomps on a woman's head? And then there is the man that was knocked down to the ground by deputies, for simply attending Republian Cantor's event. And the Tea Partiers at Joe Miller's parade in Alaska, all packing their assault weapons?
Supporters Of Palin-Backed Senate Candidate In Alaska Parade With Guns (VIDEO) | TPMDC

Tea Partiers and complacent Republicans are turning this country into a third-world banana republic. A jack-boot, brown shirt, tea drinking mentality. Way to go, Reps!
 
She is not her son. Furthermore, she did everything that the law required in the situation. What else do you want from her?

I've already pointed out the things she didn't do. Why do you keep spewing lies. If you are trying to fetter out the truth, why don't you start with yourself.

She didn't sign the I-9 form.
She didn't investigate the SSA letter sent to her about mismatched SSNs.

Quit lying.
 
Do you think someone here illegally and who lied on a federal form should be doported or not. Simple question.

She should have been deported long before now. Meg Whitman should have investigated her and when she found out she was illegal, she should have reported her.

She did neither. Meg Whitman is just as guilty, plus a hypocrite.
 
Actually TMZ has the documents and have posted them showing that the maid did provide an I9, W4, SSN card and drivers license. Basically, you have a maid that, apparently lied about her imigration status, committed identity theft and, when the maid finally came clean, was fired. After being fired, and apparently for political reasons, she went to Allred (who has a history of this) and filed a complaint.

And if Whitman was a woman of her word, she should have reported Diaz when she found out she was illegal. That she didn't just shows that she is not as tough as she claims to be and would be on illegals if she is elected. All that hoopla about how she will hold employers accountable for hiring illegals is just a lot of hogwash!
 
Sorry to break it to you, but companies aren't charities. This is why I have no problem with Fiorina sending jobs to China either. They want to increase their profits, and in the end it gives us lower prices. The employer benefits and consumers benefit. Only employees lose and they can find another job. The increasingly specialized division of labor is a good thing.

Wow! Continue sending all our jobs to China - eventually nobody in the US will have a job and the country can join other third-world countries - that is the most absurd thing I've ever heard.

We're for building America into a healthier country, sending jobs overseas is not the way to do it. We might as well let illegals come in and do the jobs here in the US for less. What's the difference?
 
Do you believe that more companies will stay in America when their taxes go up further?


j-mac
Companies just want cheap labor, period. Taxes are just an excuse to get morons to vote in the corporations favor and against their own best interest, which is jobs and healthcare. So unless you're an elitist billionaire, voting Republican is like driving backwards with your eyes closed.
 
Last edited:
Sorry to break it to you, but companies aren't charities. This is why I have no problem with Fiorina sending jobs to China either. They want to increase their profits, and in the end it gives us lower prices. The employer benefits and consumers benefit. Only employees lose and they can find another job. The increasingly specialized division of labor is a good thing.
Yeah, there's plenty of jobs picking lettuce. Go for it.
 
Back
Top Bottom