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Census finds record gap between rich and poor

ender1 said:
and for you

What’s the difference between a lawyer and a catfish?

One is a slimy, bottom dwelling, scum sucker. The other is a fish.
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Lots of lawyers are scum suckers

many of them are democrats or claim to be "civil libertarians"

what do you claim for a trade

and btw that post of yours sort of establishes that you have lost

I cannot help it if you post crap that is contrary to libertarian thought

its like the clowns who claim they are libertarians but support massive tax hikes or gun bans

its like claiming to be a Roman Catholic and denying papal supremacy or the Trinity.
 
TurtleDude said:
Lots of lawyers are scum suckers

many of them are democrats or claim to be "civil libertarians"

what do you claim for a trade

and btw that post of yours sort of establishes that you have lost

I cannot help it if you post crap that is contrary to libertarian thought

its like the clowns who claim they are libertarians but support massive tax hikes or gun bans

its like claiming to be a Roman Catholic and denying papal supremacy or the Trinity.
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Please find one post where I support gun bans. I own many guns including an 8 gauge. I also said I beleive that tax increases will happen not that I wanted them to. I in fact said may times I did not want taxes to go up and that the issue is more on the spending. I challenged anyone to find another way to pay our massive debt. You were the only one to come up with an alternative and that plan I disagree with just as much. You just sound bitter and looking for a fight on this issue where there is non.

Non of that goes against Libertarian ideas.
Trinity was my fav character in The Metrix.
 
ender1 said:
Please find one post where I support gun bans. I own many guns including an 8 gauge. I also said I beleive that tax increases will happen not that I wanted them to. I in fact said may times I did not want taxes to go up and that the issue is more on the spending. I challenged anyone to find another way to pay our massive debt. You were the only one to come up with an alternative and that plan I disagree with just as much. You just sound bitter and looking for a fight on this issue where there is non.

Non of that goes against Libertarian ideas.
Trinity was my fav character in The Metrix.
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was I referring to you specifically? try again
 
TurtleDude said:
was I referring to you specifically? try again
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You made that statment in a post reply to me.

It hurt my feelings Turtle. Im serious, tears were being held back.
 
ender1 said:
and for you

What’s the difference between a lawyer and a catfish?

One is a slimy, bottom dwelling, scum sucker. The other is a fish.
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A guy called up his attorney one day and the secretary answered. "I'd like to speak with my lawyer," the man said. "I'm sorry," the secretary said, "but he passed away last night."

"Oh," the guy said, then hung up the phone. A few minutes later the same guy called back and asked to speak to his lawyer. "Uh, I'm sorry," the secretary replied, "he's dead." So the guy hung up.

A few minutes later the same guy called up again and asked to speak to his lawyer. The secretary, fed up, said, "Why do you keep calling? I already told you he's dead!"

"I know," the guy said, "I just love hearing it so much!"
 
ender1 said:
You made that statment in a post reply to me.

It hurt my feelings Turtle. Im serious, tears were being held back.
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I will book you an appointment with Dr R. Lee Emery, Psychologist
 
Guy Incognito said:
A guy called up his attorney one day and the secretary answered. "I'd like to speak with my lawyer," the man said. "I'm sorry," the secretary said, "but he passed away last night."

"Oh," the guy said, then hung up the phone. A few minutes later the same guy called back and asked to speak to his lawyer. "Uh, I'm sorry," the secretary replied, "he's dead." So the guy hung up.

A few minutes later the same guy called up again and asked to speak to his lawyer. The secretary, fed up, said, "Why do you keep calling? I already told you he's dead!"

"I know," the guy said, "I just love hearing it so much!"
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I will send that joke to your court appointed defense counsel when the grand jury indicts you for impersonating a libertarian
 
TurtleDude said:
I will send that joke to your court appointed defense counsel when the grand jury indicts you for impersonating a libertarian
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Lawyers usually have a sense of humor about lawyer jokes. Of course, apparently there are exceptions.
 
Guy Incognito said:
Lawyers usually have a sense of humor about lawyer jokes. Of course, apparently there are exceptions.
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they were funny the first 300 times I heard or read them

but in your case I doubt humor was the intent. pray tell your trade
 
TurtleDude said:
I never make stuff up. you ought to try following my lead sometime.
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So, if it wasn't ender, there must be a libertarian who supports gun bans that you actually were referring to?
 
Guy Incognito said:
Hey that's cool, but somehow I think my jokes go over your head :shrug:
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Only if I took up scuba diving but due to sinus issues, that won't happen.

Later dude
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Irony coming from a "left" libertarian... no? :lol:
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I've never heard of a "left" libertarian before. Is that like a liberal progressive libertarian? Those words just don't work together ... sort of like a Catholic aethiest, or a anti-Capital Punishment Executioner.
 
TurtleDude said:
I do respond honestly, you haven't been around long enough to see that.
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Then why do you constantly spit out nonsense about people being motivated by envy instead of addressing their arguments? It seems like you've decided you can't argue with some of the points I'm making, so you just have to invalidate me as a person. If you sincerely believed in your position, you could argue it - but you've chosen instead to attack everyone who criticizes it, and that's not impressive. It's the attitude of someone defending besieged religious beliefs, not someone with a realistic, common-sense political position.

TurtleDude said:
Taxes should be amoral.
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They're not. One way or another, tax policies affect the lives and livelihoods of human beings, and there is intrinsic moral content in such decisions. You cannot remove that moral content by ignoring it - all you can do is respect or violate it.

TurtleDude said:
I don't have a duty to fund your existence and you have no moral right to my wealth
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Then "Go Galt" and prove it - show America that you don't need it.

TurtleDude said:
your existence benefits me not
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E pluribus unum. If you're not with that, feel free to leave anytime.

phattonez said:
We are horrific when it comes to our tax code.
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Absolutely - it's riddled with loopholes that under some circumstances allow the wealthy to pay less than their own employees. We subsidize polluters, and pay the corn industry to give children diabetes with below-market HFCs. We now permit the accumulation of dynastic inter-generational wealth, courtesy of Republican priorities.

phattonez said:
The top 1% is not a permanent, ruling class.
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Not yet, but the trends are not encouraging.

phattonez said:
People EARN income, it is not DISTRIBUTED.
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In a de-unionized economy where terms of employment are virtually dictated by employers, people get whatever their masters feel like giving them. It very much is distributed - the only difference is that now it's distributed to top-level executives. Employment is increasingly monopsonized. It begins to bear disturbing resemblances to manorialism.
 
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Troubadour said:
Then why do you constantly spit out nonsense about people being motivated by envy instead of addressing their arguments? It seems like you've decided you can't argue with some of the points I'm making, so you just have to invalidate me as a person. If you sincerely believed in your position, you could argue it - but you've chosen instead to attack everyone who criticizes it, and that's not impressive. It's the attitude of someone defending besieged religious beliefs, not someone with a realistic, common-sense political position.



They're not. One way or another, tax policies affect the lives and livelihoods of human beings, and there is intrinsic moral content in such decisions. You cannot remove that moral content by ignoring it - all you can do is respect or violate it.



Then "Go Galt" and prove it - show America that you don't need it.



E pluribus unum. If you're not with that, feel free to leave anytime.



Absolutely - it's riddled with loopholes that under some circumstances allow the wealthy to pay less than their own employees. We subsidize polluters, and pay the corn industry to give children diabetes with below-market HFCs. We now permit the accumulation of dynastic inter-generational wealth, courtesy of Republican priorities.



Not yet, but the trends are not encouraging.



In a de-unionized economy where terms of employment are virtually dictated by employers, people get whatever their masters feel like giving them. It very much is distributed - the only difference is that now it's distributed to top-level executives. Employment is increasingly monopsonized. It begins to bear disturbing resemblances to manorialism.
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How about investing your own money, start your own business so you can pay employees what those employees think they are worth?
 
Conservative said:
How about investing your own money, start your own business so you can pay employees what those employees think they are worth?
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How about starting your own country, so you can let a handful of unelected oligarchs boss around its people, use its resources and institutions as they please, and only pay in taxes what they feel like giving back? America is a country, first and foremost, and its economy exists to serve its people - not the other way around.
 
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Troubadour said:
How about starting your own country, so you can let a handful of unelected oligarchs boss around its people, use its resources and institutions as they please, and only pay in taxes what they feel like giving back? America is a country, first and foremost, and its economy exists to serve its people - not the other way around.
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Troubadour said:
How about starting your own country, so you can let a handful of unelected oligarchs boss around its people, use its resources and institutions as they please, and only pay in taxes what they feel like giving back? America is a country, first and foremost, and its economy exists to serve its people - not the other way around.
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Brilliant response, typical of someone who doesn't have a clue. Free enterprise and capitalism made this country great and the results are quite telling. Suggest get actual results instead of buying what you are told. Whoever is filling your head with bs is making you look foolish.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
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This is not rocket science: An economy is a system to benefit people, not a sacred vessel that emanates magic powers so long as no one touches it.

Conservative said:
Free enterprise and capitalism made this country great and the results are quite telling.
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Free enterprise and capitalism exist in every country where they're not actively suppressed, including those where private greed and public weakness has torn society to shreds. Our country is about something much more important than that. As to what made America great, I can think of a few things other than business - as apparently could the people who put their blood on the line to found it:

I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country. - Thomas Jefferson

Conservative said:
Suggest get actual results instead of buying what you are told. Whoever is filling your head with bs is making you look foolish.
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Conservatives often assume that everything they hear comes from somewhere else, perhaps because their own ideas are so rarely the product of independent thought. Well, rest assured, regardless of how your own politics comes about, everything you hear from me directly reflects my own thoughts and feelings. I don't claim to be totally original - everyone who does is just ignorant of history - but don't invent some shadow forces to account for my ideas simply because yours may have been received unquestioningly from talk radio or cable news. It's just us talking here: There is nobody to hold your hand while you flounder to defend the indefensible, and nobody is telling me what to say other than my own perceptions and intelligence. So stop trying to dodge the issues.
 
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