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Census finds record gap between rich and poor

I can't be sure, but it might have something to do with the fact that we take money from working people and give it to non-working people. We subsidize inefficiency at every level of government. We attempt to make being poor as comfortable as possible (at everyone else's expense) and then wonder WTF when their numbers increase. Is that big of a mystery?

You think being poor is comfortable.
 
You think being poor is comfortable.

Being poor in America is a lot different than other places in the world. I grew up poor. I didn't know any different and we did the best we could with what we had. I'm sure it was harder on my parents but we weren't kids running around naked with pot bellies and flies all over us collecting water from puddles.
 
Being poor in America is a lot different than other places in the world. I grew up poor. I didn't know any different and we did the best we could with what we had. I'm sure it was harder on my parents but we weren't kids running around naked with pot bellies and flies all over us collecting water from puddles.

So you rationalize that being poor is no big deal because they arnt naked and starving?
 
So you rationalize that being poor is no big deal because they arnt naked and starving?

As a libertarian, what is your solution to taking care of the poor and making the poor responsible for taking care of themselves?
 
So you rationalize that being poor is no big deal because they arnt naked and starving?

I rationalize being poor as a reality and that there will always be poor. I don't try to decieve myself about some utopia where there's no war, everyone's fed, everyone has houses and everyone has a fairy princess that grants them sandwiches and blow jobs whenever they please. I lived through it, prospered not at the cost of someone's sweat but my own. And as I said, being poor in America is upper middle class in many countries.
 
I rationalize being poor as a reality and that there will always be poor. I don't try to decieve myself about some utopia where there's no war, everyone's fed, everyone has houses and everyone has a fairy princess that grants them sandwiches and blow jobs whenever they please. I lived through it, prospered not at the cost of someone's sweat but my own. And as I said, being poor in America is upper middle class in many countries.

#1) We are not talking about other countries.
#2) Starting a war for no good reason is a problem
#3) Are you saying children dont go to bed hungry in this country
#4) How sure are you that eveyone has a house. Ever been in ones with dirt floors. I have and it sucks.
#5) Where can I get a fairy princess like that.

Are you actually trying to justify that one in seven americans is at the poverty level and thats ok because as long as they are not naked and starving we are better off than other counties.
 
As a libertarian, what is your solution to taking care of the poor and making the poor responsible for taking care of themselves?

If a Libertarian set the rules there would not be one in seven being poor because big business, government over spending, and fair traid would be kept in check. Not have a government whos policy is being set by the highest bidder.
 
#1) We are not talking about other countries.
One must compare and contrast to understand.
#2) Starting a war for no good reason is a problem
We're not talking about starting wars for no good reason.
#3) Are you saying children dont go to bed hungry in this country
I'm saying some children have always gone to sleep hungry in this world and nothing will change that.
#4) How sure are you that eveyone has a house. Ever been in ones with dirt floors. I have and it sucks.
If dirt floors is all people know, it doesn't suck. You think it sucks because you've lived in places without dirt floors. See how comparison and contrasting situations gives perspective and understanding?
#5) Where can I get a fairy princess like that.
Alas, they don't exist, just like utopia doesn't exist.

Are you actually trying to justify that one in seven americans is at the poverty level and thats ok because as long as they are not naked and starving we are better off than other counties.
I think I answered this twice already. If you didn't get it by now, you won't after I explain it for the third time. See post #880.
 
You think being poor is comfortable.

poor people in the USA today are far more comfortable than the top 1% were in the era of my grandfather.
 
If a Libertarian set the rules there would not be one in seven being poor because big business, government over spending, and fair traid would be kept in check. Not have a government whos policy is being set by the highest bidder.

an idiotic claim. less big business would mean everyone would be poorer. and since "poor" is based on income distribution (rather than the fact that the poor have luxuries today that top 1% people didn't have 30 years ago) there will always be plenty of poor even if poor means having a mercedes, and a plasma TV if the average person has 3 mercedes and three TVs
 
poor people in the USA today are far more comfortable than the top 1% were in the era of my grandfather.

Your grandfather lived on the galapanos so that does not count
 
If a Libertarian set the rules there would not be one in seven being poor because big business, government over spending, and fair traid would be kept in check. Not have a government whos policy is being set by the highest bidder.

LOL, yep, a good libertarian you are, personal responsibility is not an issue. Better change your political leanings.
 
LOL, yep, a good libertarian you are, personal responsibility is not an issue. Better change your political leanings.


So you are 100% in line with everything the conservative party does. If you are your a sheep.
 
poor people in the USA today are far more comfortable than the top 1% were in the era of my grandfather.

That is patently untrue! What are you basing this on, the fact that most poor people have a microwave and a tv these days? Rich people in your grandfather's era may not have had all the technological advances that the poor have today, but I guarantee you that had access to medical treatment whenever they needed it, which is a lot more than you can say for the American poor these days. Poor people these days might have all the fast food they can eat, but the rich from your grandfather's day were getting far more nutritious meals than any poor person is today. Shall I go on? I could do this all day.

This is the basic fallacy of trickle down theory, which is why it's been debunked so thoroughly.
 
So you are 100% in line with everything the conservative party does. If you are your a sheep.

Libertarians want to be left alone and believe in personal responsibility. You believe in neither.
 
an idiotic claim. less big business would mean everyone would be poorer. and since "poor" is based on income distribution (rather than the fact that the poor have luxuries today that top 1% people didn't have 30 years ago) there will always be plenty of poor even if poor means having a mercedes, and a plasma TV if the average person has 3 mercedes and three TVs

Not less business. MORE. Just not to big to fail like BOA.
 
Libertarians want to be left alone and believe in personal responsibility. You believe in neither.

Where have I said that I dont believe in personal responsibility?
 
If a Libertarian set the rules there would not be one in seven being poor because big business, government over spending, and fair traid would be kept in check. Not have a government whos policy is being set by the highest bidder.

Libertarians don't believe in rules
 
Where have I said that I dont believe in personal responsibility?

There are many poor people because of failure to accept personal responsibility not because they were demonized by big business, instead the demonized by their own govt. that keeps them dependent. Taking handouts from the American taxpayer isn't accepting personal responsibility. I worked with them, employed thousands, and brought many out of poverty. Business does that for individuals, not the govt.
 
Libertarians want to be left alone and believe in personal responsibility. You believe in neither.

Being "left alone" is a very shallow understanding of the basic libertarian principle of noncoercion. Libertarians aspire to a minimal government that respects the fundamental liberty of al people. So it's not just about being left along, but ensuring the right to be free from coercive practices for all people.

Ender is one of the few true libertarians on these boards.
 
Your grandfather lived on the galapanos so that does not count

that would be a tortoise my friend

we prefer ponds
 
Being "left alone" is a very shallow understanding of the basic libertarian principle of noncoercion. Libertarians aspire to a minimal government that respects the fundamental liberty of al people. So it's not just about being left along, but ensuring the right to be free from coercive practices for all people.

Ender is one of the few true libertarians on these boards.

he's sort of a libertarian who subordinates freedom to some extent. But he is close. You are no where near being a libertarian in the most well known definition. As I noted before, contrarian is the proper term for you and you certainly do not argue in favor of freedom
 
Libertarians don't believe in rules

I disagree-libertarians believe in laws that make real crime illegal-I have never met a libertarian who is against laws prohibiting murder, robbery forcible rape, breaking and entering, assault, or even slander illegal. its stuff like prostitution, smoking reefer that they oppose since those are really victimless crimes. I have never met a libertarian who wants to abolish all taxation either.
 
Being "left alone" is a very shallow understanding of the basic libertarian principle of noncoercion. Libertarians aspire to a minimal government that respects the fundamental liberty of al people. So it's not just about being left along, but ensuring the right to be free from coercive practices for all people.

Ender is one of the few true libertarians on these boards.

How does any true Libertarian believe that Obama is a better President than GW Bush? That flies in the face of the basic principles of being a Libertarian. Obama is a Libertarian nightmare, massive expansion of govt. and regulations.
 
Not less business. MORE. Just not to big to fail like BOA.

do you know that 80% of all diners or retaurants fail within the first year of their founding? big or little businesses can fail. hating big business reeks of ignorant populist nonsense. big business can be good or bad but its moronic to say all big business is bad
 
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